[Sammy Spireite]

Two instances got me thinking, if a Ref or his assistant receives verbal abuse does it alter the way he sees 50/50 decisions without him knowing it?

Page had several talkings to and the Ref had warned him minutes ago about his challenges (to which Page was very verbal in his response to) and then he jumps in to their winger and admittedly wins the ball but the ref has no hesitation in giving a penalty.

Also, the lino in front of the town fans was getting some right stick (despite not making a bad decision by this point) and then we get a goal disallowed that according to the replay should have stood.

I was wondering if the abuse sticks somewhere in their heads and it ways their decisions when it comes to close calls? Not suggesting they let it affect them but it may well do without their knowledge.

[pickoCFC]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 19 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

Two instances got me thinking, if a Ref or his assistant receives verbal abuse does it alter the way he sees 50/50 decisions without him knowing it?

Page had several talkings to and the Ref had warned him minutes ago about his challenges (to which Page was very verbal in his response to) and then he jumps in to their winger and admittedly wins the ball but the ref has no hesitation in giving a penalty.

Also, the lino in front of the town fans was getting some right stick (despite not making a bad decision by this point) and then we get a goal disallowed that according to the replay should have stood.

I was wondering if the abuse sticks somewhere in their heads and it ways their decisions when it comes to close calls? Not suggesting they let it affect them but it may well do without their knowledge.

You're sort of right with what your thinking, it goes through my mind on a Sunday morning!!

Also the challenge made by Page looked harsh to be given as a penalty, but if further up the pitch would be a definate free kick, so as we are after more consistency from Refs it was a pen.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 19 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

Two instances got me thinking, if a Ref or his assistant receives verbal abuse does it alter the way he sees 50/50 decisions without him knowing it?

Page had several talkings to and the Ref had warned him minutes ago about his challenges (to which Page was very verbal in his response to) and then he jumps in to their winger and admittedly wins the ball but the ref has no hesitation in giving a penalty.

Also, the lino in front of the town fans was getting some right stick (despite not making a bad decision by this point) and then we get a goal disallowed that according to the replay should have stood.

I was wondering if the abuse sticks somewhere in their heads and it ways their decisions when it comes to close calls? Not suggesting they let it affect them but it may well do without their knowledge.

More likely he was jsut incompetent

[JonB]

Dema Reborn, on Oct 19 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

I have seen linos at the rec when they have been got on deliberatly do wrong decisions all the more,they know it winds the crowd up,but yes proving it is another thing but i have witnessed it.....

How can you be certain its deliberate?

[JonB]

Dema Reborn, on Oct 19 2009, 03:36 PM, said:

How can i not be when i see it,they love to wind the crowd up....like i said proving it is another thing...

I really cant believe that someone who is having their performance assessed all the time will make a decision purely to wind up a few people in the crowd who have been giving him stick....if they did then they would be doing it all the time and it would be chaos!!

[JonB]

Dema Reborn, on Oct 19 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

Thats just it though who is assessing the lino over on Compton.....i cannot speak for the lino under the main stand....

They will be assessed as a team by the same person who will know more than you and me about what he is doing and be able to make a judgement accordingly as to whether he is making decisions to wind up a crowd!!

[DIFH]

Dema Reborn, on Oct 19 2009, 03:19 PM, said:

I have seen linos at the rec when they have been got on deliberatly do wrong decisions all the more,they know it winds the crowd up,but yes proving it is another thing but i have witnessed it.....

Sorry Dema there's only one way of saying this in response to the above 'Rubbish' mate.

[philmoore6]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 19 2009, 02:41 PM, said:

Two instances got me thinking, if a Ref or his assistant receives verbal abuse does it alter the way he sees 50/50 decisions without him knowing it?

Page had several talkings to and the Ref had warned him minutes ago about his challenges (to which Page was very verbal in his response to) and then he jumps in to their winger and admittedly wins the ball but the ref has no hesitation in giving a penalty.

