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Posted 12 July 2007 - 05:11 PM

See below, you have to laugh:-


''Mark had a year left on his contract and I could have asked him to stay but he would not have been happy. He would have come round eventually – probably in October – but I did not want him sulking around the place. If that had been the case, every negative would have become a big negative.

''It is not good to have lads around who have so clearly stated that they do not want to be here,'' said Richardson.

With Allott's wage back in the pot, Richardson is hoping to attract a central midfielder and another who can play wide left.

''Now Mark has gone, I've got at least one spot to fill and I think we really need two and I've been working hard to bring someone in. I have spoken to a player with a Championship club who does not want to come and another who has been released by a Championship club who is dilly-dallying. And I hope to speak to a Premiership manager about a player,'' said Richardson.



Can we deduce Mark didn't want to play for Rico? I quite like this bit "I've got at least one spot to fill." :blink:
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 05:19 PM

 MP-Spire, on Jul 12 2007, 06:11 PM, said:

With Allott's wage back in the pot, Richardson is hoping to attract a central midfielder and another who can play wide left.



ERRRR.......HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......we needed midfielders before Allot left........this implies that without his wage we would not have been able to bring anoyone in...........if this is true and we spent all our money weeks ago then THIS CLUB IS BEING RUN BY TOOLS.
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 05:57 PM

 MP-Spire, on Jul 12 2007, 06:11 PM, said:

See below, you have to laugh:-
''Mark had a year left on his contract and I could have asked him to stay but he would not have been happy. He would have come round eventually – probably in October – but I did not want him sulking around the place. If that had been the case, every negative would have become a big negative.

''It is not good to have lads around who have so clearly stated that they do not want to be here,'' said Richardson.

With Allott's wage back in the pot, Richardson is hoping to attract a central midfielder and another who can play wide left.

''Now Mark has gone, I've got at least one spot to fill and I think we really need two and I've been working hard to bring someone in. I have spoken to a player with a Championship club who does not want to come and another who has been released by a Championship club who is dilly-dallying. And I hope to speak to a Premiership manager about a player,'' said Richardson.

Can we deduce Mark didn't want to play for Rico? I quite like this bit "I've got at least one spot to fill." :blink:


Allotts move sparks action is the headline,only action i can see them doing is playing bl@@dy GOLF :blink:
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 06:59 PM

There are three issues here as far as i can see:

1. There seems to be a disgraceful attempt being made to put all the blame on Allott for the move. Lines like "...i did not want him sulking around the place. If that had been the case, every negative would have become a big negative." surely question Allott's professionalism and integrity.

2. If we are only after two new midfielders, one of whom will be a wide player, then that leaves us with the same scenario that cost us so dear last season - no competition for places in CM. And what about injuries and/or suspension?

3. Richardson has no-one lined up. He hopes to speak to a Premiership manager, another player is "dilly-dallying" whilst a third doesn't want to come at all. So much for all the optimism and enthusiasm of a few weeks ago.

My conclusion is that Richardson is becoming increasingly desperate, he doesn't really know which way to turn, at best we'll sign only two midfielders when the general concensus seems to be we need more and we can only hope (which is becoming an overused word regarding Town) they're of a decent standard. Slowly but surely all the talk of going straight back up is becoming a distant echo.

Is this the way promotion candidates really prepare?
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 07:31 PM

:blink: We were told that we chased a total of about 12 strikers when looking for cover for Wards injury and failed to get anyone.How many midfielders will we need to chase to forfill our requirements?
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 07:35 PM

Love this club as we may, is it any surprise that Prem & Championship players would not touch us with a barge-pole?

I would suggest we look down instead of up. I am sure there are some incredibly talented midfielders in the conference who would bust a gut to play for us
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 07:41 PM

 S18Spireite, on Jul 12 2007, 08:35 PM, said:

Love this club as we may, is it any surprise that Prem & Championship players would not touch us with a barge-pole?

I would suggest we look down instead of up. I am sure there are some incredibly talented midfielders in the conference who would bust a gut to play for us

thats a good point, why not? less money too, and they would be here to prove themselves!!
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 07:43 PM

 Crooked_Spireite, on Jul 12 2007, 06:19 PM, said:

ERRRR.......HELLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......we needed midfielders before Allot left........this implies that without his wage we would not have been able to bring anoyone in...........if this is true and we spent all our money weeks ago then THIS CLUB IS BEING RUN BY TOOLS.

