[spireitenag]

Sabreman, on Jul 7 2009, 06:52 PM, said:

good post i certainly see where your coming from, my feeling is sheridan wanted to see the players first hand in training before he makes his mind up on further strengthening the squad.
By his own admission he said to be looking at bringing a couple of players in, breks being one and a striker touted as being the other, who that is time will tell but we know the rumours seem to point to Burton.
Now he's had hands on with the squad for a week or so which obviously means he may already see where we need more strength and depth, i feel he may be realizing every training session he may have to bring a few more faces in.
Wingers is an obvious one as by all accounts passing attacking football is what we can expect, i also feel with the right manager and imo that is sheridan we have the makings of a formidable squad which just needs some tinkering.
So in conclusion i have every faith in sheridan and wright to bring the right players in and give us good quality football, if we can get a better home record next season we won't be far off.

What i will say about sheridan is he stated it was a clean sheet for all the players to show him the ability and passion they possess to play for our beloved club.
This he seems to be doing as he's not jumping in with both feet and signing all and sundry, if he feels we need strengthening in certain areas i know he'll bring the right players in.
Us as supporters cannot ask for more than that at this stage, once he gets the team playing as he wants with the players he wants i'm sure we will all be happy spireites.
Until then i'm happy with how things are going and i for one can't wait for the new season to kick off

What a revelation! People are beginning to come on here and talk common sense!

[Eddie63]

spireitenag, on Jul 7 2009, 07:41 PM, said:

What a revelation! People are beginning to come on here and talk common sense!

some may say common sense others may say blind faith,or wishfull thinking ,who knows how it will all turn out .their is a world of difference between talking agood game and putting together a team that will play a good game on a regular basis......js it is but we did have 40 apply for the job lets hope we have the right man......

[spireitetoo]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Jul 7 2009, 03:37 PM, said:

does not realise what a big job he has on his hands with the quality within our squad. We have heard TW stating that there won't be room for 'hoofit' football as the manager likes to play attractive football on the floor. It's ok trying to get players to play pretty football circles whilst training but the proof of any pudding will be seen when in a full blooded game.

I know we are locked into contracts and all that but you can't make players suddenly become comfortable on the ball when they haven't shown that apttitude previously. As fans we are going to have to be very very patient with the transformation in style of play and maybe look to the start of next season to see the real deal that Sheridan is hoping for.

The start of this season mirrors last year so much, I hope we can do a lot better.

with the exception of 3 loan players, the remainder of the team DID get the ball down and start and play football, for the second half of the season,(for the most part)
gregor dropped back to LB and did a decent wing back job, lowry and picken are both capable of doing the same,
harsley is as yet an untapped talent(wasn`t given a chance)
defensive probs can be sorted by breckin and hopefully a fully fit and eager page, and hall and downes keepng them on their toes
there`s competition for places in midfield also,(though a left winger would be nice)
a new partner for jack or 2 would be next on the shopping list( i would have thought)
and cause a bit of competition there(keep them on their toes)
personnally a fresh start under a new manager will give the likes of page, harsley, picken, currie,goodall etc the chance they have been waiting for, and could be as if they ARE new signings, lets face it they all came from clubs in a better division than this so are all capable in the right hands,
personnally a left wing and 2 strikers and i`ll be happy, can`t wait for derby on the 18th

COME ON SPIREITES, MAKE US PROUD AGAIN

[spyright]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Jul 7 2009, 07:38 PM, said:

One question - how can he assess the team and its capabilities without wingbacks. Surely he has got to bring them in sooner rather then later.

Perhaps his assessment will include the need for wingbacks? Surely JS has to start by looking at what he has to work with, assess that against the sort of team, tactics and style of play he wants us to use, identify the existing strengths and weaknesses and then take action to remedy those weaknesses? Which is what he appears to be doing by making a public statement to the effect that the whole squad starts with a clean sheet (i.e 'show me what you can do' to each player) and by not rushing in to make new signings. I'm inclined to give JS the benefit of the doubt and assume that he knows what he's doing.

