[fishini]

Hird / Cooper v Evatt / Cooper. No brainer now if Hird and Cooper are fit and available

[martatcross]

fishini, on 05 October 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Hird / Cooper v Evatt / Cooper. No brainer now if Hird and Cooper are fit and available

sorry but its wrong to blame EVO

[brianclose]

martatcross, on 05 October 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

sorry but its wrong to blame EVO

I agree you cant judge Evo on one game. Having now seen the goals he didn't look culpable for any apart from maybe the first and even then Ellison ghosted in on his blindside - was nowhere near as bad as has been suggested.

[fishini]

brianclose, on 06 October 2013 - 01:04 AM, said:

I agree you cant judge Evo on one game. Having now seen the goals he didn't look culpable for any apart from maybe the first and even then Ellison ghosted in on his blindside - was nowhere near as bad as has been suggested.

Not saying that Evo was at fault as I didn't go to the match. Just saying Cooper/Hird let 4 goals in 9 matches and Evo/Cooper concede 4 in one game. PC should not have tried to fix something that was not broken

[Westbars Spireite]

If Drew had been fit I dare say he'd have left it alone.

[spyright]

I wasn't there either but my initial reaction was the same as that expressed in the OP by Fishini. Where are all those crying out for Hird to be dropped to make way for Evatt now? Ok, so it isn't sensible to judge a player on one game and I don't know whether or not Evatt was personally at fault for any of the goals, but, at the risk of stating the blindingly obvious, something sure as hell went badly wrong in the second half! Perhaps our squad depth isn't quite as strong as we all thought?

[fatfrank]

fishini, on 06 October 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Not saying that Evo was at fault as I didn't go to the match. Just saying Cooper/Hird let 4 goals in 9 matches and Evo/Cooper concede 4 in one game. PC should not have tried to fix something that was not broken

The thing is something was broken namely Drew is injured so it was either move Hird to right back and bring Evo in or put Tendayi at right back and maybe start Devit. Maybe PC made the wrong choice but I would say giving the club captain a chance was the right choice.

[BlueRover52]

The failure yesterday wasn't down to just one player.FFS we went in at halftime 3 up and bothe JOS and Doyle had good chances in the secondhalf.But the whole side just collapsed.Yes Evo has to shoulder some responsibilty for their first and the leadership on the field in general but it's his first game in this division and think he may have learnt a lot.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

BlueRover52, on 06 October 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

The failure yesterday wasn't down to just one player.FFS we went in at halftime 3 up and bothe JOS and Doyle had good chances in the secondhalf.But the whole side just collapsed.Yes Evo has to shoulder some responsibilty for their first and the leadership on the field in general but it's his first game in this division and think he may have learnt a lot.

Having not gone yesterday, I'm struggling to understand this talk of us collapsing, it's certainly not a characteristic of the side I've seen this season.

I think I've made my position clear regarding the partnership of Hird & Cooper, it shouldn't have been touched, but that change doesn't really explain yesterday's scoreline.

At home, I've noticed Cook tell the players to ease off & calm the game down at times, were we guilty of that from the off in the second half?

[metallilad]

fishini, on 06 October 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

Not saying that Evo was at fault as I didn't go to the match. Just saying Cooper/Hird let 4 goals in 9 matches and Evo/Cooper concede 4 in one game. PC should not have tried to fix something that was not broken

Fishini. If he'd not put Evatt in and we had lost the match you would've been posting up along with dozens of others that he should have been included. You know it.
Hindsight = criticism.

[azul]

Westbars Spireite, on 06 October 2013 - 08:29 AM, said:

If Drew had been fit I dare say he'd have left it alone.

Of course he would and Evatt would be making his debut on Tuesday night.

Talbot brings more than just his ability, he brings balance, but no way does that explain the shambles that occurred

As it happened with a massive dollop of hindsight straight swap (Darikwa for Talbot) might have been better,

[BlueRover52]

freelander2, on 06 October 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Having not gone yesterday, I'm struggling to understand this talk of us collapsing, it's certainly not a characteristic of the side I've seen this season.

I think I've made my position clear regarding the partnership of Hird & Cooper, it shouldn't have been touched, but that change doesn't really explain yesterday's scoreline.

At home, I've noticed Cook tell the players to ease off & calm the game down at times, were we guilty of that from the off in the second half?

Did quite a bit of that.It needed some level headness out there on the pitch yesterday to slow things down and take the sting out of their play.

