[Odysseus]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Happy Clappers are not good for society, they accept the status quo, they do not feel worthy, they are unambitious, they don't push themselves, happy just to have a roof over their heads, meekly accept their fate in life, they are just grateful, paradise to them is cheap beer and overtime, happy at Skeg in the van, so what if their car is 15 years old, it gets them from A to B.



Remember the phrase " You've never had it so good?"
Its the favorite phrase of those who've never had it better.

What a truly absurd thing to say, to try and boil down the complexity of life, society, politics and personal aspirations into two simplistic phrases is a phenomenally idiotic thing to do. Try and remember this simple phrase in future, “engage brain before typing”, it could possibly save you from looking a fool and us from having to read such drivel. Please try and keep a sense of proportion, these are relatively minor arguments about football not “the secret to life the universe and everything”, which we all know the answer to is 42.

This post has been edited by Odysseus: 07 September 2011 - 10:35 AM

[isleaiw]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Happy Clappers are not good for society, they accept the status quo, they do not feel worthy, they are unambitious, they don't push themselves, happy just to have a roof over their heads, meekly accept their fate in life, they are just grateful, paradise to them is cheap beer and overtime, happy at Skeg in the van, so what if their car is 15 years old, it gets them from A to B.



Remember the phrase " You've never had it so good?"
Its the favorite phrase of those who've never had it better.

God, so that is where I am going wrong. I think you would view me as a happy clapper but I think I am normally seen as a grumpy buggar. Outside of this message board, and I would love a break in a 'van in skeggy. I'd also like a 15 year old Jag and cheap beer is also a bonus...especially if it is Doom Bar!

Mind you, I'm also a qualified Chartered Accountant, hold an MBA, run my own business, have 2 kids at uni and a roof over my head in Ashgate....

You have just proved that you are as idiotic as your views of the football club and therefore confirmed that I am happy to hold a different view..

But thanks for making sure we get a new striker, didnt realise the club only acted in response to your comments.

[Tora Tora Tora]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Happy Clappers are not good for society, they accept the status quo, they do not feel worthy, they are unambitious, they don't push themselves, happy just to have a roof over their heads, meekly accept their fate in life, they are just grateful, paradise to them is cheap beer and overtime, happy at Skeg in the van, so what if their car is 15 years old, it gets them from A to B.



Remember the phrase " You've never had it so good?"
Its the favorite phrase of those who've never had it better.

A poor attempt at generalisation! A psychological profile should show that not all happy clappers are the same and they are individuals who have differing traits and therefore differing reponses to certain situations. Some of the happy clappers will have achieved great things in life by not having to push themselves as you suggest they should as success comes easy due to their pleasant persona.

[Steve]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Happy Clappers are not good for society, they accept the status quo, they do not feel worthy, they are unambitious, they don't push themselves, happy just to have a roof over their heads, meekly accept their fate in life, they are just grateful, paradise to them is cheap beer and overtime, happy at Skeg in the van, so what if their car is 15 years old, it gets them from A to B.



Remember the phrase " You've never had it so good?"
Its the favorite phrase of those who've never had it better.

What a terrible post. I'm a happy clapper and while I do class cheap beer as paradise, I wouldnt agree I am any of the others.

I would go as far as saying the moaners are borderline stupid. They are the ones who will never get anywhere in life. God help us if any of the moaners were in government, it would be full scale anarchy

[lindo-spireite]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Happy Clappers are not good for society, they accept the status quo, they do not feel worthy, they are unambitious, they don't push themselves, happy just to have a roof over their heads, meekly accept their fate in life, they are just grateful, paradise to them is cheap beer and overtime, happy at Skeg in the van, so what if their car is 15 years old, it gets them from A to B.



Remember the phrase " You've never had it so good?"
Its the favorite phrase of those who've never had it better.

What an embarrassing post on your behalf.

Disrespectful to the working families that work every hour they can just to get by. Fellow spireite you should be ashamed.

[Spireite1969]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 10:10 AM, said:

Happy Clappers are not good for society, they accept the status quo, they do not feel worthy, they are unambitious, they don't push themselves, happy just to have a roof over their heads, meekly accept their fate in life, they are just grateful, paradise to them is cheap beer and overtime, happy at Skeg in the van, so what if their car is 15 years old, it gets them from A to B.



Remember the phrase " You've never had it so good?"
Its the favorite phrase of those who've never had it better.