You have only just realised?
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 07:50 PM

 fishini, on Jul 12 2007, 08:43 PM, said:

You have only just realised?



Yeah I've been away for a while in a land of optimism, you should come join sometime, it's lovely this time of the year.

 S18Spireite, on Jul 12 2007, 08:35 PM, said:

Love this club as we may, is it any surprise that Prem & Championship players would not touch us with a barge-pole?

I would suggest we look down instead of up. I am sure there are some incredibly talented midfielders in the conference who would bust a gut to play for us



Agree completely. Although Peterborough are currently making a concerted effort to sign the entire non-league playing staff so we may be faced with competition.
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Posted 12 July 2007 - 07:51 PM

[quote name='Crooked_Spireite' date='Jul 12 2007, 08:50 PM' post='170257']
Yeah I've been away for a while in a land of optimism, you should come join sometime, it's lovely this time of the year.
Much prefer the land of realism
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Posted 13 July 2007 - 10:08 PM

 MP-Spire, on Jul 12 2007, 06:11 PM, said:

See below, you have to laugh:-
[i]''Mark had a year left on his contract and I could have asked him to stay but he would not have been happy. He would have come round eventually – probably in October – but I did not want him sulking around the place. If that had been the case, every negative would have become a big negative.

''It is not good to have lads around who have so clearly stated that they do not want to be here,'' said Richardson.

Can we deduce Mark didn't want to play for Rico? I quite like this bit "I've got at least one spot to fill." :(


No, we can't deduce that he didn't want to play for Rico; just that he didn't want to play for Chesterfield. What is interesting though is that Rico could have said all this when the story first broke, but his line then was that he wanted to hold out for more cash.
My hope is that this is an example of Rico responding to the wise advice of the Chairman, just flown back from his holiday, experienced in hundreds of situations like this over the years, who has advised him that this is more to be lost in terms of morale and team spirit than there is gained either by pleading with Allott to stay, or waiting for a better offer which may never come.
Surely Allott was due to have been relieved of the Club captaincy.
How many players, at any club, have contentedly played on after being relieved of such a prestigious status?. That, in itself, would be sufficient grounds for a major sulk.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 01:30 AM

 dim view, on Jul 13 2007, 11:08 PM, said:

No, we can't deduce that he didn't want to play for Rico; .



given the comment that allott had been unsettled for a year or more it would suggest rico has nothing to do with it what so ever.
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 07:04 PM

 death, on Jul 14 2007, 02:30 AM, said:

given the comment that allott had been unsettled for a year or more it would suggest rico has nothing to do with it what so ever.

Probaly saw what the most of this board missed or ignored that contary to belief the club had not moved forward whatsoever
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:32 PM

 fishini, on Jul 14 2007, 08:04 PM, said:

Probaly saw what the most of this board missed or ignored that contary to belief the club had not moved forward whatsoever


Will you be moving forward one of these days, or do you plan to go on spouting this stuff for evermore?
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:39 PM

 h again, on Jul 14 2007, 09:32 PM, said:

Will you be moving forward one of these days, or do you plan to go on spouting this stuff for evermore?

Yeah until the club moves forward or the Hubbard leaves the club or passes away which ever comes first !!! Got a problem Jester my old street urchin I seem to rile you a lot :lol:

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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:40 PM

 dim view, on Jul 13 2007, 11:08 PM, said:

No, we can't deduce that he didn't want to play for Rico; just that he didn't want to play for Chesterfield. What is interesting though is that Rico could have said all this when the story first broke, but his line then was that he wanted to hold out for more cash.
My hope is that this is an example of Rico responding to the wise advice of the Chairman, just flown back from his holiday, experienced in hundreds of situations like this over the years, who has advised him that this is more to be lost in terms of morale and team spirit than there is gained either by pleading with Allott to stay, or waiting for a better offer which may never come.
Surely Allott was due to have been relieved of the Club captaincy.
How many players, at any club, have contentedly played on after being relieved of such a prestigious status?. That, in itself, would be sufficient grounds for a major sulk.



Or perhaps another scenario: Richardson becomes increasingly desperate to bolster a totally inadequate midfield; for one reason or another there's no money to do so; the only way to generate funds is to accept a derisory offer for our Captain and a proven League One performer so we do so and then make disgraceful suggestions alluding to Allott's lack of character and professionalism.

And hey, if this situation has been on the cards for sometime, as Richardson infers, why has no replacement for Allott been brought in over the last week? Shouldn't Richardson have had targets lined up?

