[Eddie63]

Blueprint, on Apr 21 2008, 04:28 PM, said:

A lot of our fans stopped attending when JD was incharge, i doubt that bringing him back is going to get people coming thorugh the turnstyles again.

The first thing JD would probably do would be to leave Lester on the bench.

not much difference then lester sat on bench on sat until they scored why the hell didnt he start as his inclusion would have given the crowd a lift right from the start .just another mistake by rico to go with all the others .

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Eddie63, on Apr 21 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

not much difference then lester sat on bench on sat until they scored why the hell didnt he start as his inclusion would have given the crowd a lift right from the start .just another mistake by rico to go with all the others .

LR on Lester's inclusion before Saturday "His fitness shouldn't be an issue 'cos he's played for most of the season".

LR on Lester's exclusion after Saturday "He wasn't fit".

[Skywalker]

Spired, on Apr 21 2008, 02:00 PM, said:

Fair enough Skywalker. To be honest my posts have been from the heart and ill thoughtout as of late.

I just want to say really to people like Karl or H again or whoever that just because I don't agree with you on a lot of things doesn't mean I don't respect your opinion. It's good to see both sides of the coin even if it's not really what I'd like to hear or read and I go off on one as a result.

I commend your honesty.

Spired, on Apr 21 2008, 02:00 PM, said:

Not sure what makes you tick...

I'm just an average fan who tries to go to as many matches as possible. I enjoy a pint or 4 before the game and a 'couple' afterwards. When we win I'm as happy as anyone and I get p***ed off when we lose.

[fishini]

dalekpete, on Apr 20 2008, 10:48 PM, said:

I didn’t know what tenure had been offered to Lee and I never thought it particularly important. After all how many managers reach the end of the contract before their future is determined?
How come as the chairman of the CFSS you were not privvy to the Clowns contract duration? How come thew Hubbard thought it prudent to keep it under wraps until now? probally wanted to stave of the ST revolt for at least one seasonI think we have under-achieved this season. Part of this has to be down to the manager. It is his first season as a number one and perfection cannot be expected. I have no doubt that the money spent puts us near the top of the league. However I trust that enough prudence has been shown to enable us to try again next year.

Does our lack of progress in league terms mean that Lee should not be allowed to continue?
Of course it means he shouldn't continue, he's failed, by his own words he's failed, he won't build another side like this one, this was his one chance and he fell miles short of the target

I would like to think that with a progress towards a new ground and set-up that we are really moving on.
Sorry Pete but how you see we are moving on amazes me, we still have the same old fashioned, out dated and incompetent Board we have always had, no ambition, no foresight and totally incapable of moving the club forward, all we from people like yourself and the board is the same old rhetoric we have had to endure for years, people are starting to see through it, just watch the ST sales for next season

What seems to have confirmed Lee’s position is a revamp of the whole off-field football structure. This is a real step forward but because of the size of our Club is dependent on individuals. This affects changes; I doubt whether we could replace the entire backroom staff.
Do you really think that fans are at all bothered about the off field activity when they see us lingering in the basement? As a matter of interest what is this supposedly 'real step forward' you keep talking about?

My dream is a club that emulates Crewe Alexandra. When Dario Gradi took over he finished 16th, 10th, 12th, 17th & 17th in the bottom division. For much of this time he suffered abuse on the terraces. However he was given time to develop his plans off the field and eventually his club became one that regularly played at Championship level. I want to see an infrastructure that allows proper scouting, coaching and youth development. This includes an acceptance locally that Chesterfield is the natural club to join to get on in the game.
We would I imagine all like to see a proper infrastructure for scouting, but I'm sorry I thought that was one of the criteria Hubbard used as an excuse for giving the Clown the job in the first place, with the 20 signings he's made I think it is obvious it is not working, lots of bad signings, maybe we need a decent scout for a change

It seems that our Board is starting to see the opportunities out there. A new coaching set-up is in place, a new ground planned and new training facilities under discussion. Steps are also being taken in youth football relations and Chesterfield FC in the Community. Lee Richardson seems to be in tune with these aspirations.
Starting to see the opportunities out there? Where is the evidence Pete I would love to see it. A new coaching set up? Where is our home grown talent then? Please explain CFC in the community seem it's some going around school dishing out free tickets only for them to be thrown in the waste bin. Football relations? You mean like the Hubbard on Saturday? Pity the clown is not in tune with the football on the field?

