[warfey is a spireite]

Radders, on 01 September 2011 - 04:30 PM, said:

Where is the ambition? Good question and one we have been asking for years. I have been supporting this lot for over 45 years now and in that time I have seen just 5 promotions, all from what is ostensibly division 4 to divison 3. Now that doesn't seem a great deal to me, because it also means I have seen just as many relegations to go with it. Lets be honest here, 1 promotion every 9 years (because thats what it works out at) isn't a lot to get excited about. At this rate I'll be 63 before I see my next one and we'll have to have gone down to division 4 before I actually see it!
I think, as supporters, we have a right to expect a little more from our club. We may well agree that we can't live with the big boys in the premiership, those days are long gone - but one season in a division higher than this would be nice, hells bells even the scabs managed that!
I'm not what one would call a 'negative, moaning fan' but equally my head isn't firmly entrenched in the sand to notice that we haven't actually done right by the supporters this season. Just saying "Shez will make it right in the end" doesn't necessarily make it so. To be honest I find events a little disturbing because, come to think of it, I cannot ever remember a Chesterfield side that has looked so out of depth once it has been promoted.
Hopefully the manager will get the breaks - hopefully the footballers will come here, but one things for sure - those who said that our new facilities would be a big draw for players are way off mark, I think we can safely say that if you pay them they will come. They don't actually care whether its Saltergate or a state of the art ground - if the money is in the bank then they are happy.
Perhaps I need to get a new hobby!

spot on son

[Westbars Spireite]

If I see you Saturday Dave I'll lend you a few full stops.

[Eddie63]

Radders, on 01 September 2011 - 04:30 PM, said:

Where is the ambition? Good question and one we have been asking for years. I have been supporting this lot for over 45 years now and in that time I have seen just 5 promotions, all from what is ostensibly division 4 to divison 3. Now that doesn't seem a great deal to me, because it also means I have seen just as many relegations to go with it. Lets be honest here, 1 promotion every 9 years (because thats what it works out at) isn't a lot to get excited about. At this rate I'll be 63 before I see my next one and we'll have to have gone down to division 4 before I actually see it!
I think, as supporters, we have a right to expect a little more from our club. We may well agree that we can't live with the big boys in the premiership, those days are long gone - but one season in a division higher than this would be nice, hells bells even the scabs managed that!
I'm not what one would call a 'negative, moaning fan' but equally my head isn't firmly entrenched in the sand to notice that we haven't actually done right by the supporters this season. Just saying "Shez will make it right in the end" doesn't necessarily make it so. To be honest I find events a little disturbing because, come to think of it, I cannot ever remember a Chesterfield side that has looked so out of depth once it has been promoted.
Hopefully the manager will get the breaks - hopefully the footballers will come here, but one things for sure - those who said that our new facilities would be a big draw for players are way off mark, I think we can safely say that if you pay them they will come. They don't actually care whether its Saltergate or a state of the art ground - if the money is in the bank then they are happy.
Perhaps I need to get a new hobby!

spot on radders I couldnt have put it any better ,I think the club thinks we cant compete with the bigger clubs in this division so we will just try to survive whilst spending as little as possible.I HOPE that im proved wrong but a decent season looks like just staying up with a win or two in the big derby games thrown in.

[Skywalker]

Eddie63, on 01 September 2011 - 07:23 PM, said:

spot on radders I couldnt have put it any better ,I think the club thinks we cant compete with the bigger clubs in this division so we will just try to survive whilst spending as little as possible.I HOPE that im proved wrong but a decent season looks like just staying up with a win or two in the big derby games thrown in.

We've reportedly paid around 75K to Notts County so it's hardly a case of spending as little as possible.

[DIFH]

warfey is a spireite, on 01 September 2011 - 07:07 AM, said:

record crowds , a quality team and exciting times last year , season ticket sold by the bucketload , moneys in store , beer , pies etc etc , we all went away joius of winning the league last season , although we knew craig davies would be going for nowt back in april , we had faith hed be replaced by shez , HOWEVER 4-5 MONTHS later he hasnt ,SMALLEY going was a suprise to a lower team , but most of us would have put up with that , knowing shez wed have adequate replacements , season starts and in 5 games 1 point , no adequate strikers as replacements , in between a 6-2 drubbing at MK,3 alleged strikers set to come , didnt , fans getting worried at all the silence ,i love this team for 40 yrs and will go regardless , but it looks like were trying to muddle through , i posted weeks ago , has the budget been swolled up by shez and crossleys contracts , cos someats not right ,

Do you think the management contracts get paid up front - finished gardening yet.

