[CFC91]

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Thoughts on this? Wish we were one of the 13 if im honest! Was only saying the other day how we all miss standing on the Kop and the whole feel of the terrace. But i am definitely all for it, if done safely. Seen to work in Germany with increased attendences, cheaper tickets, better atmospheres etc amongst the majority of the fan owned clubs especially. Obviously a costly exercise but be interesting to follow and see how far this goes..

[JonB]

A lot of fans obviously like the idea and now we have 13 clubs coming out and saying they back it but its not going to be as easy as just chucking these safe seating things on existing stands and away you go. Seem to remember reading that we could put standard barriers on our Kop and stand on it as the underneath of the stand wouldnt cope with the forces. To do it would mean losing the underneath of the stand where the toilets, refreshment stands etc are and therefore isnt going to be cheap.

Now for grounds where stands have gone from standing to seating its not going to be as much of a hassle but new purposely designed all seater stadia are not going to be able to do it very easily or without considerable expense.

This post has been edited by JonB: 11 December 2012 - 04:00 PM

[Town_Fan]

JonB, on 11 December 2012 - 04:00 PM, said:

A lot of fans obviously like the idea and now we have 13 clubs coming out and saying they back it but its not going to be as easy as just chucking these safe seating things on existing stands and away you go. Seem to remember reading that we could put standard barriers on our Kop and stand on it as the underneath of the stand wouldnt cope with the forces. To do it would mean losing the underneath of the stand where the toilets, refreshment stands etc are and therefore isnt going to be cheap.

The concrete has to be super strong to cope with the lateral forces of leaning against a barrier, which isn't an issue if you have sod all underneath the stand apart from foundations. If however you want refreshment stands etc then safe standing becomes more expensive than seating, as is my understanding of the situation. My mortally challenged chum might be able to shed more light.

[SpireiteFitzy]

If it were ever possible I'd love a standing area back in our ground. I just don't get the same buzz when I'm sat in a seat surrounded by people who hate standing and noise. Takes the fun out of it. Of course it'll never hapoen though so got to accept it and like it.

[Spire1986]

Common sense should prevail here. People want it back and its been proven in other countries that its managable. Very short sighted of the club in my opinion. It was only a matter of time.

[lindave]

Spire1986, on 11 December 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Common sense should prevail here. People want it back and its been proven in other countries that its managable. Very short sighted of the club in my opinion. It was only a matter of time.

How would you finance it? Sadly for me I'm past it and by half time on a cold day my knees are wanting to sit down.lol,besides I love where we sit in the West stand on the halfway line.
It would be good if the kop could return to standing only,but I wouldn't have the away fans standing it would be harder to police the likes of Vale or Millers invading the pitch,I don't think home fans would have that mentality if it meant getting the Club into trouble.

[CFC91]

Think it is a long way away, but times have changed. Studied the Taylor Report in depth at University and over the years the problems have been eradicated. Cant argue with the success' in Germany and France, its a logical step. Just hope this may set the ball rolling to bring standing back at the top level. Follow a few of these 'Against Modern Football' sites and magazines and they are gaining popularity and speaking sense. Good thing is not everybody has to be in favour of it, the majority can remain seated whilst 1 side perhaps is transformed.

[Beelzebub]

Spire1986, on 11 December 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Very short sighted of the club in my opinion. It was only a matter of time.

What was? nothing has changed and nothing will. We made the best possible use of the time and resources we had. It wasn't possible to build a ground of the quality we needed at the time we needed it and incorporate standing areas. We are where we are, why not accept the fact. We have a fine ground, enjoy it.

[JonB]

Spire1986, on 11 December 2012 - 04:40 PM, said:

Common sense should prevail here. People want it back and its been proven in other countries that its managable. Very short sighted of the club in my opinion. It was only a matter of time.

So we were meant to build the North & South Stands more expensively on the chance that something that has only reached the point where 13 of 92 clubs have said they want it so is still years away might happen!?!

[SpireiteFitzy]

Beelzebub, on 11 December 2012 - 04:55 PM, said:

What was? nothing has changed and nothing will. We made the best possible use of the time and resources we had. It wasn't possible to build a ground of the quality we needed at the time we needed it and incorporate standing areas. We are where we are, why not accept the fact. We have a fine ground, enjoy it.

It's alright for people to just say enjoy it when they aren't bothered about standing. To some it was part of the buzz of going to a football game, mine included. I think most people have accepted that we are in an all seater now but it's not out of line to say if there was a future opportunity to get a little bit of standing space back that they'd welcome it. I certainly would welcome it. But if not then we just get on with it.

[trickytrevsfanclub]

HU5 spire, on 11 December 2012 - 03:47 PM, said:

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Thoughts on this? Wish we were one of the 13 if im honest! Was only saying the other day how we all miss standing on the Kop and the whole feel of the terrace. But i am definitely all for it, if done safely. Seen to work in Germany with increased attendences, cheaper tickets, better atmospheres etc amongst the majority of the fan owned clubs especially. Obviously a costly exercise but be interesting to follow and see how far this goes..