[dtp]

I'm with Cookie on this one - there was nothing wrong with his selection in the first 45 minutes. Last week's squanderer of chances got 2, Tendayi made one for McSheffrey, who came in for Roberts, and the defence let no goals in.

I don't know what was said at half-time but it seems to me that we came out thinking the game was won and not to make sure it was. They got 2 fairly quick goals which, after having a blatant penalty decision go their way after out third goal, encouraged them into thinking it could be their day - and it was.

Clearly, we messed up big time, but not down to Cook's initial team selection more to do with a lack of professionalism in not seeing the game out.

[fishini]

metallilad, on 06 October 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

Fishini. If he'd not put Evatt in and we had lost the match you would've been posting up along with dozens of others that he should have been included. You know it.
Hindsight = criticism.

You can read my mind now? Wow no end to your skills The reality is that I wouldn't I don't think we needed Evo. We have Hird/Cooper/Brown/Edwards. You will not find any post saying how glad I was that he's re signed. That said it doesn't mean he's a bad signing just not needed. We are a relatively quick team and Evo has no pace at all, he is injury prone now and past his best I would imagine. I am not a fan of bring ex players back too many fans remember them from their earlier days and think nothing will have changed. Have we not been down this road with an ex CB who was great the first time and really poor on his return? You know who I am on about.

This post has been edited by fishini: 06 October 2013 - 05:50 PM

[kh83]

I'm not blaming evo but no body can deny that breaking up a CB pairing that has only conceded 4 goals all season, when he didn't need to was a mistake on PC's part.

[Spireite-Karl]

fishini, on 06 October 2013 - 05:45 PM, said:

You can read my mind now? Wow no end to your skills The reality is that I wouldn't I don't think we needed Evo. We have Hird/Cooper/Brown/Edwards. You will not find any post saying how glad I was that he's re signed. That said it doesn't mean he's a bad signing just not needed. We are a relatively quick team and Evo has no pace at all, he is injury prone now and past his best I would imagine. I am not a fan of bring ex players back too many fans remember them from their earlier days and think nothing will have changed. Have we not been down this road with an ex CB who was great the first time and really poor on his return? You know who I am on about.

You make a good point though it doesn't mean that all ex players are going to turn out poor, but I can see where you are coming from.
Again, not saying it's Evatt's fault, but to answer the hindsight problem I was shocked at watching Evatt in the Notts highlights and Cook watched the whole game, so either I saw Evatt's worse bits or Cook got it badly wrong.

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 06 October 2013 - 07:04 PM

[firedodger]

fishini, on 05 October 2013 - 05:51 PM, said:

Hird / Cooper v Evatt / Cooper. No brainer now if Hird and Cooper are fit and available

Out of interest what makes cooper untouchable in all this?
Isn't there an option 3 of hird and evatt?

[kh83]

firedodger, on 06 October 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Out of interest what makes cooper untouchable in all this?
Isn't there an option 3 of hird and evatt?

Cooper and hird have been a solid CB pairing in a team that's conceded only 4 goals in 10 games and blitzed its way to the top of the league. IMO, this makes them both untouchable.... Doesn't matter if we've got John terry on the bench, you don't break the partnership if you don't have to.

[fishini]

firedodger, on 06 October 2013 - 07:18 PM, said:

Out of interest what makes cooper untouchable in all this?
Isn't there an option 3 of hird and evatt?

Nothing at all I suppose other than he the best CB at the club and when playing with Hird we conceded 4 goals one of which was a penalty so only 3 from open play. Why change Hird and Cooper to accommodate a slightly over the hill Evo. PC has signed young Brown as CB cover I would much prefer to see him learn his trade rather than Evo playing his career to an end

[60s 70s Spireite]

fishini, on 06 October 2013 - 07:25 PM, said:

Nothing at all I suppose other than he the best CB at the club and when playing with Hird we conceded 4 goals one of which was a penalty so only 3 from open play. Why change Hird and Cooper to accommodate a slightly over the hill Evo. PC has signed young Brown as CB cover I would much prefer to see him learn his trade rather than Evo playing his career to an end

There you've dared to say it. And its what I have been thinking. Certain folk have banged on about bringing back Evatt, a player who hasn't played first class football for nearly a year, to replace a man on top of his game, who formed part of a defence who had conceded four league goals.

Last time I saw Evatt in a live match on TV, he looked rather slow, and he aint going to get any quicker. The hope clearly is that his experience and ability to read a game will get him through, but I don't see it as a given. Meanwhile, for me, its back to Hird and Cooper next week.