[warfey is a spireite]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 01 September 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

Do you think the management contracts get paid up front - finished gardening yet.

ha ha went out just in case you popped in lol had to stop cant see weeds int dark

[metallilad]

Odysseus, on 01 September 2011 - 10:08 AM, said:

Oh dear, so now it’s there is a giant conspiracy to stop us winning this league? What is it this time, vast reserves of coal found under the B2net so the board are deliberately making sure we fail? Or DA and BH want to move us to the Isle of Wight, like the bloke at Milton Keynes, so they can have a house by the sea? Or is it the always popular with town fans, the board don’t want us to go up as it would cost too much so they are deliberately sabotaging our campaign, I haven’t heard that one for a year or two. Takes a special kind of paranoia to believe in giant conspiracies in my view, unfortunately we seem to be over stocked with the kind of person who would willingly believe in them on here.

P.S. There was a second man on the “grassy knoll”, aliens are amongst us, the moon landing were faked and the board are conspiring against us!

I want to believe!

Right then where to start?................?.........Erm...... ......... ....Oh I know! WHAT?!

[Spire Power]

Radders, on 01 September 2011 - 04:30 PM, said:

Where is the ambition? Good question and one we have been asking for years. I have been supporting this lot for over 45 years now and in that time I have seen just 5 promotions, all from what is ostensibly division 4 to divison 3. Now that doesn't seem a great deal to me, because it also means I have seen just as many relegations to go with it. Lets be honest here, 1 promotion every 9 years (because thats what it works out at) isn't a lot to get excited about. At this rate I'll be 63 before I see my next one and we'll have to have gone down to division 4 before I actually see it!
I think, as supporters, we have a right to expect a little more from our club. We may well agree that we can't live with the big boys in the premiership, those days are long gone - but one season in a division higher than this would be nice, hells bells even the scabs managed that!
I'm not what one would call a 'negative, moaning fan' but equally my head isn't firmly entrenched in the sand to notice that we haven't actually done right by the supporters this season. Just saying "Shez will make it right in the end" doesn't necessarily make it so. To be honest I find events a little disturbing because, come to think of it, I cannot ever remember a Chesterfield side that has looked so out of depth once it has been promoted.
Hopefully the manager will get the breaks - hopefully the footballers will come here, but one things for sure - those who said that our new facilities would be a big draw for players are way off mark, I think we can safely say that if you pay them they will come. They don't actually care whether its Saltergate or a state of the art ground - if the money is in the bank then they are happy.
Perhaps I need to get a new hobby!

I never imagined the new stadium to be a big draw for potential signings. Nice as it is, it may be no better than a lot of others in this league

[ELTON 2020]

Skywalker, on 01 September 2011 - 07:42 PM, said:

We've reportedly paid around 75K to Notts County so it's hardly a case of spending as little as possible.

75k in todays money is big money. Can you see Stevenage, Bury paying that sort of cash? I can't.........
For 75k i expect quite a bit

[SpireiteFitzy]

Everybody talks about ambition but where is the realism? Maybe we just have to accept the fact that this club is too small to compete with a lot of teams in this league. Our transfer policy, while the correct way to go about things in terms of staying solvent, means that there is always going to be another team ready to underhand us and offer players that bit more to tempt them away knowing that we wont change our offer. And these days ambition is measured by the amount of money your willing to spend and the amount of risks you wish to take.

I would go on a lot more but you will all probably -1 me for actually looking at the facts and not been blindly ambitious thinking we can conquer the world. I love this football club but I'm smart enough to know when, with our current financial clout, we have reached the peak of how far we can go. Why can't we be content with the fresh new start we have had and the fact we are back playing in league 1 again? All this talk of the gunning for the playoffs and getting to the championship is doing more harm than good as it just raises supporters expectations to levels that just can't be attained at this moment in time.

Anyhow enough complaining, time to look forward to saturday and hope we can kick start our season!

