[Beelzebub]

born in 1866, on 05 May 2013 - 07:20 AM, said:

He should have said that instead of "Monsieur Boco is seeking 250% of his Accrington wages". Implying Boco was being unreasonable after agent advice.

very silly response. phil posted information of interest to everybody on the board. stuart's response was speculation, a possible explanation of the scenario but still speculation. Your comment shows a distinct lack of comprehension. I am more than happy for Phil and others to put the information out there and then for other posters to dissect and discuss the snippets, that is, after all, how a forum works. Adding speculation to the original post would simply have devalued the information. Understand?

[born in 1866]

Beelzebub, on 05 May 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

very silly response. phil posted information of interest to everybody on the board. stuart's response was speculation, a possible explanation of the scenario but still speculation. Your comment shows a distinct lack of comprehension. I am more than happy for Phil and others to put the information out there and then for other posters to dissect and discuss the snippets, that is, after all, how a forum works. Adding speculation to the original post would simply have devalued the information. Understand?

No I don't understand how, by adding speculation to speculation you devalue the original speculation. Please enlighten me

EDIT: The red was not from me, I debate and discuss, after all, that's how a forum works.

This post has been edited by born in 1866: 05 May 2013 - 08:56 AM

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Sabreman, on 05 May 2013 - 05:10 AM, said:

Why do you deem it necessary to post this, all it does is cause people to be negative towards the lad before he has even signed if he does, some of the comments already posted prove this. Your speculation alto it's possibly correct is just that, if he does sign certain posters will turn his alleged earnings against him if/when he goes through a form dip or bad spell. What he earns, asks for, is offered etc is nothing to do with you, me or anyone else so is completely irrelevant. Very poor show from you I am afraid !

Fair enough there are a lot of well paid players that do well at clubs, we are forgetting we havnt signed him yet!

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Westbars Spireite, on 04 May 2013 - 09:16 PM, said:

It is, you're right. We may be thought of a soft touch by agents - Cook and Turner need to make sure that reputation goes away.

I'm interested as to where this soft to agents reputation came from. Sheridan never bowed down to them and neither has Cook so i thought we'd be quite the opposite.

[silver surfer]

Phil, please keep posting what you have heard. I and others value your contribution on here. I realise that you are in a position to gain "inside" information that sometimes that we are not privy to.
It`s usually fairly accurate and I would much rather read what you have to say than someone who decides we are after a player simply because he has not got a club at the moment or is out of contract soon. I prefer to deal with fact if at all possible. Going back to your point about Boco, surely people realise that when a player gets a call from a club i.e us, he sits down with his parasite( sorry agent), and he (the parasite) I mean agent decides what money THEY are going to ask for which is usually inflated, as of course the parasite needs his blood I mean cut. The club realises this and perhaps errs on the low side. Hopefully unless a genuine higher club and/or wages come into it you generally meet somewhere in the middle. When you say Boco wants this I think we all know the parasite (sorry agent)is really the one doing the deal as he wants hid pound of flesh. If it wasn`t for these "people" deals would be done quicker and it would`t cost as much to go and watch a football match.

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Beelzebub, on 05 May 2013 - 08:28 AM, said:

very silly response. phil posted information of interest to everybody on the board.

What, including his source?.

We know what these wage demands are and we know that Phil knew that Jacob Hazel had been offered a contract before Jacob did, and we know that Phil had dinner with the Company Secretary last Saturday night.
So much for trust.

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silver surfer, on 05 May 2013 - 11:31 AM, said:

Phil, please keep posting what you have heard. I and others value your contribution on here. I realise that you are in a position to gain "inside" information that sometimes that we are not privy to.
It`s usually fairly accurate and I would much rather read what you have to say than someone who decides we are after a player simply because he has not got a club at the moment or is out of contract soon. I prefer to deal with fact if at all possible. Going back to your point about Boco, surely people realise that when a player gets a call from a club i.e us, he sits down with his parasite( sorry agent), and he (the parasite) I mean agent decides what money THEY are going to ask for which is usually inflated, as of course the parasite needs his blood I mean cut. The club realises this and perhaps errs on the low side. Hopefully unless a genuine higher club and/or wages come into it you generally meet somewhere in the middle. When you say Boco wants this I think we all know the parasite (sorry agent)is really the one doing the deal as he wants hid pound of flesh. If it wasn`t for these "people" deals would be done quicker and it would`t cost as much to go and watch a football match.