As others have already said, let's wait and see how things pan out over the rest of the pre-season and then give the new management team and the squad a few months to see how they progress. I'll start to make my own judgements when we've completed a dozen league games.

[Doughnut]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Jul 7 2009, 07:38 PM, said:

One question - how can he assess the team and its capabilities without wingbacks. Surely he has got to bring them in sooner rather then later.

What's the fascination with wingbacks? JS may not want to employ wingbacks and your argument that he can't assess the team/squad without them is baffling and I'd suggest incorrect. You can judge the ability of all the players on the pitch without playing two wingbacks.

We currently have Lowry, Gray, Picken, Robertson, Austin and Goodall, who can all play full back (I appreciate you've stated wingback not full back). Nevertheless, we have cover for the wide defensive positions and I'd suggest JS's priorites for signing players lie elsewhere at this moment in time.

[dtp]

Doughnut, on Jul 8 2009, 01:31 PM, said:

What's the fascination with wingbacks? JS may not want to employ wingbacks and your argument that he can't assess the team/squad without them is baffling and I'd suggest incorrect. You can judge the ability of all the players on the pitch without playing two wingbacks.

We currently have Lowry, Gray, Picken, Robertson, Austin and Goodall, who can all play full back (I appreciate you've stated wingback not full back). Nevertheless, we have cover for the wide defensive positions and I'd suggest JS's priorites for signing players lie elsewhere at this moment in time.

For what its worth I actually think Robertson is a better Wing-Back thann Full-Back or Left-Midfielder.

Also, with Lowry's experience on the right of midfield along with his obvious energy a Wing-Back role could well suit him.

However, to play succesfully with wing-backs I believe you need 3 good centre-backs that complement each other - in the first half of the season are Hall, Page & Breckin the answer with Austin & Gray in reserve?

[Doughnut]

dtp, on Jul 8 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

For what its worth I actually think Robertson is a better Wing-Back thann Full-Back or Left-Midfielder.

Also, with Lowry's experience on the right of midfield along with his obvious energy a Wing-Back role could well suit him.

However, to play succesfully with wing-backs I believe you need 3 good centre-backs that complement each other - in the first half of the season are Hall, Page & Breckin the answer with Austin & Gray in reserve?

The interpretation is anoter factor. My understanding is wingbacks would typically be employed as part of a back 5 or slightly advanced of a trio of central defenders, in lieu of traditional wide midfielders/wingers. An attacking fullback is slightly different and I'm not sure what DIFH is alluding to.

Whilst I am a fan of Jamie Lowry who is comfortable on the ball and a decent passer, I'm not that convinced of his crossing ability. Personally, I'd like to see him play at RB this season. WRT Gregor Robertson I believe he is better going forward than he is defending and I too think he is better suited to wingback. All depends on what formation JS wants us to play.

[DIFH]

dtp, on Jul 8 2009, 01:38 PM, said:

For what its worth I actually think Robertson is a better Wing-Back thann Full-Back or Left-Midfielder.

Also, with Lowry's experience on the right of midfield along with his obvious energy a Wing-Back role could well suit him.

However, to play succesfully with wing-backs I believe you need 3 good centre-backs that complement each other - in the first half of the season are Hall, Page & Breckin the answer with Austin & Gray in reserve?

Gregor is our best LB in my opinion, if we are going to start with a sound defensive set up he stays there.
Our left side midfield problems may dictate otherwise.

[PositiveOmen]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Jul 8 2009, 02:16 PM, said:

Gregor is our best LB in my opinion, if we are going to start with a sound defensive set up he stays there.
Our left side midfield problems may dictate otherwise.

I think that GR has finally got the confidence that he needs, he now looks like he thinks he belongs out there with the rest of the first 11, so i think he's the best there.

Lee

Gray Breckin Hall Robertson


That backline seems fine to me, obviously there can be changes and improvements, but can't there always be?

