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Rico Out! We're going nowhere.

#1 User is offline   Ross 

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  Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:19 AM

Out his depth.
Tactically inept.
Doesn't know a good player from a bad player.
Basically clueless.

He may as well go now because there is no way we are going up this season or next under his management.

If we scrape into the play-offs we will get hammered over 2 legs by one of the better sides currently in the top half.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:22 AM

View PostRoss, on Feb 3 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

Out his depth.
Tactically inept.
Doesn't know a good player from a bad player.
Basically clueless.

He may as well go now because there is no way we are going up this season or next under his management.

If we scrape into the play-offs we will get hammered over 2 legs by one of the better sides currently in the top half.


As a football club, we have this nasty habit of promoting within! The last few examples show it doesnt work, and hopefully the new manager will be an outsider who does things his way, and not how Hubbard wants it doing!

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This post has been edited by Hoare (400): 03 February 2008 - 10:23 AM

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:23 AM

View PostRoss, on Feb 3 2008, 10:19 AM, said:

Out his depth.
Tactically inept.
Doesn't know a good player from a bad player.
Basically clueless.

He may as well go now because there is no way we are going up this season or next under his management.

If we scrape into the play-offs we will get hammered over 2 legs by one of the better sides currently in the top half.


I take it if we get into the play offs you won't be going then?
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:26 AM

I'm emigrating to Australia in 4 weeks so i won't be able to. If we get to Wembley i'd be tempted to return but we won't.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:29 AM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on Feb 3 2008, 10:23 AM, said:

I take it if we get into the play offs you won't be going then?


No Ernie i wont, some may think reaching the play offs is some form of achievement, i dont. Automatic promotion or nothing. These players are good enough to be top 3, in a poor and weak division, what they lack is leadership, on and off the pitch, and coaching on better tactics, and also coaching on how to defend set pieces better etc etc.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:34 AM

View PostHoare (400), on Feb 3 2008, 10:29 AM, said:

No Ernie i wont, some may think reaching the play offs is some form of achievement, i dont. Automatic promotion or nothing. These players are good enough to be top 3, in a poor and weak division, what they lack is leadership, on and off the pitch, and coaching on better tactics, and also coaching on how to defend set pieces better etc etc.

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The buck stops with the Manager.

If he worked in industry he would be a laughing stock.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:35 AM

View PostHoare (400), on Feb 3 2008, 10:29 AM, said:

No Ernie i wont, some may think reaching the play offs is some form of achievement, i dont. Automatic promotion or nothing. These players are good enough to be top 3, in a poor and weak division, what they lack is leadership, on and off the pitch, and coaching on better tactics, and also coaching on how to defend set pieces better etc etc.

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The question was to Ross etc it's a given you won't be going. Unless of course you and Ros are one of the same?

So whislt everyone accepts we are playing poorly in the main, even though you haven't seen us play for 5 years, you know it's a weak division, that we lack leadership, coaching and tactics are bad set pieces are poor etc. If Ricco get sthe boot you should apply, as if you know all that without seeing us how fkin good would you be if you actually saw the players?
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:38 AM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on Feb 3 2008, 10:35 AM, said:

The question was to Ross etc it's a given you won't be going. Unless of course you and Ros are one of the same?

So whislt everyone accepts we are playing poorly in the main, even though you haven't seen us play for 5 years, you know it's a weak division, that we lack leadership, coaching and tactics are bad set pieces are poor etc. If Ricco get sthe boot you should apply, as if you know all that without seeing us how fkin good would you be if you actually saw the players?


The internet and Sky tv are marvellous inventions dont you think?


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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:40 AM

View PostHoare (400), on Feb 3 2008, 10:38 AM, said:

The internet and Sky tv are marvellous inventions dont you think?
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yes it's just like being there!!

A few minutes highlights gives you a real flavour of the game
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 10:46 AM

View PostHoare (400), on Feb 3 2008, 10:29 AM, said:

No Ernie i wont, some may think reaching the play offs is some form of achievement, i dont. Automatic promotion or nothing. These players are good enough to be top 3, in a poor and weak division, what they lack is leadership, on and off the pitch, and coaching on better tactics, and also coaching on how to defend set pieces better etc etc.
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I don't think you are in a position to even comment on anything CFC by your own admission you do not go and watch them.

I will not shout Rico out that is for the board and the board only and those of us that know the club inside out know thats not going to happen,not this season anyway.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 11:09 AM

In terms of Rico who I know from his days with Aberdeen, the unfortunate reality of a new manager is he will require experience, which he is getting at the moment, good managers learn quickly from thier mistakes and only time will tell.

Believe it or not, many managers don't have a basic strategy or game plan and manage like they played, with emotion, they pick a team on ability and not strategy, ability without organisation is a mistake, as you have all probally seen players who have ability but dont perform well in the teams.

Its normally due to the system not aimed at maximising thier strenghts, they are always chasing the game and sometimes look like a fish out of water, but have ability.