Seconded

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dim view, on 05 May 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

What, including his source?.

We know what these wage demands are and we know that Phil knew that Jacob Hazel had been offered a contract before Jacob did, and we know that Phil had dinner with the Company Secretary last Saturday night.
So much for trust.

Just out of curiosity as I seemed to have missed it somewhere along the line...

Was Jacob Hazel one of the players who were offered new contracts or has he been released??

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Dave Wallers, on 05 May 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

Just out of curiosity as I seemed to have missed it somewhere along the line...

Was Jacob Hazel one of the players who were offered new contracts or has he been released??

He's been offered a contract.

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dim view, on 05 May 2013 - 01:01 PM, said:

He's been offered a contract.

Thanks.

Glad we've offered him something. Not really had much of an oppurtunity to see what he can do, the odd reserve game aside.

Is he mulling it over?? What's the situation with Randall? Has he been offered terms, or still up in the air?

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Dave Wallers, on 05 May 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Thanks.

Glad we've offered him something. Not really had much of an oppurtunity to see what he can do, the odd reserve game aside.

Is he mulling it over?? What's the situation with Randall? Has he been offered terms, or still up in the air?

No announcement over Randall and Brindley's contracts yet

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Dave Wallers, on 05 May 2013 - 01:03 PM, said:

Thanks.

Glad we've offered him something. Not really had much of an oppurtunity to see what he can do, the odd reserve game aside.

Is he mulling it over?? What's the situation with Randall? Has he been offered terms, or still up in the air?

He's got it in him to be a good striker. He badly needs some of Jack's self confidence.

He's mulling it over but the Podcasters think he'll sign. No mention of Randall bar the CE's less than clear explanation on Player. My interpretation is that he's been offered a deal with a wages cut.

[Beelzebub]

born in 1866, on 05 May 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

No I don't understand how, by adding speculation to speculation you devalue the original speculation. Please enlighten me

EDIT: The red was not from me, I debate and discuss, after all, that's how a forum works.

reading it back my point wasn't clear, what I meant was that it was right that phil didn't speculate whilst posting information. That would simply have confused the information he was imparting with his own interpretation of it. Once the information is out there everybody can speculate away to their hearts content.

[born in 1866]

Beelzebub, on 05 May 2013 - 02:32 PM, said:

reading it back my point wasn't clear, what I meant was that it was right that phil didn't speculate whilst posting information. That would simply have confused the information he was imparting with his own interpretation of it. Once the information is out there everybody can speculate away to their hearts content.

And so in hindsight do you recant the "very silly response" Jibe and the "understand" jibe
EDIT. And Phil did sprculate, he was/is going on hearsay which maybe/no bet fact

This post has been edited by born in 1866: 05 May 2013 - 03:01 PM

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born in 1866, on 05 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

And so in hindsight do you recant the "very silly response" Jibe and the "understand" jibe
EDIT. And Phil did sprculate, he was/is going on hearsay which maybe/no bet fact

No, it was a very silly response, as for "understand", given the lack of clarity in my original post, it would be perfectly understandable if you didn't appreciate my nuances

Phil didn't speculate. He put forward information he had been made aware of, he didn't comment or give his own opinions, he just presented the facts as he knew them. As for hearsay, absolutely everything posted on here is hearsay unless the poster was present at or witnessed what they are posting first hand. If the strict rules of evidence applied there would be very few posts.

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Gary the Snail, on 04 May 2013 - 09:25 PM, said:

Is the club he's going to more than double the size of the one he came from?

We can also make an assumption that this particular club pays their manager less than our assistant manager

Good point.

Our turnover is 3x that of Accrington's & Dave Allen has already said that our playing budget is nearly twice the size of their budget.

Given Boco's position, I can fully appreciate his position. In an ideal World, we'll sign the best players in the league & operate on the smallest budget, in reality though, it's not going to happen.

It's about what the player can add to CFC & his worth to our side.

[S43_Spireite]

......but if we pay him 'top whack' and he does not do the business, how long would it be before everyone was shouting about 'inflated wages'.

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valemadness, on 01 May 2013 - 07:37 PM, said:

Boco here for medical tomorrow

hiya.

What happened then?. Have you had any updates?

[valemadness]

dim view, on 09 May 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

hiya.

What happened then?. Have you had any updates?

just that he was here, not heard any more than that