[oohwallerwaller]

Should PC have changed our CH pairing? Personally I'd have tried Darikwa at right back and Devitt on the Right wing.

[DMU Blue]

Went with the back 4 i'd have picked at 3pm. worked fine until half time. It sounded like the whole team collapsed. It will be interesting to see what those who went made of things.

[Sabreman]

DMU Blue, on 05 October 2013 - 04:26 PM, said:

Went with the back 4 i'd have picked at 3pm. worked fine until half time. It sounded like the whole team collapsed. It will be interesting to see what those who went made of things.

He got it right first 45 but we imploded the second, me personally I wouldn't have changed the Hird/Cooper partnership and that is a genuine comment. Cooky owes all of us an explanation so do the players, it's going to be a long trip home for the fellow Spireites who made the effort. I hope the players, take a long hard look at themselves on the way home.

[azul]

oohwallerwaller, on 05 October 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Should PC have changed our CH pairing? Personally I'd have tried Darikwa at right back and Devitt on the Right wing.

In retrospect?

[oohwallerwaller]

Sabreman, on 05 October 2013 - 04:29 PM, said:

He got it right first 45 but we imploded the second, me personally I wouldn't have changed the Hird/Cooper partnership and that is a genuine comment. Cooky owes all of us an explanation so do the players, it's going to be a long trip home for the fellow Spireites who made the effort. I hope the players, take a long hard look at themselves on the way home.

I agree, all was fine and dandy in the heart of our defence in the first half but did the lack of familiarity cost us second half when we were under the cosh??

[metallilad]

No. 1st half it worked. 2nd half it didn't.
Attitudes must have got in the way of a fantastic result, not the inclusion of Evatt.

[Theloanranger]

To blame it all on Cook would be slightly unfair,though why he chose to split the central defensive pairing when he didn,t have to requires an explanation only he can give.There was no rhyme or reason to do it other than he was obviously busting a gut to play Evatt. Perhaps some people will now remove their rose tinted glasses regarding Evatt,a player we never really needed in the first place,is well past his prime,injury prone and who must be one of the high earners at the club. Sometimes you can have too much competition for places. Even so, surrendering a 3-0 lead is inexcusable no matter who may be playing. Last week was unlucky,this week was sheer carelesness,another defeat next week and some serious questions may start to be asked.

[daveali]

I don't believe people are questioning Sir Cooky we were just unlucky and everything is great. We will win the league by a mile, next year we will be promoted by Xmas and then on to the prem and champions league, May struggle to win it at the first attempt but we will be ok. Ahh that's better I nearly had a negative thought after today. carn't have that can we LOL

I don't think cook got it wrong we all wanted evo in the team first half proved it was ok we just thought we had it in the bag and stopped doing the thing that got us into the good position.. still a concern that we let it happen....please don't slag me off because I have a concern. As if I give a S**t chill

[Spireite-Karl]

Theloanranger, on 05 October 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

To blame it all on Cook would be slightly unfair,though why he chose to split the central defensive pairing when he didn,t have to requires an explanation only he can give.There was no rhyme or reason to do it other than he was obviously busting a gut to play Evatt. Perhaps some people will now remove their rose tinted glasses regarding Evatt,a player we never really needed in the first place,is well past his prime,injury prone and who must be one of the high earners at the club. Sometimes you can have too much competition for places. Even so, surrendering a 3-0 lead is inexcusable no matter who may be playing. Last week was unlucky,this week was sheer carelesness,another defeat next week and some serious questions may start to be asked.

I didn't go so I can't really comment on Evatt and it's unfair to single him out. But you do have a point and it'll be interesting to a) see the extended match highlights and b) listen to Cook's post match interview and c) See what side and tactics he goes with next week and how they perform.

[In cook we trust]

Didn't get it wrong as first half shows just took foot of the gas and by time we relies it was too late n we couldn't stop the goals goin in

[Spired]

seems to me that the players lost this not the manager

[fishini]

oohwallerwaller, on 05 October 2013 - 04:23 PM, said:

Should PC have changed our CH pairing? Personally I'd have tried Darikwa at right back and Devitt on the Right wing.