The plan is to get the system to suit all the players, not to get the players to fit the system, this is where most managers go wrong, they play a system they played as a player then try to get thier players to adopt it, this takes longer and it mostly fails. "Square peg through a round hole" it wont fit so dont try it.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 11:56 AM

View PostDave Caldwell, on Feb 3 2008, 11:09 AM, said:

In terms of Rico who I know from his days with Aberdeen, the unfortunate reality of a new manager is he will require experience, which he is getting at the moment, good managers learn quickly from thier mistakes and only time will tell.

Believe it or not, many managers don't have a basic strategy or game plan and manage like they played, with emotion, they pick a team on ability and not strategy, ability without organisation is a mistake, as you have all probally seen players who have ability but dont perform well in the teams.

Its normally due to the system not aimed at maximising thier strenghts, they are always chasing the game and sometimes look like a fish out of water, but have ability.

The plan is to get the system to suit all the players, not to get the players to fit the system, this is where most managers go wrong, they play a system they played as a player then try to get thier players to adopt it, this takes longer and it mostly fails. "Square peg through a round hole" it wont fit so dont try it.

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I still don't understand the logic in playing an out-of-form and low in confidence centre half at right back when we have two perfectly decent right backs, one in midfield and one on the bench. I've no problems with trying something new but if it isn't working, for God's sake change it. Jamie Ward down the left flank did not work yesterday - what did Rico do about it? Nothing. After 30 mins it was clear that Jamie was struggling there and leaving Gregor exposed frequently against 2 players. Something should have been done by that time to change this.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:34 PM

Rico is doing OK, we are still in the play-offs therefore still got a good chance of promotion from the play-offs. Yes, our first 11 is a top 3 side. But our squad is weak and will struggle to maintain the push. You could say that's Rico's fault for not signing players, but you could also say he wasn't given any money from the board to bring in the neccessary talent.
Things need to improve, however, Rico could still take us up which would result in a succesful season. The loan window is a very important time for him, he needs 2/3 decent players to make and not break the season.

This post has been edited by Dan_CFC: 03 February 2008 - 02:35 PM

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:37 PM

View PostDan_CFC, on Feb 3 2008, 02:34 PM, said:

Rico is doing OK, we are still in the play-offs therefore still got a good chance of promotion from the play-offs. Yes, our first 11 is a top 3 side. But our squad is weak and will struggle to maintain the push. You could say that's Rico's fault for not signing players, but you could also say he wasn't given any money from the board to bring in the neccessary talent. Things need to improve, however, Rico could still take us up which would result in a succesful season. The loan window is a very important time for him, he needs 2/3 decent players to make and not break the season.


Where does this keep coming from? Hubbard has said we are "going for it" and as others have said we must be top 5 in terms of resources in this league.

I'm totally sick of people making excuses for poor management.
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:39 PM

View PostTown_Fan, on Feb 3 2008, 02:37 PM, said:

Where does this keep coming from? Hubbard has said we are "going for it" and as others have said we must be top 5 in terms of resources in this league.

I'm totally sick of people making excuses for poor management.

Poor management from the men on the board, I agree. :P

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:44 PM

View PostDan_CFC, on Feb 3 2008, 02:39 PM, said:

Poor management from the men on the board, I agree. :P


It was poor management that saw Rico get the job in the first place, so I agree also.

I still think about that guy who went mental on Radio Sheff after the announcement. What were the board thinking in making such a devisive decision in terms of board versus the fans?
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:48 PM

View PostTown_Fan, on Feb 3 2008, 02:44 PM, said:

It was poor management that saw Rico get the job in the first place, so I agree also.

I still think about that guy who went mental on Radio Sheff after the announcement. What were the board thinking in making such a devisive decision in terms of board versus the fans?

We are still in the play-off positions, we have a midfielder who can play defence spilitting and game winning passes, we have a 25+ goal striker.We still have a chance of going up = Rico's doing Ok.

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Posted 03 February 2008 - 02:49 PM

View PostErnie Ernie Ernie, on Feb 3 2008, 10:23 AM, said:

I take it if we get into the play offs you won't be going then?

We wont get the play off Ernie £50 better off for me lol :P :lol: :( :(
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:01 PM

View PostDan_CFC, on Feb 3 2008, 02:48 PM, said:

We are still in the play-off positions, we have a midfielder who can play defence spilitting and game winning passes, we have a 25+ goal striker.We still have a chance of going up = Rico's doing Ok.

:P We had a squad of 16 players available yesterday, couldn't beat a team that hadn't scored in their last four games, lost 7 from 8. We ourselves have won 1 in 7. Your having a giraffe mate! Rico's doing OK?
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Posted 03 February 2008 - 03:04 PM

View PostBlueRover52, on Feb 3 2008, 03:01 PM, said:

:P We had a squad of 16 players available yesterday, couldn't beat a team that hadn't scored in their last four games, lost 7 from 8. We ourselves have won 1 in 7. Your having a giraffe mate! Rico's doing OK?

Were still in the play-offs aren't we?-Correct me if I am wrong?
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