[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

sammythespire, on Jan 31 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

Rico as done same as Roy did with n'toya if ward or jack get injured we have nothing to replace them well done Rico!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rooney was a loan player who didn't want to stay. Unless you know we aren't bringing in loan players next week as replacements then......

[sammythespire]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Jan 31 2008, 11:02 PM, said:

Rooney was a loan player who didn't want to stay. Unless you know we aren't bringing in loan players next week as replacements then......

But he was here til end of season and do you really think we will get one as good as him. Better goal rate than Ward!!!!

[dalekpete]

sammythespire, on Jan 31 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

Rico as done same as Roy did with n'toya if ward or jack get injured we have nothing to replace them well done Rico!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think the Rooney thing is unfortunate but to bring up the N'Toya thing again is mad.

He has scored one goal in two dozen matches since he left and is now playing semi-pro level in the middle-east.

[glap]

sammythespire, on Jan 31 2008, 10:57 PM, said:

Rico as done same as Roy did with n'toya if ward or jack get injured we have nothing to replace them well done Rico!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well I've said all season that we are short of a tall pacey forward up front.

Perhaps now we'll get one.

Rooney hasn't quite done it for me - not tall enough - not pacey enough - not made himself first choice in my opinion.

If Ward can cover for Jack we need somebody instead of Fletcher and I'm sorry Rooney hasn't been that man.

Whilst it might not happen tonight perhaps it will happen in when the new loan period comes along.

As for Leven, if he goes it could be good business, if he doesn't he can't play on Saturday anyway. There's been a rumour about Nicky Law from Sheffield United - perhaps that will yet happen as a loan to the end of the season.

Lets have patience -we've all thought the squad needs improving - perhaps space has now been provided for this to happen.

[Town_Fan]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Jan 31 2008, 11:02 PM, said:

Rooney was a loan player who didn't want to stay. Unless you know we aren't bringing in loan players next week as replacements then......

Why would a player want to stay when the players that are getting picked ahead of him have managed to only score the same amount of goals as him on his own in less starts? Personally I think Rooney's made the correct decision for himself, he was going nowhere under Richardson much like CFC itself.

[Gary the Snail]

I'm not happy Rooney's gone, we must surely look to bring another striker in as I'm not confident having Smith back would be good enough if we're looking for promotion. Lincoln didn't think too much to Smith and look where they are!

Personally I think Rooney was too similar to Jack to be playing alongside him. Both of them are box players. Playing Ward or Fletch alongside Jack adds different options. Fletch being the obvious target man. Ward can go wide both wings and has the work rate.

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Jan 31 2008, 11:26 PM, said:

Why would a player want to stay when the players that are getting picked ahead of him have managed to only score the same amount of goals as him on his own in less starts? Personally I think Rooney's made the correct decision for himself, he was going nowhere under Richardson much like CFC itself.

Rooney is a totally different kind of player to Ward. You might even have noticed that yourself? Basically Rooney is a penalty box player and reasonably good in that area as long as somebody else is providing the chances. Outside the box he's short of pace and he can't win balls in the air to supply other forwards as Fletcher does. Ward has not been as effective inside the box, though he will be, but outside it he terrifies defences at this level and pulls them all over the place to create openings for others, Jack in particular. His control and shooting from distance are as exciting as anything we've seen at Saltergate for years, and his use of the ball is generally excellent.
You might like to look out for the skills mentioned above when you next attend a game - assuming you've ever attended one before, of course.

[Larkin around]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 12:10 AM, said:

Rooney is a totally different kind of player to Ward. You might even have noticed that yourself? Basically Rooney is a penalty box player and reasonably good in that area as long as somebody else is providing the chances. Outside the box he's short of pace and he can't win balls in the air to supply other forwards as Fletcher does. Ward has not been as effective inside the box, though he will be, but outside it he terrifies defences at this level and pulls them all over the place to create openings for others, Jack in particular. His control and shooting from distance are as exciting as anything we've seen at Saltergate for years, and his use of the ball is generally excellent.
You might like to look out for the skills mentioned above when you next attend a game - assuming you've ever attended one before, of course.

H - You can't seriously be defending the circumstances in which Rooney has left Chesterfield?

Ok, he may not have offered a hell of a lot more, but - ultimately - he scores goals, and he's a striker so brilliant! That's what we needed from him.

No one's suprised he didn't want to stay...the suprise is his limited opportunities since being on loan, and how undeserved those lack of games are. He did nothing wrong, and was a victim of poor man management. Let's face it, we couldn't have had anyone better on loan.

