[Hector]

djs, on 09 May 2013 - 03:23 PM, said:

I'm pleased the club has stuck to its guns as far as the wage cap and the lad isn't coming here under those terms! The attitude of some players thinking that they can hold clubs to ransom to triple their wages or more is beyond stupidity. Agents or not the player has the last word on this and they are the ones that decide their own fate! TBH there hasn't been alot of managers kicking down his door or it'd have been all over the media at his club. And we never heard of him before Cookie came here. I don't believe that the squad need to rush out and get alot of the req'd assets to sustain an assault on L2 next season. There are players out there as good as and alot that are better than Boco out there.
I'm not that impressed by him to pay stupid wages for his services! We already been bitten more than once by that senario over the last few years!
Well done to the club for making a stance on this. Its a shame one or two don't/didn't do this. There'd be less administration/bankruptcy problems in English football if they did/had.

Its time for players and their agents to take a reality check - gates are down, corporate & sponsorship are probably down so how can they expect wages to go up? Swindon evidently tried to buy their way out of L1 last year spending £4m (watch this space), Portsmouth have done it, Leeds Utd tried to do it along with many other high-profile clubs and they all failed leading to un-serviceable debts and years of decline. We have set a budget and must stick to it and Cook's experience of wheeling and dealing at Accrington fits in perfectly with this. Let the prima-donnas go and bankrupt some other club.

[Beelzebub]

Hector, on 09 May 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Let the prima-donnas go and bankrupt some other club.

rotherham please

[azul]

Hector, on 09 May 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Its time for players and their agents to take a reality check - gates are down, corporate & sponsorship are probably down so how can they expect wages to go up? Swindon evidently tried to buy their way out of L1 last year spending £4m (watch this space), Portsmouth have done it, Leeds Utd tried to do it along with many other high-profile clubs and they all failed leading to un-serviceable debts and years of decline. We have set a budget and must stick to it and Cook's experience of wheeling and dealing at Accrington fits in perfectly with this. Let the prima-donnas go and bankrupt some other club.

I'm sure everyone agrees and are singing form the same song sheet at the moment.

But say the policy backfires and by mid July no significant signings have been brought in!

I wonder how many of us will be singing from that song sheet

[SpireiteFitzy]

azul, on 09 May 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I'm sure everyone agrees and are singing form the same song sheet at the moment.

But say the policy backfires and by mid July no significant signings have been brought in!

I wonder how many of us will be singing from that song sheet

Therein lies the problem. Would we be happy to spend carefully and watch 4 teams next season go all guns blazing and get promotion whilst we missed out? I'd be happy with that but would those fans wanting automatic promotion be

This is only a theoretical question by the way.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

Hector, on 09 May 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Its time for players and their agents to take a reality check - gates are down, corporate & sponsorship are probably down so how can they expect wages to go up? Swindon evidently tried to buy their way out of L1 last year spending £4m (watch this space), Portsmouth have done it, Leeds Utd tried to do it along with many other high-profile clubs and they all failed leading to un-serviceable debts and years of decline. We have set a budget and must stick to it and Cook's experience of wheeling and dealing at Accrington fits in perfectly with this. Let the prima-donnas go and bankrupt some other club.

Given the player's position & mindful of our interest, I can understand his demands.

I don't know much about the player and having not seen their game up here this season, it's hard for me to comment, but looking at Boco's profile, he's 28 this year, had numerous clubs and his career has still to take off. I just wonder if this season was a bit of a one off for him.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

azul, on 09 May 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I'm sure everyone agrees and are singing form the same song sheet at the moment.

But say the policy backfires and by mid July no significant signings have been brought in!

I wonder how many of us will be singing from that song sheet

Most will nod like dogs at the beginning & then stick the boot in if it doesn't work out!

Summer '11 - The majority of supporters thought that we recruited on the cheap.

Summer '12 - The majority of supporters regarded the 'premium' signings of Hird, Togwell & Richards, limited loans, quality over quantity, etc, as the way forward.

