[trickytrevsfanclub]

Pensions, Pah most collapsed after that Shyster Gordon Brown did his massive tax raid on them. Oh sorry I forgot it's all the banks fault that the countries in such a state. Nothing to do with that incompetent buffoon.

[Skywalker]

metallilad, on 20 September 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

I'm not gonna change my views on this.
This is how I feel about Craig Davies, like I've stated on a previous thread this is a player who has never stayed in an area long enough to get a postcode.
My views are this:-
He is 25 years old and played at 11 different clubs which is more than 1 club for each year that he's worked as a proffesional footballer.
He's never really had success anywhere that he's played at apart from when he's played for JS.
If he was thinking about his career then he would have stayed here.
Personally I think he signed the one year deal in the hope that he could bang the goals in gaining recognition and get a better deal. Well it worked for him but I think that its a wrong way to be looking at things, why not sign a two year deal or even sign the initial one year deal then sign another one year deal with a minimum release clause in it. Evatt and Folan did it so why not Davies? £££££££ thats why, he would have not been able to walk away from us and get more money.
I'm not trying to turn you against him, you all have your own views I'm just trying to get my point across so you can see why I feel that the bloke is ruled by money.

All professional footballers want to play at the highest level they can – Davies is no different. Not only is he playing at a higher level he is earning more money. Why single him out when any other footballer would have done the same had they been in his position?

You talk about loyalty and give your own personal example of one where money is secondary. That’s all well and good if you have no desire to progress your career or if financially your content with what you have. Some people don’t want the responsibility and added stress that goes with moving to higher paid jobs and that again is down to personal preference. However, these rules don’t apply to professional footballers who are all career minded and realise they have a short window of opportunity to maximise their earnings.

[metallilad]

Skywalker, on 20 September 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

All professional footballers want to play at the highest level they can – Davies is no different. Not only is he playing at a higher level he is earning more money. Why single him out when any other footballer would have done the same had they been in his position?

You talk about loyalty and give your own personal example of one where money is secondary. That’s all well and good if you have no desire to progress your career or if financially your content with what you have. Some people don’t want the responsibility and added stress that goes with moving to higher paid jobs and that again is down to personal preference. However, these rules don’t apply to professional footballers who are all career minded and realise they have a short window of opportunity to maximise their earnings.

He's not career minded though. If he was then he'd stay and carry on scoring goals here which would have built up his stock even more. A career minded player doesn't move about to the extent that he has. How in the hell can you look at those stats and claim that he's career minded.
The reason why I've singled him out aswell is because his name cropped up in a previous post that prompted my reaction.

As for all this garbage about "a footballer's career being short so they have to earn all the money they can get". Are you saying that they are so thick that they can't do anything other than play football?

This post has been edited by metallilad: 20 September 2011 - 10:58 PM

[moondog]

metallilad, on 20 September 2011 - 10:53 PM, said:

He's not career minded though. If he was then he'd stay and carry on scoring goals here which would have built up his stock even more. A career minded player doesn't move about to the extent that he has. How in the hell can you look at those stats and claim that he's career minded.
The reason why I've singled him out aswell is because his name cropped up in a previous post that prompted my reaction.

As for all this garbage about "a footballer's career being short so they have to earn all the money they can get". Are you saying that they are so thick that they can't do anything other than play football?

Generally speaking players earn money by moving (signing on fee's etc) Craig had the belief he could carry his form into the championship, if he continued to score at the rate he did for us, that would get him a move to the premier league. I doubt he could live with himself if he'd not taken the opportunity.

The reality is many footballers during their career don't aquire the skills needed to earn a decent living in the real world Are you saying if you had the opportunity to earn enough to effectively retire at about 35 you wouldn't take it ?.

Incidentally it was Sheridan's decision to offer him just a year when signing, probably his biggest regret but understandable at the time

[jamie_bolsover]

Skywalker, on 20 September 2011 - 10:26 PM, said:

All professional footballers want to play at the highest level they can – Davies is no different. Not only is he playing at a higher level he is earning more money. Why single him out when any other footballer would have done the same had they been in his position?

You talk about loyalty and give your own personal example of one where money is secondary. That’s all well and good if you have no desire to progress your career or if financially your content with what you have. Some people don’t want the responsibility and added stress that goes with moving to higher paid jobs and that again is down to personal preference. However, these rules don’t apply to professional footballers who are all career minded and realise they have a short window of opportunity to maximise their earnings.

Agree, is Davies actually getting a game at Barnsley at moment, sure he hasnt even made the bench for the last three games???

[Town_Fan]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 20 September 2011 - 09:38 PM, said:

Pensions, Pah most collapsed after that Shyster Gordon Brown did his massive tax raid on them. Oh sorry I forgot it's all the banks fault that the countries in such a state. Nothing to do with that incompetent buffoon.

Spot on, I think Brown did some decent things with the economy (and plenty bad) but what he did to pensions was criminal.

[JonB]

jamie_bolsover, on 21 September 2011 - 08:21 AM, said:

Agree, is Davies actually getting a game at Barnsley at moment, sure he hasnt even made the bench for the last three games???

He's been injured i think.