[Spire_78]

If Bournemouth, a promoted team last season can reach the playoffs in League 1 is it unreasonable to expect us, as League 2 champions to even come close to doing the same? Surely they didn't have a huge budget or big ground and so on but they managed why the hell can't we? Even Rochdales 9th last season looks a million miles away, typical town fashion make do and scrape along guess we should all be used to it by now.

[SpireiteFitzy]

Spire_78, on 02 September 2011 - 12:54 AM, said:

If Bournemouth, a promoted team last season can reach the playoffs in League 1 is it unreasonable to expect us, as League 2 champions to even come close to doing the same? Surely they didn't have a huge budget or big ground and so on but they managed why the hell can't we? Even Rochdales 9th last season looks a million miles away, typical town fashion make do and scrape along guess we should all be used to it by now.

How can we come close to the playoffs when we cant compete? I mean for gods sake oxford manage to snatch a player off us by offering more money and they are a league below us. If we cant compete with them how can we with huddersfield, mk dons, united, wednesday, mk dons etc etc.

As RPL an Warfey et al keep reminding us we are weaker than when we got promoted, Bournemouth and rochdale were stronger. They had proven goalscorers, big target men, solid back 4's and above all unbreakable team spirits along with big slices of luck. As much as one good season probably makes the scrape along and make do attitude you describe a bit monotinous it also doesnt suddenly give fans the right to expect miracles in the league above.

[warfey is a spireite]

Skywalker, on 01 September 2011 - 07:42 PM, said:

We've reportedly paid around 75K to Notts County so it's hardly a case of spending as little as possible.

try 35 k

[Radders]

SpireiteFitzy, on 02 September 2011 - 12:31 AM, said:

Everybody talks about ambition but where is the realism? Maybe we just have to accept the fact that this club is too small to compete with a lot of teams in this league. Our transfer policy, while the correct way to go about things in terms of staying solvent, means that there is always going to be another team ready to underhand us and offer players that bit more to tempt them away knowing that we wont change our offer. And these days ambition is measured by the amount of money your willing to spend and the amount of risks you wish to take.

I would go on a lot more but you will all probably -1 me for actually looking at the facts and not been blindly ambitious thinking we can conquer the world. I love this football club but I'm smart enough to know when, with our current financial clout, we have reached the peak of how far we can go. Why can't we be content with the fresh new start we have had and the fact we are back playing in league 1 again? All this talk of the gunning for the playoffs and getting to the championship is doing more harm than good as it just raises supporters expectations to levels that just can't be attained at this moment in time.

Anyhow enough complaining, time to look forward to saturday and hope we can kick start our season!

No one is, or at least I'm not, suggesting we shouldn't stay solvent I'm just saying it would be nice, for once, to have a go at it. To be honest if you think that league 1 is where we belong and is where we should perhaps pitch our tent, then I think that as a football club we should all just pack up and go home. Isn't football about competeing?
Personally I think the supporters of this club, and indeed the people in this town, are so hungry for success that they'll bight your hand off to get it. Look how easily we believed that bozo Brown, it wasn't because he was that great - he just spoke our dreams out loud. The current board have done similar things - "Championship in 5 years" - now I've heard it all before, trust me, so I took that with a pinch of salt. However, I can't help but be lured by it. What I don't want is the club to say that they are going to do one thing and then deliver the other.
We pay our money in good faith and perhaps it's time that people who ran football clubs - and I'm talking all football clubs and not just ours here - realised that the paying public are not just cattle that will blindly turn up regardless of the shambles being presented on the pitch. And before anyone has a go - I'm not suggesting we have reached shambles stage just yet - that was just an example.
This club, off the pitch, has come on light years from when we were at Saltergate, perhaps it is time that on the pitch it followed suit.

[Odysseus]

I understand your frustration with the way this season has begun, I really do, but isn’t “to have a go at it” exactly what got a lot of clubs in financial trouble, wouldn’t “sure and steady wins the prize” be a better philosophy?

[Radders]

Odysseus, on 02 September 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

I understand your frustration with the way this season has begun, I really do, but isn’t “to have a go at it” exactly what got a lot of clubs in financial trouble, wouldn’t “sure and steady wins the prize” be a better philosophy?

To be honest I'm past caring how we go about it I just want to lord it in the championship for a couple of seasons before I die!