Maybe he needs more of Hubbard's "wise advice".
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Posted 14 July 2007 - 08:43 PM

 ChrisSnell, on Jul 14 2007, 09:40 PM, said:

Or perhaps another scenario: Richardson becomes increasingly desperate to bolster a totally inadequate midfield; for one reason or another there's no money to do so; the only way to generate funds is to accept a derisory offer for our Captain and a proven League One performer so we do so and then make disgraceful suggestions alluding to Allott's lack of character and professionalism.

And hey, if this situation has been on the cards for sometime, as Richardson infers, why has no replacement for Allott been brought in over the last week? Shouldn't Richardson have had targets lined up?

Maybe he needs more of Hubbard's "wise advice".

:lol: :lol: Like it mate Hubbard and advice in the same sentence, what a laugh :lol: :lol: He has got years of twaddle to offer people, and most on here believe it :lol:
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 10:57 AM

 ChrisSnell, on Jul 14 2007, 09:40 PM, said:

Or perhaps another scenario: Richardson becomes increasingly desperate to bolster a totally inadequate midfield; for one reason or another there's no money to do so; the only way to generate funds is to accept a derisory offer for our Captain and a proven League One performer so we do so and then make disgraceful suggestions alluding to Allott's lack of character and professionalism.

And hey, if this situation has been on the cards for sometime, as Richardson infers, why has no replacement for Allott been brought in over the last week? Shouldn't Richardson have had targets lined up?

Maybe he needs more of Hubbard's "wise advice".


Hmmm. I don't see any evidence of increased desperation, or disgraceful suggestions, or a derisory offer, or that Allott had been re-appointed Captain.
This isn't Rant or Rave is it?.

Pure guesswork, but perhaps Rico believes that with the increased quality in other key positions and a change in style, existing players can do an effective midfield job. It seems a bit bizarre to want to bring in a like for like player when Allott's style made us completely ineffective. I'd like to make the disgraceful suggestion that I'd rather have a Tartt than an Allott in my team any day. Perhaps Davies, Lowery, Shaw, Robertson, or somebody else will step in. They can't do any worse.
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 11:05 AM

There's always the chance that Allott was illegally tapped up by another Club and offered him much more money, a longer deal and a higher level of football just up the road from where he lives, all of which manifested itself in grumpiness aimed at bettering his family's interests. It's just normal football, nothing to do with not wanting to play here or there of for so and so.
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Posted 15 July 2007 - 12:22 PM

 dim view, on Jul 15 2007, 11:57 AM, said:

Hmmm. I don't see any evidence of increased desperation, or disgraceful suggestions, or a derisory offer, or that Allott had been re-appointed Captain.
This isn't Rant or Rave is it?.

Pure guesswork, but perhaps Rico believes that with the increased quality in other key positions and a change in style, existing players can do an effective midfield job. It seems a bit bizarre to want to bring in a like for like player when Allott's style made us completely ineffective. I'd like to make the disgraceful suggestion that I'd rather have a Tartt than an Allott in my team any day. Perhaps Davies, Lowery, Shaw, Robertson, or somebody else will step in. They can't do any worse.



Dim view:
Evidence that the situation is desperate can be found by taking into account the number of recognised/experienced/established midfielders we have (1), adding the fact that there's less than four weeks to go until the first game, then remembering Richardson's comments about looking at trialists but having no money to bring anyone in. Of course that's now changed slightly since Allott's departure but when i read that the Manager is only looking to bring in two players and of those he's offered terms to one's turned us down flat whilst another is "dilly-dallying", i'm hardly reassured.

"Mark had a year left on his contract and i could have asked him to stay but he would not have been happy. He would have come round eventually - probably in October (why October?) - but i did not want him sulking around the place. If that had been the case, every negative would have become a big negative.". That's pretty clear evidence to me that Richardson is attempting to not only blame Allott for the move, but to question his professionalism and character. And this a player with so little character and professionalism he was made Captain last season.

Of course no-one knows what the fee we recieved actually was, but the comments on the Oldham web site allied to Richardson's "It's undisclosed because we didn't want to disclose it" clearly suggest it was less than a proven League 1 midfielder and our Team Captain should be worth.


By the way, perhaps it's a good job this isn't "Rant or Rave" as there'd no doubt be a queue of callers expressing their disgust at what a mess we appear to be in!
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