The moaners think our team ROLLs OVER and LAYs DOWN and think we are on our way DOWN THE DUSTPIPE, whereas the clappers think we'll soon be ROCKING ALL OVER THE WORLD.

[h again]

Is it allright to clap the decisions I approve of and moan when something goes wrong?
Thought I'd better ask - the thought police are everywhere and I wouldn't want to make their job more difficult.

[Search & Destroy]

h again, on 07 September 2011 - 12:11 PM, said:

Is it allright to clap the decisions I approve of and moan when something goes wrong?
Thought I'd better ask - the thought police are everywhere and I wouldn't want to make their job more difficult.

Thats OK, it shows the ability to think for oneself, it should be encouraged.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

So i guess this is what it all boils down to: at one end of the Spireite spectrum we have those who'll never, ever utter one word of criticism, embrace everything they're told by those running the Club as gospel and simply smile, shrug their shoulders and mutter 'Oh well, never mind' as we lose ten-nil to Bog Standard Borough, whilst at the other there're those who'll complain that ticket prices for our Champions League Final victory over Barcelona were too expensive and berate Dave Allen for not laying on chauffeur driven limousine away travel with free champagne.

Okay, fair enough.

But can we please, please accept that the overwhelming majority of genuine, loyal, 'true' Chesterfield supporters who fall somewhere in between, folk who'll applaud the positives whilst also articulating negatives, are reasonably intelligent individuals expressing perfectly legitimate views.

Then maybe we can put this 'moaner-groaner v happy-clappy' nonsense to bed once and for all.

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[Radders]

MDCCCLXVI, on 07 September 2011 - 12:45 PM, said:

So i guess this is what it all boils down to: at one end of the Spireite spectrum we have those who'll never, ever utter one word of criticism, embrace everything they're told by those running the Club as gospel and simply smile, shrug their shoulders and mutter 'Oh well, never mind' as we lose ten-nil to Bog Standard Borough, whilst at the other there're those who'll complain that ticket prices for our Champions League Final victory over Barcelona were too expensive and berate Dave Allen for not laying on chauffeur driven limousine away travel with free champagne.

Okay, fair enough.

But can we please, please accept that the overwhelming majority of genuine, loyal, 'true' Chesterfield supporters who fall somewhere in between, folk who'll applaud the positives whilst also articulating negatives, are reasonably intelligent individuals expressing perfectly legitimate views.

Then maybe we can put this 'moaner-groaner v happy-clappy' nonsense to bed once and for all.

And so say all of us!
Radders - realist of to many years standing!

[ThruAndThruBlue]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

The constant moaning and complaining by the TRUE FANS means Leon Clarke is now having talks at the B2NET, if it had been left up to the clappers, it'd still be Bowerey Boden Talbot and Morgs, Are you clappers happy with that we may be spending some money or will you start MOANING that we can't afford it and we're going to do a Plymouth? We are paying Clarke = administration beckons. Blind Panic, put the price of the Pies up.

what a complete load of tosh, nowhere have anyone said the team is good enough with the players we alreadyhad, clearly we needed players brought in the only thing is we support the team by cheering them and understanding we are a lower lge 2 team where some people are that deluded that they believe because we won lg2 we should walk this league and not b*tching, please dont jump to conclusions and make up your own opinions on what US happy clappers think.

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[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

The constant moaning and complaining by the TRUE FANS means Leon Clarke is now having talks at the B2NET, if it had been left up to the clappers, it'd still be Bowerey Boden Talbot and Morgs, Are you clappers happy with that we may be spending some money or will you start MOANING that we can't afford it and we're going to do a Plymouth? We are paying Clarke = administration beckons. Blind Panic, put the price of the Pies up.

I kinda see your point but i'm not sure it's relevent on this occasion.

Fans of numerous football clubs, including our own in relation to the Lea regime, have felt the need to protest in various ways to achieve necessary change. And it has to be said that on each and every occasion, again including our own club, there were those opposing that change and supporting the incumbents. Subsequently it's perfectly legitimate to point out that articulating and demonstrating dissent can sometimes achieve a positive result.

However when it comes to the last few months i'd argue that everyone involved accepted the squad needed enhancing. Were some too supportive of our promising yet reletively unproven youngsters? Probably so. Did a few make over optimistic appraisals of the players available in August? Again, probably so. Was there anything wrong with pointing out our shortcomings and questioning why? Absolutely not. But i don't believe it needed a march around the b2net to tell The Powers That Be we were short of both quantity and quality.