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 20 September 2011 - 09:08 PM, said:

I'm not gonna change my views on this.
This is how I feel about Craig Davies, like I've stated on a previous thread this is a player who has never stayed in an area long enough to get a postcode.
My views are this:-
He is 25 years old and played at 11 different clubs which is more than 1 club for each year that he's worked as a proffesional footballer.
He's never really had success anywhere that he's played at apart from when he's played for JS.
If he was thinking about his career then he would have stayed here.
Personally I think he signed the one year deal in the hope that he could bang the goals in gaining recognition and get a better deal. Well it worked for him but I think that its a wrong way to be looking at things, why not sign a two year deal or even sign the initial one year deal then sign another one year deal with a minimum release clause in it. Evatt and Folan did it so why not Davies? £££££££ thats why, he would have not been able to walk away from us and get more money.
I'm not trying to turn you against him, you all have your own views I'm just trying to get my point across so you can see why I feel that the bloke is ruled by money.

Correct, and thats why he has to try and earn as much as possible as quieckly as possible. In 10 years time he will be unemployed

[isleaiw]

Town_Fan, on 21 September 2011 - 08:51 AM, said:

Spot on, I think Brown did some decent things with the economy (and plenty bad) but what he did to pensions was criminal.

I agree with two thirds of that - the bit on pensions, the plenty bad to the economy... I'm struggling for the decent things he did though....

Ian

[trickytrevsfanclub]

isleaiw, on 21 September 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

I agree with two thirds of that - the bit on pensions, the plenty bad to the economy... I'm struggling for the decent things he did though....

Ian

Yeah me to.

[Spireite Rob]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 21 September 2011 - 11:56 AM, said:

Yeah me to.

Did not realise this was the Tory board...must be on the wrong website

This post has been edited by Spireite Rob: 21 September 2011 - 01:10 PM

[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 21 September 2011 - 11:33 AM, said:

Correct, and thats why he has to try and earn as much as possible as quieckly as possible. In 10 years time he will be unemployed

So. What your saying is that he's too thick to realise that's gonna happen and aint gonna do anything about it. Meaning he's not gonna have an idea of what his future holds for him.
Surely it would be a bit naive of you to think that a footballer plays for X amount of years then never works after retiring from the game.

This post has been edited by metallilad: 21 September 2011 - 05:38 PM

[isleaiw]

Spireite Rob, on 21 September 2011 - 01:06 PM, said:

Did not realise this was the Tory board...must be on the wrong website

No its the apolitical "I'm sure i could do better than that idiot" board!

But CFC do play in BLUE....

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 21 September 2011 - 05:16 PM, said:

So. What your saying is that he's too thick to realise that's gonna happen and aint gonna do anything about it. Meaning he's not gonna have an idea of what his future holds for him.
Surely it would be a bit naive of you to think that a footballer plays for X amount of years then never works after retiring from the game.

Or CLEVER enough to realise if he maximes his income NOW he might not have to worry about his income in the future?

The extra £2k a week for 2 years, he could, if he looked around buy 2 houses for that, and rent them out. A good start for a future income stream.

But hey, thats not being loyal is it...better stay at Town for half the money and hope that when he is 35 his loyalty is rewarded by CFC with a coaching job eh?

Your trying to compare your own situation where you may have a well paid job for life to that where your career may be just 10 years. Thats just plain daft.

This post has been edited by Spinach chin: 22 September 2011 - 08:05 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

isleaiw, on 21 September 2011 - 11:39 AM, said:

I agree with two thirds of that - the bit on pensions, the plenty bad to the economy... I'm struggling for the decent things he did though....

Ian

I bet he wouldnt have awarded a train building contract to germany, laying off 1300 british workers in the process...............

[h again]

Spinach chin, on 22 September 2011 - 08:06 PM, said:

I bet he wouldnt have awarded a train building contract to germany, laying off 1300 british workers in the process...............

He drew up the terms of the contract.

If you want a plus, he reduced the taxation burden on small breweries.

[azul]

h again, on 22 September 2011 - 11:10 PM, said:

He drew up the terms of the contract.

If you want a plus, he reduced the taxation burden on small breweries.

Economic expert strikes!

Remind us about the inflation rate again?

[Wooden Spoon]

azul, on 22 September 2011 - 11:36 PM, said:

Economic expert strikes!

Remind us about the inflation rate again?

the man is an idiot

[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 22 September 2011 - 08:01 PM, said:

Or CLEVER enough to realise if he maximes his income NOW he might not have to worry about his income in the future?

The extra £2k a week for 2 years, he could, if he looked around buy 2 houses for that, and rent them out. A good start for a future income stream.

But hey, thats not being loyal is it...better stay at Town for half the money and hope that when he is 35 his loyalty is rewarded by CFC with a coaching job eh?

Your trying to compare your own situation where you may have a well paid job for life to that where your career may be just 10 years. Thats just plain daft.

Comparing him to me?
Another one thats not reading posts properly. He you read my posts again then you'll see that I posted up that he he stayed another season then I wouldn't have been bothered. Instead he adopted the love you and leave you approach.
Just have a read at them all again and come back with another argument in another 2 days time.

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 23 September 2011 - 02:43 PM, said:

Comparing him to me?
Another one thats not reading posts properly. He you read my posts again then you'll see that I posted up that he he stayed another season then I wouldn't have been bothered. Instead he adopted the love you and leave you approach.
Just have a read at them all again and come back with another argument in another 2 days time.

and I still say a footballer is perfectly entitled to make the most of a short career.

What loyalty did you show in your first job beforte you did your re training.? How utterly selfish of you, surely you could have given tham another year as a reward for thier loyalty?