Also, the lino in front of the town fans was getting some right stick (despite not making a bad decision by this point) and then we get a goal disallowed that according to the replay should have stood.
I was wondering if the abuse sticks somewhere in their heads and it ways their decisions when it comes to close calls? Not suggesting they let it affect them but it may well do without their knowledge.

having watched it over the weekend i am inclined to agree with the linesman boden was offside when the shot came in

the decision regarding the penalty if you look where ref was positioned it would certainly look like he jumped into his back leading with his forearm

[Sammy Spireite]

pickoCFC, on Oct 19 2009, 03:15 PM, said:

You're sort of right with what your thinking, it goes through my mind on a Sunday morning!!

Also the challenge made by Page looked harsh to be given as a penalty, but if further up the pitch would be a definate free kick, so as we are after more consistency from Refs it was a pen.

my initial reaction was penalty, and the ref's was too, its not often initial reactions are wrong but having witnessed what had gone on before, hardly suprising he gave a pen.

I guess as a qualified ref, you atre probably better advised than most on this issue and i'm not suggesting for one minute either the ref on saturday or any other ref thinks "right, he keeps moaning, i'm gonna give a free kick against him" but it must be in the darkest recesses of their brains somewhere surely?

I think I'm almost trying to say that if the players don't moan to the ref constantly and if the linesman doesn't feel intimidated by the crowd then perhaps these decisions should even themselves out over a season??

[clarevoyant.]

Dema Reborn, on Oct 19 2009, 03:41 PM, said:

Thats just it though who is assessing the lino over on Compton.....i cannot speak for the lino under the main stand....

Why cann't you speak for the "lino under the main stand" Dema

[DIFH]

clarevoyant., on Oct 19 2009, 05:19 PM, said:

Why cann't you speak for the "lino under the main stand" Dema

Gotle a geer, Gotle a geer!

[clarevoyant.]

Dema Reborn, on Oct 19 2009, 06:59 PM, said:

I don't drink when i go to the Rec and as for the lino over the pitch he is toooooooooo far away......

EXACTLY he's tooooon far away for you to judge and like the lino on the Compton side you are not in a position to offer an opinion, because I would suggest that for approximately 90% of the decisions made by this official you will not be in line to offer a balanced opinion. But don't let that spoil your cheap fun of offering abuse on a subject that you are obviously not very well versed in.

[Sammy Spireite]

clarevoyant., on Oct 19 2009, 11:21 PM, said:

EXACTLY he's tooooon far away for you to judge and like the lino on the Compton side you are not in a position to offer an opinion, because I would suggest that for approximately 90% of the decisions made by this official you will not be in line to offer a balanced opinion. But don't let that spoil your cheap fun of offering abuse on a subject that you are obviously not very well versed in.

I'd read Dema's posts on this topic again and probably retract this statement!!

[clarevoyant.]

pickoCFC, on Oct 19 2009, 03:15 PM, said:

You're sort of right with what your thinking, it goes through my mind on a Sunday morning!!

Also the challenge made by Page looked harsh to be given as a penalty, but if further up the pitch would be a definate free kick, so as we are after more consistency from Refs it was a pen.

Perhaps what you should consider on a Sunday morning is having a quiet word in a players ear(if he is giving you a bit of verbal) in passing and saying to him that if you don't button it you'll not be getting any 50-50 decisions of me. How many times do 2 players challenge for the ball and you have to decide who gets the throw if you keep giving it to the opposition and reminding the gobby player he will soon get the message, but then again on a Sunday morning maybe not

[clarevoyant.]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 19 2009, 11:30 PM, said:

I'd read Dema's posts on this topic again and probably retract this statement!!

Why?

[Sammy Spireite]

clarevoyant., on Oct 19 2009, 11:38 PM, said:

Why?

I took it that he was saying he sits in Compton so can judge the lino in front if him but not the one opposite so how can an official assessor judge the lino's performance on Comptton when he's pressumably sat in the wing stand?

Quite a good point actually