Summer '13 - The majority of supporters consider last summer's signings to be too expensive for a club of our size and now support a policy to recruit young, hungry players on nominal basic wages, supported with bonuses relating to performances, results & league position.

Summer '14 - ?

[Bankrobber]

freelander2, on 09 May 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Most will nod like dogs at the beginning & then stick the boot in if it doesn't work out!

Summer '11 - The majority of supporters thought that we recruited on the cheap.

Summer '12 - The majority of supporters regarded the 'premium' signings of Hird, Togwell & Richards, limited loans, quality over quantity, etc, as the way forward.

Summer '13 - The majority of supporters consider last summer's signings to be too expensive for a club of our size and now support a policy to recruit young, hungry players on nominal basic wages, supported with bonuses relating to performances, results & league position.

Summer '14 - ?

Then we go back to what most supporters thought 3 years previously.

Someone said football worked in cycles? I'm inclined to agree!

[lindo-spireite]

Maybe we've agreed terms with boco? But cook doesn't want anything announced 'out of respect for other parties'

Just a thought.

[azul]

lindo-spireite, on 10 May 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

Maybe we've agreed terms with boco? But cook doesn't want anything announced 'out of respect for other parties'

Just a thought.

Very true, Cook is about the only person who hasn't confirmed Doyle has signed

People are lauding our stance against him and his agent but all I have seen are unconfirmed stories of what Boco wants and nothing else

[fatfrank]

freelander2, on 09 May 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Most will nod like dogs at the beginning & then stick the boot in if it doesn't work out!

Summer '11 - The majority of supporters posters on here thought that we recruited on the cheap.

Summer '12 - The majority of supporters posters on here regarded the 'premium' signings of Hird, Togwell & Richards, limited loans, quality over quantity, etc, as the way forward.

Summer '13 - The majority of supporters posters on here consider last summer's signings to be too expensive for a club of our size and now support a policy to recruit young, hungry players on nominal basic wages, supported with bonuses relating to performances, results & league position.

Summer '14 - ?

[Jonno]

The issue is not with the information that Phil has posted, nor what Boco is being paid currently, or even what he wants to be paid - the issue is with the section of our fans who would be all too quick to jump on him if he doesn't hit the ground running or hasn't scored by November. Sad state of affairs that people are asking a well trusted journalist with premium connections within the club to withold relevant information just because it might add fuel to some of our more idiotic fans fire.

[homes13]

Jonno, on 10 May 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

The issue is not with the information that Phil has posted, nor what Boco is being paid currently, or even what he wants to be paid - the issue is with the section of our fans who would be all too quick to jump on him if he doesn't hit the ground running or hasn't scored by November. Sad state of affairs that people are asking a well trusted journalist with premium connections within the club to withold relevant information just because it might add fuel to some of our more idiotic fans fire.

And we all know what section that would come from.

[RN Blue]

Am I right in thinking that we can't sign anyone until their current contract expires (June I think for most), or unless we pay a fee?

If that's the case nothing will be announced (unless a pre-contract agreement like Doyle), until the players current contract expires?

[azul]

Jonno, on 10 May 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

The issue is not with the information that Phil has posted, nor what Boco is being paid currently, or even what he wants to be paid - the issue is with the section of our fans who would be all too quick to jump on him if he doesn't hit the ground running or hasn't scored by November. Sad state of affairs that people are asking a well trusted journalist with premium connections within the club to withold relevant information just because it might add fuel to some of our more idiotic fans fire.

The daft thing is that we will sign players because we have made them the best offer. Generally that will come down to money I would have thought

[Wooden Spoon]

freelander2, on 09 May 2013 - 05:33 PM, said:

Most will nod like dogs at the beginning & then stick the boot in if it doesn't work out!

Summer '11 - The majority of supporters thought that we recruited on the cheap.

Summer '12 - The majority of supporters regarded the 'premium' signings of Hird, Togwell & Richards, limited loans, quality over quantity, etc, as the way forward.