Not being a manager I don't know what his thinking was. There will be times when out CB's will not be able to play together through injuries and suspensions today was not one of those days. All we needed was some one to fill in at RB IMO TD was that man. There was no need IMO to make 2 changes to our back 4 just to accommodate Evatt. It scares me a little that a winning team can be so upset with just 2 changes in players. If we cannot make these sort of small changes to the side then we could be in big trouble

[Wooden Spoon]

Theloanranger, on 05 October 2013 - 04:46 PM, said:

To blame it all on Cook would be slightly unfair,though why he chose to split the central defensive pairing when he didn,t have to requires an explanation only he can give.There was no rhyme or reason to do it other than he was obviously busting a gut to play Evatt. Perhaps some people will now remove their rose tinted glasses regarding Evatt,a player we never really needed in the first place,is well past his prime,injury prone and who must be one of the high earners at the club. Sometimes you can have too much competition for places. Even so, surrendering a 3-0 lead is inexcusable no matter who may be playing. Last week was unlucky,this week was sheer carelesness,another defeat next week and some serious questions may start to be asked.

I think there has been an element of wanting to get Evatt into the starting 11, and the injury to Drew was the perfect opportunity to do this. TBH, I would have expected him to move Hird, who has been our best CB, to RB and bring IE into the side. It makes perfect sense and was the obvious thing to do.

I said on other threads, Hird, has been our in form CB, and also questioned if IE was the player he was. However, I`m not looking to blame IE for the result.

I think the whole side thought they had it won, while the shrimpers came out and thought, "right then, lets really go for it for 10 mins and see what happens". well it happened. Evatt needs to play at failed mill, if for no other reason than match fitness.

Next league game, I would go with the back 4 that did well in the first 8 games though.

[Misnomer]

death, on 05 October 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

I think there has been an element of wanting to get Evatt into the starting 11, and the injury to Drew was the perfect opportunity to do this. TBH, I would have expected him to move Hird, who has been our best CB, to RB and bring IE into the side. It makes perfect sense and was the obvious thing to do.

I said on other threads, Hird, has been our in form CB, and also questioned if IE was the player he was. However, I`m not looking to blame IE for the result.

I think the whole side thought they had it won, while the shrimpers came out and thought, "right then, lets really go for it for 10 mins and see what happens". well it happened. Evatt needs to play at failed mill, if for no other reason than match fitness.

Next league game, I would go with the back 4 that did well in the first 8 games though.

As a player and manager, I cannot ever remember a time. (except ten nil up with 5 min to go) when i've thought job done at three nil up at half time; that's just nonsensical to me. Eleven players don't all simultaneaously have a period of complacency; it's the manager's job to observe the weak areas and adjust accordingly (if feasible).

[azul]

death, on 05 October 2013 - 05:50 PM, said:

I think there has been an element of wanting to get Evatt into the starting 11, and the injury to Drew was the perfect opportunity to do this. TBH, I would have expected him to move Hird, who has been our best CB, to RB and bring IE into the side. It makes perfect sense and was the obvious thing to do.

I said on other threads, Hird, has been our in form CB, and also questioned if IE was the player he was. However, I`m not looking to blame IE for the result.

I think the whole side thought they had it won, while the shrimpers came out and thought, "right then, lets really go for it for 10 mins and see what happens". well it happened. Evatt needs to play at failed mill, if for no other reason than match fitness.

Next league game, I would go with the back 4 that did well in the first 8 games though.

Well it was Cook's was adamant that Evatt was ready and if he was it was a blindingly obvious choice, so why the debate about that

He had to get match time sooner or later and this was the time

If he wasn't ready then it is Cook's fault, but can the result really put down to the inclusion of Evatt

[rc1979]

We were 3-0 up Ffs!!!!!! Any half decent cb pairing should be able to win this game at that score. Im certain mdcxlllliv and bonnyman would see the game out with that lead! Lets get a reality chech here. It's the players fault for not seeing it out

[BlueRover52]

The whole team let themselves down not just the CB pairing.They collapsed as a unit and unfortunately PC's subs didn't improve matters.

[LuSiVe]

I thought the subs unsettled us more than them (for the second week running) ... I'm not even sure they knew who was defending where when Edwards came on ...

[SpireRam]

They were crap and how they scored 4 past us is beyond me. Can't single Evo out but he disappointed me today. From my view was at fault for the first but I may be wrong. After that you could blame anyone on the pitch for the goals. It was just shambles. Every time they had a set piece I thought they would score. Back to Cooper and Hird for me (for now) but I would play Evo at the stags for first team match fitness

[dim view]

BlueRover52, on 05 October 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

The whole team let themselves down not just the CB pairing.They collapsed as a unit and unfortunately PC's subs didn't improve matters.

well, I've only just got in and read the details but without seeing any of the goals, I'll bet that it's the change in the relationship between the goalie and the back 4 that has been disturbed.

Tommy's handed the organisation to Evatt. The back 4 is expecting more direction from the goalie, and the result is chaos. The extended highlights should be riveting. I can't find a single post laying the blame on Tommy. Let's see.