[fishini]

Heavy_Soul, on Jul 7 2009, 03:42 PM, said:

good post dave, expectation is obviously higher than last season but i know what your saying, we will just have to wait and see, i really hope sheridan can pull this off

The end result will be the same

[fishini]

MP-Spire, on Jul 8 2009, 09:29 PM, said:

Why?

Best answer is a question. In regards to the club what really has changed since DA rode in on his horse? Little movement on the player front, no movement on the ground even though the club said the build would begin in 2 -3 weeks above 6 weeks ago more misinformation. So what has really changed? Thats why the end result will be the same

[Goku]

fishini, on Jul 8 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Best answer is a question. In regards to the club what really has changed since DA rode in on his horse? Little movement on the player front, no movement on the ground even though the club said the build would begin in 2 -3 weeks above 6 weeks ago more misinformation. So what has really changed? Thats why the end result will be the same

I don't see how you can catagorically say that it will be the same when we've signed a top quality centre half and we've not finished signing players yet... do you know who we're gonna sign then?

[Wooden Spoon]

johnd51, on Jul 7 2009, 04:52 PM, said:

Does this mean that Page, Austin, Gritton, Currie and Gray have all got an extra yard of pace? Have Kerry and Harsley grown six inches? Has Derek further developed his silky passing skills. Get real everyone. I am not being pessimistic but what can a new manager do?

Not play Niven on the right wing?

Use Niven harsley and kerry as a 3, with currie in front of them to supply the ammo?

Use Lowry as a RB?

Not confuse things with ultra complicated tactical changes following a sub?

[DIFH]

death, on Jul 9 2009, 08:21 AM, said:

Not play Niven on the right wing?

Use Niven harsley and kerry as a 3, with currie in front of them to supply the ammo?

Use Lowry as a RB?

Not confuse things with ultra complicated tactical changes following a sub?

7 subs should help in the complication stakes

[Bonnyman]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Jul 9 2009, 10:51 AM, said:

7 subs should help in the complication stakes

sheridan needs time to access the players he needs to find out if harsley and page as well as currie have still got it,what do people want him to do base his decisions on fanzine opinion? I predict after a couple of friendlies he will start to bring in the players that are right for us,he will have known absolutely nothing about the players that are here.We have signed a colosus in breckin,lets give sheridan time to access the spine of the team before making rash decisions

[Bonnyman]

fishini, on Jul 8 2009, 09:32 PM, said:

Best answer is a question. In regards to the club what really has changed since DA rode in on his horse? Little movement on the player front, no movement on the ground even though the club said the build would begin in 2 -3 weeks above 6 weeks ago more misinformation. So what has really changed? Thats why the end result will be the same

your one trick pony responses are getting cringeworthy,yes the stadium is a slight worry,but as for player movement we need to give the manager time,they only started pre season last week

[spyright]

bonnyman, on Jul 9 2009, 12:52 PM, said:

your one trick pony responses are getting cringeworthy,yes the stadium is a slight worry,but as for player movement we need to give the manager time,they only started pre season last week

'Bonnyman', thank God I'm not the only one who's fed up with Fishy's constant repetitive negative posting! JS has only been here a few weeks and already he's being written off by the great cod-expert! It baffles me how anyone can declare 'the end result will be the same' when the team hasn't played a single game yet under the new manager and there are almost certainly some more signings to come in the next few weeks. JS may be rubbish or he may be great (or any point in between!); I'm happy to give him my support for now and to hope for the best, at least until we've got some results on the board and some evidence on which to judge him. I just don't see the point in writing him off before he's even started!

[h again]

death, on Jul 9 2009, 08:21 AM, said:

Not play Niven on the right wing?

Use Niven harsley and kerry as a 3, with currie in front of them to supply the ammo?
Use Lowry as a RB?

Not confuse things with ultra complicated tactical changes following a sub?

Where's the width that we desperately lacked last season? And Harsley and Kerry are too small to operate together in midfield - we'd just be rolled over.