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Posted 12 February 2025 - 04:42 PM

 Misnomer, on 12 February 2025 - 12:45 PM, said:

No, but he used several and one in particular, to spin his moneymaking bs.

I would like to see the methodology and data for the CO? levels. That said, it doesn't mean CO? is the driver for increased temperatures.

Throughout its existence, the planet has cooled and warmed - in conjunction with natural increases and decreases in CO? levels. However, throw some man-made sh?t into the atmosphere and I'm sure it'll also have an impact, but to what end? It simply cannot be accurately measured and then singularly targeted as the sole cause. But it certainly can be used as a driver for fear and to make a lot of money.

Every science paper on this subject says: the belief is; the theory is; the prediction is; the modelling suggests; the hypothesis is....

Here's a classic example: 'In fact, before human-caused warming began, scientists believe the Earth was roughly due to enter a cooling cycle (although research to confirm this is ongoing).' Why make such a statement without having the evidence to substantiate the claim? Because, it makes the current narrative sound even worse - what, we were actually going into an ice age, and now humans have forced a warming trend!

For the last 50 years, global temperature rose at an average rate of about 0.13?C (around one-quarter degree Fahrenheit) per decade-almost twice as fast as the 0.07?C per decade increase observed over the previous half-century. In the next 20 years, scientists project that global average temperature will rise by around 0.2?C (about one-third of a degree Fahrenheit) per decade. That's all great, but where's the transparency; where were the measurements taken, by what method, by what equipment, by who, etc, etc....

I'll keep going back to COVID; the science says.... and who is the 'science'. It's easy to claim anything without transparency.

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue
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Posted 13 February 2025 - 05:53 PM

 fishini, on 12 February 2025 - 04:42 PM, said:

Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue


That's correct but, I can doubt the evidence; especially, when there's no transparency.

Do you remember how you were over COVID, and then little by little, as more evidence emerged, you changed your view.
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Posted 14 February 2025 - 03:34 AM

View PostMisnomer, on 13 February 2025 - 05:53 PM, said:

That's correct but, I can doubt the evidence; especially, when there's no transparency.

Do you remember how you were over COVID, and then little by little, as more evidence emerged, you changed your view.

You must be thinking of someone else. Definitely not me.
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Posted 14 February 2025 - 11:49 AM

View Postfishini, on 14 February 2025 - 03:34 AM, said:

You must be thinking of someone else. Definitely not me.


It was 100% you. Especially, regarding the efficacy of the vaccines and boosters.

A quote from you:

Vaccines don't stop you catching COVID or transmitting it. This is now fact backed up direct from the vaccine manufacturers. Evidence shows that Omicron is not pleasant but in the vast majority is not lethal. So if you haven't any underlying health issues why would you need a vaccine? Do you believe in vaccinating children?

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Posted 14 February 2025 - 01:12 PM

View PostMisnomer, on 14 February 2025 - 11:49 AM, said:

It was 100% you. Especially, regarding the efficacy of the vaccines and boosters.

A quote from you:

Vaccines don't stop you catching COVID or transmitting it. This is now fact backed up direct from the vaccine manufacturers. Evidence shows that Omicron is not pleasant but in the vast majority is not lethal. So if you haven't any underlying health issues why would you need a vaccine? Do you believe in vaccinating children?

Can't remember saying that. If I did please take me to my post. Then I will accept it. I will say I never believed in vaccinating children. I can't remember anyone said that vaccines stop you getting it. There are no vaccines that do that as far as I know

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Posted 14 February 2025 - 06:34 PM

View Postfishini, on 14 February 2025 - 01:12 PM, said:

Can't remember saying that. If I did please take me to my post. Then I will accept it. I will say I never believed in vaccinating children. I can't remember anyone said that vaccines stop you getting it. There are no vaccines that do that as far as I know


Well, I haven't made it up. You were massively pro vaccine, to start with.

29 October 2022 - 10:54 AM COVID thread.

Here's another one of yours. Ironic, considering that's my whole point on this thread, about trusting data that has no transparency.

12 March 2020 - 06:33 PM

'The scientific community that will say what it's told to say by its paymasters.'
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Posted 14 February 2025 - 07:11 PM

View PostMisnomer, on 14 February 2025 - 06:34 PM, said:

Well, I haven't made it up. You were massively pro vaccine, to start with.

29 October 2022 - 10:54 AM COVID thread.

Here's another one of yours. Ironic, considering that's my whole point on this thread, about trusting data that has no transparency.

12 March 2020 - 06:33 PM

'The scientific community that will say what it's told to say by its paymasters.'

Why just use one line of my post? Here is the full post. Reads a little different.

The scientific community that will say what it's told to say by its paymasters. Things will however be done when it's too late. The Irish listened to Thier scientific advisers and made a different decision, as it seems did the Scots. So England's advisers are correct and the others are wrong ? Economics over safety maybe. I wouldn't believe the liar if he told me black was black.

My views on the vaccine did change as time went on. Would I have had it with these veiws? Definitely. Did you need all the boosters? I didn't but many did. Am I an anti vaxxer? No. Are you? The parents that give them the COVID jab are not wrong to do so. The ones that refuse the MMR, meningitis, polio, HPV, IPV etc are imo idiots

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Posted 14 February 2025 - 07:36 PM

View Postfishini, on 14 February 2025 - 07:11 PM, said:

Why just use one line of my post? Here is the full post. Reads a little different.

The scientific community that will say what it's told to say by its paymasters. Things will however be done when it's too late. The Irish listened to Thier scientific advisers and made a different decision, as it seems did the Scots. So England's advisers are correct and the others are wrong ? Economics over safety maybe. I wouldn't believe the liar if he told me black was black


Because, the opening gambit of your post is very significant, don't you think?
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Posted 14 February 2025 - 07:44 PM

View Postfishini, on 14 February 2025 - 07:11 PM, said:

Why just use one line of my post? Here is the full post. Reads a little different.

The scientific community that will say what it's told to say by its paymasters. Things will however be done when it's too late. The Irish listened to Thier scientific advisers and made a different decision, as it seems did the Scots. So England's advisers are correct and the others are wrong ? Economics over safety maybe. I wouldn't believe the liar if he told me black was black.

My views on the vaccine did change as time went on. Would I have had it with these veiws? Definitely. Did you need all the boosters? I didn't but many did. Am I an anti vaxxer? No. Are you? The parents that give them the COVID jab are not wrong to do so. The ones that refuse the MMR, meningitis, polio, HPV, IPV etc are imo idiots


You'd still have it, knowing it doesn't protect you, it doesn't stop it spreading, it doesn't stop you transfering it, you'll still get ill - as much as if you'd had it? And, the distinct possibility that the vaccine/boosters could adversely affect your cardiovascular system?

Ok, fair enough.

Anyway, we aren't going down that rabbit hell hole again. You denied saying what you did, I directed you to the post you made, end of the discussion.
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