Summer '13 - The majority of supporters consider last summer's signings to be too expensive for a club of our size and now support a policy to recruit young, hungry players on nominal basic wages, supported with bonuses relating to performances, results & league position.

Summer '14 - ?

Recruiting on the cheap isnt the same thing as recruiting "young hungry players" who salaries are largely performance/results based.

[Guest_freelander2_*]

death, on 10 May 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

Recruiting on the cheap isnt the same thing as recruiting "young hungry players" who salaries are largely performance/results based.

I never said it was.

[lindave]

Hector, on 09 May 2013 - 04:17 PM, said:

Its time for players and their agents to take a reality check - gates are down, corporate & sponsorship are probably down so how can they expect wages to go up? Swindon evidently tried to buy their way out of L1 last year spending £4m (watch this space), Portsmouth have done it, Leeds Utd tried to do it along with many other high-profile clubs and they all failed leading to un-serviceable debts and years of decline. We have set a budget and must stick to it and Cook's experience of wheeling and dealing at Accrington fits in perfectly with this. Let the prima-donnas go and bankrupt some other club.

Well said.

[Norton Blue]

azul, on 09 May 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I'm sure everyone agrees and are singing form the same song sheet at the moment.

But say the policy backfires and by mid July no significant signings have been brought in!

I wonder how many of us will be singing from that song sheet

Sounds remarkably like many threads from summer 2011. Someone else mentioned football fans recruitment thinking going in cycles. I'm inclined to agree. I imagine a balanced approach is what is required. Some players you'll have to pay through the nose, others you can get on bargains. So long as we don't go stupid, we play attractive football and achieve at least automatic next season then i'll be happy!!

[spireitenumber1]

Norton Blue, on 10 May 2013 - 05:40 PM, said:

Sounds remarkably like many threads from summer 2011. Someone else mentioned football fans recruitment thinking going in cycles. I'm inclined to agree. I imagine a balanced approach is what is required. Some players you'll have to pay through the nose, others you can get on bargains. So long as we don't go stupid, we play attractive football and achieve at least automatic next season then i'll be happy!!

Completely agree we can't be In mid July having to sign average players to make up the squad because we didn't offer enough wages to better players now

[maccawozzagod]

As a Stanley fan I'd love to hold on to Rommy for a few reasons.

1. he's a good player and we're short of them - and every May/June/July we become even shorter
2. he's a good guy.

There was a comment a little earlier about his career having not taken off and he's been at a few clubs, I think is as much down to him being a lonely fella who moved around a bit early on due to taking bad advice off people. At Accrington the first time around he was around 19/20 years old and just flown in from somewhere in France. His Engleesh is not gut at this moment in time and he was living in a flat above a launderette in a little towny village called Great Harwood. He used to come into the pub after matches and had a little entourage with him, lady on each arm and he would order
"your goodest champagne Mr Bar keeper"
"six quid Rommy"
That wasn't him being a flash *** in the arrogant way that you might expect Rio Ferdinand to behave, but a young man living the high life on three hundred quid!

He left Accy because he was lonely and wanted to be somewhere that offered more to do. So he went to Sligo! **** knows how they sold him that idea, but it was Cook who did. His career was good there and he continued to play International football for his native Benin. I don't know what happened next but he ended up at Sligo two or three times with spells in China and Burton in between.

This time around at Accy he has got back to loving playing football. He is important to the team and club, the fans love him and he has a settled home life with a young family - I could be entirely wrong but I don't think he really wants to move away. He knows that he could pick up 25-50% more wages at probably 10-15 clubs in the North, but he could spend the last 5 years of his career being unhappy. If its true that he's asked for triple wages at Chesterfield maybe he's taking that into account? We pay roughly half of a players true worth and he's asking for what he's worth and then some more to make it worthwhile, I cant see much wrong with that. By your own admissions you'd be soon on his back if he didn't hit the ground running, and as a confidence player it could destroy him, he then becomes another lightweight midfield player with a good touch and nothing else.

If he does sign for you then look after him please!

This post has been edited by maccawozzagod: 13 May 2013 - 11:09 AM