Our squad looks a lot weaker without him.

[h again]

MurrayBu, on Feb 1 2008, 12:16 AM, said:

H - You can't seriously be defending the circumstances in which Rooney has left Chesterfield?

Ok, he may not have offered a hell of a lot more, but - ultimately - he scores goals, and he's a striker so brilliant! That's what we needed from him.

No one's suprised he didn't want to stay...the suprise is his limited opportunities since being on loan, and how undeserved those lack of games are. He did nothing wrong, and was a victim of poor man management. Let's face it, we couldn't have had anyone better on loan.

Our squad looks a lot weaker without him.

As I said - he was fine in the penalty box, but not in the same class as Lester, and nobody these days can afford two purely penalty box players. Outside the box he hadn't the pace to make a big difference, and he couldn't win the ball in the air like Fletcher and be a provider. Therefore he was never going to get a game unless Lester got injured - so it's probably better for all concerned that he gets a chance elsewhere. It's a shame, he looked a good, enthusiastic lad but you can't play everybody, and we have better options.
As for not getting anyone any better - we've had Sammy Clingan, Jamie O'Hara and JCR to mention but a few in recent years. All far better players, and in positions where we needed them. Scoring goals isn't the problem.

[Town_Fan]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 01:06 AM, said:

As I said - he was fine in the penalty box, but not in the same class as Lester, and nobody these days can afford two purely penalty box players. Outside the box he hadn't the pace to make a big difference, and he couldn't win the ball in the air like Fletcher and be a provider. Therefore he was never going to get a game unless Lester got injured - so it's probably better for all concerned that he gets a chance elsewhere. It's a shame, he looked a good, enthusiastic lad but you can't play everybody, and we have better options.
As for not getting anyone any better - we've had Sammy Clingan, Jamie O'Hara and JCR to mention but a few in recent years. All far better players, and in positions where we needed them. Scoring goals isn't the problem.

How many games have we failed to capitalise on chances created and then been caught by the sucker punch. People who score goals take pressure of defenders and Ward / Fletcher havent done enough. Rooney of course also scored goals from outside the box and when given a chance with Lester they worked well together inside the box so what you are saying is incorrect, take the Wrexham away game for example or to a lesser extent Barnet away.

Ward's misses are costing us because we have the problems we have in defence. Those defensive mistakes would be less of an issue if Ward buried alot more of his golden chances. As for his long shots, I bet Rooney has scored more outside the box. I'm afraid the wrong striker left the club today and it will cost us.

[Wooden Spoon]

MurrayBu, on Feb 1 2008, 12:16 AM, said:

H - You can't seriously be defending the circumstances in which Rooney has left Chesterfield?

You failed to see the court jesters strange need to say the opposite for the sake of it?

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 12:10 AM, said:

Rooney is a totally different kind of player to Ward. You might even have noticed that yourself? Basically Rooney is a penalty box player and reasonably good in that area as long as somebody else is providing the chances.

Which begs the questions= Why did LR play him as a winger?

Why have you defended LR when T_F pointed out some of our managers failings, this being one of them?

I know you say the opposite for the sake of it, but now going against yourself?

What a strange and bizzarre man you are.

[Spireite-Karl]

It wasn't that long ago that the oppinion of Rooney was he wasn't good enough and strong enough! The only reason we are having this debate is because Ward has missed a lot of chances and Roo has scored a couple more!

The only thing I would have like to have seen with Rooney is starting more games upfront and that's not his fault it's mainly Jack and Jamie's! He isn't good enough to start in place of one of them! He also struggled at Yoevil too! In all the years I watched town he probably would have had a started up front in all of them apart from this season!

Can't fault the lad for wanting to go else where as he wasn't playing enough football and personally I wish him well and will watch with intrest in how his career develops along side Wards. Thanks Roo and all the best.

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 01 February 2008 - 09:36 AM

[Town_Fan]

Spireite-Karl, on Feb 1 2008, 09:35 AM, said:

It wasn't that long ago that the oppinion of Rooney was he wasn't good enough and strong enough! The only reason we are having this debate is because Ward has missed a lot of chances and Roo has scored a couple more!

The only thing I would have like to have seen with Rooney is starting more games upfront and that's not his fault it's mainly Jack and Jamie's! He isn't good enough to start in place of one of them! He also struggled at Yoevil too! In all the years I watched town he probably would have had a started up front in all of them apart from this season!