[fishini]

There are the happy clappers and the moaners and in a roundabout way they complement each other. Both look at things too deeply. The clappers can not see anything wrong and never criticise the moaners have the ability to see everything that is wrong and do criticise. IMO this board needs both or it would be mind numbingly boring. What both camps have in common though is that they are all fans and supporters even the moaners. The only difference is the clappers always accuse the moaners of not being fans which cannot be further from the truth

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

fishini, on 07 September 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

There are the happy clappers and the moaners and in a roundabout way they complement each other. Both look at things too deeply. The clappers can not see anything wrong and never criticise the moaners have the ability to see everything that is wrong and do criticise. IMO this board needs both or it would be mind numbingly boring. What both camps have in common though is that they are all fans and supporters even the moaners. The only difference is the clappers always accuse the moaners of not being fans which cannot be further from the truth

Excellent point.

[Skywalker]

fishini, on 07 September 2011 - 05:42 PM, said:

There are the happy clappers and the moaners and in a roundabout way they complement each other. Both look at things too deeply. The clappers can not see anything wrong and never criticise the moaners have the ability to see everything that is wrong and do criticise. IMO this board needs both or it would be mind numbingly boring. What both camps have in common though is that they are all fans and supporters even the moaners. The only difference is the clappers always accuse the moaners of not being fans which cannot be further from the truth

Then there is the vast majority who have the ability to both compliment and criticise in a rational and constructive way.

[Denny]

What I want to know is if took Search & Destroy's moaning to actually get us a striker. Why on earth didn't S&D do anything about it before?
Surely he could see he needed to moan more to get the players in. It's taken him this long to stop sitting on his hands and actually do something when he should have been far miserable before.
If the season doesn't improve soon I think he'll have some serious questions to answer about his inaction and his frankly unforgivable easy-goingness upto yet.

I'll ignore the panic tantrum that signed mendy and westcarr, good job S&D.

[Search & Destroy]

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What I want to know is if took Search & Destroy's moaning to actually get us a striker. Why on earth didn't S&D do anything about it before?
Surely he could see he needed to moan more to get the players in. It's taken him this long to stop sitting on his hands and actually do something when he should have been far miserable before.
If the season doesn't improve soon I think he'll have some serious questions to answer about his inaction and his frankly unforgivable easy-goingness upto yet.

I'll ignore the panic tantrum that signed mendy and westcarr, good job S&D.




I'll tell you something though Denny, there were comments on this board which it seems were responsible for the official club statement a few weeks ago regarding lack of signings and emphasising that JS did have the neccessary funds, someone reads this bunkum.

[Scooby Doo]

stokey, on 07 September 2011 - 08:24 AM, said:

Someone put a definition out of the Happy Clappers recently - would their counterparts be appropriately named Groaning Moaners?

Only happy when they're moaning. Nothing wrong when there's a point, of course, but I think Odysseus mentioned something that hit the nail on the head last week - the fact that it's never balanced and they can ONLY criticise can't be a constructive thing, and only attempts to drag the club, the team and the fans down.

Moan Moan MOAN!

Boy and do we have our fair share.

[Scooby Doo]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 09:06 AM, said:

The constant moaning and complaining by the TRUE FANS means Leon Clarke is now having talks at the B2NET, if it had been left up to the clappers, it'd still be Bowerey Boden Talbot and Morgs, Are you clappers happy with that we may be spending some money or will you start MOANING that we can't afford it and we're going to do a Plymouth? We are paying Clarke = administration beckons. Blind Panic, put the price of the Pies up.

Well done give the man a carrot!!!!

[Scooby Doo]

Search and Destroy, on 07 September 2011 - 09:20 AM, said:

Not obvious to the clappers mate, it wasn't so long ago that were was a six page thread about how JB would be the answer this year, or the one about Morgs being a striker, or the one about how Drew was originally signed as a striker, those views seemed to have changed, mine hasn't.

All I would say is Balance is what's required. I am not a Happy Clapper nor a Groaning Moaner I see things for what they are, and I trust those in charge who know more about football matters than any of us put together. Yet you wouldn't think so the way some people go off on this forum, so of you should take up football management you're that good at it!