You cannot excuse on-field failings because of long-term off-field plans. This is because crowds, commercial dealings and prestige depend on a certain amount of success. We couldn't’t sustain a five year plan like Crewe’s became as we start from a much higher level of expectation. I am not entirely sure Lee will grow into the role; I think often he tries too hard. Sometimes if you have the tools the simple approach is what is needed. Experience shows you less can be more.

My call would be to leave Lee where he is but explain what he had done and what is expected of him. However I would expect clear evidence of on-field progress before Christmas regardless of building behind the scenes.

[fishini]

MP-Spire, on Apr 21 2008, 09:51 PM, said:

How many F'ing players do you want coming through the doors / sat in the stands?

If it wasn't for the players that the clown has signed who are sitting in the stands the gates would be even lower

MP-Spire, on Apr 21 2008, 09:48 PM, said:

Pete,

What would be your thoughts on bringing in a Football Director that Rico would report to?

Why not make him answerable to the Chairman for once Oh I forgot it's the Hubbard the man who has always rewarded failure

[Thrill]

If Lee stays, town have no hopes for promotion - simple.

[dalekpete]

MP-Spire, on Apr 21 2008, 09:48 PM, said:

Pete,

What would be your thoughts on bringing in a Football Director that Rico would report to?

Working in a structured management system I am uncomfortable with infrastructures that lack both accountability and support.

The Manager is there to be shot at. He is both the executive in charge of the whole playing side, and the figurehead to focus upon. He is also very lonely. We have seen this season that domestic crises can arise and that work can be the least of your worries.

Should that Manager seek support it might be seen as a sign of weakness. If there is an area of weakness in my team or performance then it is addressed. I would want the best man to help deal with the issue- spotting the issue and dealing with it would be a strength. Where my manager is inexperienced a mentor or support programme might be put in place. This doesn't mean that manager is weak rather that we want to realise the potential. Can you see a football Manager seeking support in this way?

While a new Manager can't publicly bring an experienced name in without raising questions, it would be better if that newbie had a mentor. Perhaps the LMA should appoint one of their officers to each of the pro-Managers with regular meetings set-up. Those that need support can avail themselves of it, those that don't can disregard the meetings.

I think that the traditional Director of Football role has been included in Lee's remit and don't think that needs to change. However it is only fair that he is given every support, personally and managerial, if he (or anyone else in the position) is to succeed.

[Wooden Spoon]

dalekpete, on Apr 21 2008, 10:36 PM, said:

Working in a structured management system I am uncomfortable with infrastructures that lack both accountability and support.

The Manager is there to be shot at. He is both the executive in charge of the whole playing side, and the figurehead to focus upon. He is also very lonely. We have seen this season that domestic crises can arise and that work can be the least of your worries.

Should that Manager seek support it might be seen as a sign of weakness. If there is an area of weakness in my team or performance then it is addressed. I would want the best man to help deal with the issue- spotting the issue and dealing with it would be a strength. Where my manager is inexperienced a mentor or support programme might be put in place. This doesn't mean that manager is weak rather that we want to realise the potential. Can you see a football Manager seeking support in this way?

While a new Manager can't publicly bring an experienced name in without raising questions, it would be better if that newbie had a mentor. Perhaps the LMA should appoint one of their officers to each of the pro-Managers with regular meetings set-up. Those that need support can avail themselves of it, those that don't can disregard the meetings.

I think that the traditional Director of Football role has been included in Lee's remit and don't think that needs to change. However it is only fair that he is given every support, personally and managerial, if he (or anyone else in the position) is to succeed.

We had the perfect man for that job, in Roy Macfarland.

[Blueprint]

Eddie63, on Apr 21 2008, 07:56 PM, said:

not much difference then lester sat on bench on sat until they scored why the hell didnt he start as his inclusion would have given the crowd a lift right from the start .just another mistake by rico to go with all the others .

Tbh i didn't think Lester helped us at all once he'd come on, it took Ward out of the game and all our attacking force seemed to dry up. Lester always seems to look rusty on his first game back, for me we were better before Lester came on. Rico maybe should have took Fletch off and played Lester and Ward together upfront, so the substitutions didn't disrupt too much of the team, but we're still not convinced about the Ward/Lester partnership. The partnership of ward and Fletch has done enough in recent games for people to be upbeat from the start, it's only fair to Dowson, Fletch and ward that Lester has to start his comeback on the bench, plus he wasn't 100% fit.