Can't fault the lad for wanting to go else where as he wasn't playing enough football and personally I wish him well and will watch with intrest in how his career develops along side Wards. Thanks Roo and all the best.

Rooney always looked more confident when he started. I cant be bothered to work it out but I bet his starts (up front) to goals ratio is probably getting on for a goal a game. What's Ward's goals ratio?

Wasnt our best away victory of the season when Rooney and Lester played together?

[Spireite-Karl]

Town_Fan, on Feb 1 2008, 10:09 AM, said:

Rooney always looked more confident when he started. I cant be bothered to work it out but I bet his starts (up front) to goals ratio is probably getting on for a goal a game. What's Ward's goals ratio?

Wasnt our best away victory of the season when Rooney and Lester played together?

I agree, I'm a little sad we never got to see the true Roo! I would have liked to have tried Ward out wide with Lowry adding more spice in the middle of the park to stop us getting over run, then another pacy winger to really give oppositions defence something to think about! but it never happened and as far as a straight swap for Ward - personally I wouldn't have done it!

[Bugerov]

Spireite-Karl, on Feb 1 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

I agree, I'm a little sad we never got to see the true Roo! I would have liked to have tried Ward out wide with Lowry adding more spice in the middle of the park to stop us getting over run, then another pacy winger to really give oppositions defence something to think about! but it never happened and as far as a straight swap for Ward - personally I wouldn't have done it!

Maybe if Rico had given Rooney a sub role in most games the lad would have felt involved enough to stay till May. Think we have handled this badly

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Feb 1 2008, 01:17 AM, said:

How many games have we failed to capitalise on chances created and then been caught by the sucker punch. People who score goals take pressure of defenders and Ward / Fletcher havent done enough. Rooney of course also scored goals from outside the box and when given a chance with Lester they worked well together inside the box so what you are saying is incorrect, take the Wrexham away game for example or to a lesser extent Barnet away.

Ward's misses are costing us because we have the problems we have in defence. Those defensive mistakes would be less of an issue if Ward buried alot more of his golden chances. As for his long shots, I bet Rooney has scored more outside the box. I'm afraid the wrong striker left the club today and it will cost us.

Exactly. The defence is leaking like a sieve - so the answer is to play an extra forward. A novel approach, but as you're the only one left on here who knows anything about football - by your own admission - it must be the way to go. Kovacs at centre-forward in a 3-3-4 should do the trick.

[h again]

death, on Feb 1 2008, 06:11 AM, said:

Which begs the questions= Why did LR play him as a winger?

Why have you defended LR when T_F pointed out some of our managers failings, this being one of them?

I know you say the opposite for the sake of it, but now going against yourself?

What a strange and bizzarre man you are.

Because he made a mistake - which I criticised on these boards after the MK Dons game, when everybody else was queueing up, you included, to say we were faultless.
It may come as a surprise to you, but it's possible to make a mistake and still be quite good at your job. Rico, like everybody else, except you of course, makes mistakes - whether he's good enough at his job, only time will tell.
Your great friend and mentor, the alleged Town Fan, has not pointed out Rico's failings. He's said he's clueless and should never have been appointed - a very different thing. The fact that you agree with that opinion doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Rick Payne]

Tom CFC, on Jan 31 2008, 09:41 PM, said:

what on earth are we playing at?

First Bastiens, now Rooney.

Jeez, our squad is getting worse and worse.

I've got a bad feeling about this. Here's the scenario. Our last game is against Notts County, Bastiens is on loan there already, I've read somewhere that Rooney is about to join him. Picture this, we need a win to scramble into the playoffs. Jack Lester is suspended, Ward's out injured, but Fletcher has managed to put us 1-0 up. Its the last minute, Bastiens cuts in from the left, Downes trips up, the ball finds it way to Rooney who's already in the box. What happens next ? Best close your eyes and say goodnight!

[h again]

Rick Payne, on Feb 1 2008, 12:37 PM, said:

I've got a bad feeling about this. Here's the scenario. Our last game is against Notts County, Bastiens is on loan there already, I've read somewhere that Rooney is about to join him. Picture this, we need a win to scramble into the playoffs. Jack Lester is suspended, Ward's out injured, but Fletcher has managed to put us 1-0 up. Its the last minute, Bastiens cuts in from the left, Downes trips up, the ball finds it way to Rooney who's already in the box. What happens next ? Best close your eyes and say goodnight!

Play Grey? Who robs Bastiens - not difficult - makes ground, and delivers the perfect long ball for Fletch to nod in. Remember where you heard it first.