I don't miss standing on the Kop one bit and I'm not alone in that. I love my seat in the South stand and would be gutted if it was taken away. Thankfully it'll never happen. The only way I can see any standing coming to the Proact is fill in the corners with terracing. Great for those who want it and great for those of us happy with the current set up.
There are a lot of comments on here basically saying the fans want standing. That's not correct, some fans want it , many are happy with the current arrangements.

[JonB]

SpireiteFitzy, on 11 December 2012 - 05:07 PM, said:

It's alright for people to just say enjoy it when they aren't bothered about standing. To some it was part of the buzz of going to a football game, mine included. I think most people have accepted that we are in an all seater now but it's not out of line to say if there was a future opportunity to get a little bit of standing space back that they'd welcome it. I certainly would welcome it. But if not then we just get on with it.

It does annoy me when folk refuse to sit down in an all seater ground then moan if people ask them to sit down or get thrown out for standing persistently. I appreciate some folk want to stand and i used to prefer doing it at Saltergate but the club and ground have moved on so fans have to as well.

[newbold ken]

To be honest when the bowels fans stood all the match I thought what a set of morons- although I suppose once a few stand everyone has to . Keep it allseater for me. There was still great atmosphere when we won the league!

[SpireiteFitzy]

JonB, on 11 December 2012 - 05:18 PM, said:

It does annoy me when folk refuse to sit down in an all seater ground then moan if people ask them to sit down or get thrown out for standing persistently. I appreciate some folk want to stand and i used to prefer doing it at Saltergate but the club and ground have moved on so fans have to as well.

I fully agree that we have to move on, I was merely supporting the OP's argument that it would be nice if in the future we had an opportunity to get some standing areas put in for those of us who don't like been forced to sit down all game. But I fully understand the reasons why we didnt have any put it when it was built. Would just be nice that's all.

newbold ken, on 11 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

To be honest when the bowels fans stood all the match I thought what a set of morons- although I suppose once a few stand everyone has to . Keep it allseater for me. There was still great atmosphere when we won the league!

But we arent going to win a league every year though are we. It was as dead as a doornail in the ground at some points last season when we wernt doing so well.

[CFC91]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 11 December 2012 - 05:10 PM, said:

I don't miss standing on the Kop one bit and I'm not alone in that. I love my seat in the South stand and would be gutted if it was taken away. Thankfully it'll never happen. The only way I can see any standing coming to the Proact is fill in the corners with terracing. Great for those who want it and great for those of us happy with the current set up.
There are a lot of comments on here basically saying the fans want standing. That's not correct, some fans want it , many are happy with the current arrangements.

Doesnt have to be all for it though really, its only of them things that even if 30% want it its viable as its only 1 stand. Atmosphere at home is poor, and a lot of that is down to singers not being together stood in my opinion. Used to be a good 30 of us on the Kop at Saltergate together around the atmosphere, now we are scattered around in 2's and 3's every week, and i know thats the case for many. Would love to see it back, sounds like the people I go to games with and who I speak too are in the opposing camp to you, we all say we miss the Kop atmosphere, goal celebrations. WAs nothing like that place, and its missed greatly by many.

[JonB]

HU5 spire, on 11 December 2012 - 05:32 PM, said:

Doesnt have to be all for it though really, its only of them things that even if 30% want it its viable as its only 1 stand.

The problem is that its going to be very expensive for even one stand at the Proact to be converted from what i can gather. Its not just a case of taking up the seats that are there now and putting these safe standing ones in as the whole stand isnt designed to cope with standing. As previously mentioned we'd probably have to knock it down and redesign the stand completely.

[martatcross]

I dont have a problem personally but H&S wont let it happen

[Norton Blue]

definitely a place for standing at football games. stadiums haven't 'moved on' in terms of the concept of standing, the law governed it. That doesn't mean it can't change in the future. Technology and ideas are constantly evolving. The barrier shown on the bbc with the seat incorporated into it shows how someone has looked at the issue from a different viewpoint and come up with a solution, therefore allowing seating to be incorporated into a stadium whilst maintaining safety.

[BlueRover52]

newbold ken, on 11 December 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

To be honest when the bowels fans stood all the match I thought what a set of morons- although I suppose once a few stand everyone has to . Keep it allseater for me. There was still great atmosphere when we won the league!

Agree. Sitting or standing,it's the numbers that create the atmosphere.

[CFC91]

JonB, on 11 December 2012 - 05:44 PM, said:

The problem is that its going to be very expensive for even one stand at the Proact to be converted from what i can gather. Its not just a case of taking up the seats that are there now and putting these safe standing ones in as the whole stand isnt designed to cope with standing. As previously mentioned we'd probably have to knock it down and redesign the stand completely.

Agree, cost is the stumbling block, rather than Health and Safety etc.

BlueRover52, on 11 December 2012 - 05:55 PM, said:

Agree. Sitting or standing,it's the numbers that create the atmosphere.

Hmm really? I remember night games at Saltergate, one v Bury sticks out with 3000 in the place was rocking. Bought a mate along for his first ever game, got the bug after that and still talks about the atmosphere and celebrations on the Kop when Fletcher scored..quality over quantity.