[Town_Fan]

marlons curtains, on 25 October 2012 - 03:16 PM, said:

Fred Dineage wasnt it?

I did have a semi flashback to something of that nature whilst composing that reply. I put it down to too much caffeine.

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=AOFqyqnpxOw

[clarevoyant.]

MDCCCLXVI, on 25 October 2012 - 02:00 PM, said:

Whilst it's true Cook has questionable pedigree, 'Frears', i'm happy to see what happens.

The Club was going slowly stale, something had to be done, and now it has.

Let's at least see what impact he has and the calibre of his signings before offering critical comments, eh pal?

This may appear a bizarre concept but it could be just possible that CFC have been scouting PC over the past couple of months ie watching how he performs with what he's got and ascertaining from what these scouting missions have gleaned would his style suit what he would have to work with here.

From what I saw of him here his contribution from the technical area against us was way above any other manager this season.

Working with "more mature" players here and also TW & MC could be a challange for his man management skills lets hope we pull together as a team and if we have been watching him and sussing out his strengths and weakness's we have got it right

[clarevoyant.]

Town_Fan, on 25 October 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I like the continued use of the phrase "opening gambit". Surely a great name for a tv show.

Whyis it when someone mentions Gambit I Think PURDY

[Spireite-Karl]

"Bacon Face", on 25 October 2012 - 09:42 AM, said:

Far less than JS....i hope this guy wasn't appointed solely on the game against us and their posltion in the league at that time;that mentallity would be very worrying. If he's as good as some folk are saying on here, he'll have us in the play-off no bother.

Sorry but who's said that?? Nobody as far as I've read has said we've signed a good manager! What they actually said was that they are quite glad we've gone outside the box and appointed someone who is relatively untried and likes to play football in the right manor as opposed to appointing a dull has-been that has been around the block more times than not and failed more times than not.

I can't believe what some folks are like, YES, they maybe underwhelmed by the appointment (not arguing with this), but it's as though folks want him to fail to say I told you so. Give the guy a chance for Christ sakes!!

And what really riles me more than anything is folks feel the need to start stereotyping fans for their thoughts [Highlighted]... just another way of trying to group two sets of fans.. eg. happy clapper and moaners.

[Skywalker]

Spireite-Karl, on 25 October 2012 - 06:14 PM, said:

Sorry but who's said that?? Nobody as far as I've read has said we've signed a good manager! What they actually said was that they are quite glad we've gone outside the box and appointed someone who is relatively untried and likes to play football in the right manor as opposed to appointing a dull has-been that has been around the block more times than not and failed more times than not.

I can't believe what some folks are like, YES, they maybe underwhelmed by the appointment (not arguing with this), but it's as though folks want him to fail to say I told you so. Give the guy a chance for Christ sakes!!

And what really riles me more than anything is folks feel the need to start stereotyping fans for their thoughts [Highlighted]... just another way of trying to group two sets of fans.. eg. happy clapper and moaners.

Well said Karl.

[Blueprint]

Town_Fan, on 25 October 2012 - 03:04 PM, said:

I like the continued use of the phrase "opening gambit". Surely a great name for a tv show.

And here's me thinking Gambit was that yellow thing that used to be on that kids show with Paul Daniels in it.

This post has been edited by Blueprint: 25 October 2012 - 06:25 PM

[Elmer Fudd's Thick Lip]

Blueprint, on 25 October 2012 - 06:23 PM, said:

And here's me thinking Gambit was that yellow thing that used to be on that kids show with Paul Daniels in it.

Ha ha this-a-way
Ha ha that-a-way
Ha ha this-a-way
My oh my.

Wizbit, and my personal favourite......Squidgy Bog.

I was watching an episode on Youtube a while back, and it's actually quite disturbing!!

[h again]

clarevoyant., on 25 October 2012 - 05:57 PM, said:

This may appear a bizarre concept but it could be just possible that CFC have been scouting PC over the past couple of months ie watching how he performs with what he's got and ascertaining from what these scouting missions have gleaned would his style suit what he would have to work with here.

From what I saw of him here his contribution from the technical area against us was way above any other manager this season.

Working with "more mature" players here and also TW & MC could be a challange for his man management skills lets hope we pull together as a team and if we have been watching him and sussing out his strengths and weakness's we have got it right

I'd guess that Chris Turner was very impressed by the Accy performance - as he should have been - and has been canvassing his extensive range of buddies in the game ever since to make sure it wasn't a one-off.
The feed-back seems to have been positive - very positive, considering how much it must have cost to pay off the existing contract - so, touching wood, crossing fingers, etc. I think we can assume that he's a pretty good signing.
Which doesn't mean he comes with a guarentee of success, especially at the start. Luck plays an enormous part in football management.
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing if he rates Randall and Clay as much as I do, or if they're just the fringe players that JS obviously considered them.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

h again, on 25 October 2012 - 07:07 PM, said:

I'd guess that Chris Turner was very impressed by the Accy performance - as he should have been - and has been canvassing his extensive range of buddies in the game ever since to make sure it wasn't a one-off.
The feed-back seems to have been positive - very positive, considering how much it must have cost to pay off the existing contract - so, touching wood, crossing fingers, etc. I think we can assume that he's a pretty good signing.
Which doesn't mean he comes with a guarentee of success, especially at the start. Luck plays an enormous part in football management.
Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing if he rates Randall and Clay as much as I do, or if they're just the fringe players that JS obviously considered them.

What struck me most about Accy's Proact performance was the tempo at which they played. Every indication suggests that's what DA wants to see from a Town side, so perhaps fitness will play as big a part as ability in initial team selections.

[Beelzebub]

clarevoyant., on 25 October 2012 - 05:59 PM, said:

Whyis it when someone mentions Gambit I Think PURDY

It's your age. The kids on here haven't got a clue what you are on about

[SamosBlue]

frearsghost, on 25 October 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

The clue is in the words 'sustainability budget' operated by the club.

I read your opening gambit of unconditional rapture. I kept on reading, but didn't find any rational or reasoned argument that gave any credence to your opinion. I, therefore, dimissed your contribution as not worth engaging. I was proved right. When debate eventually got going - and what interesting empirical issues have arisen and been mulled over; issues requiring thought, perception and effort - I noticed your contribution was significant by way of it's absence.

'Touche' as they say.

Let's leave it at that.

I'd be far more worried if they were suggesting we ought to have an unsustainable budget like certain posters on here would like us to have as a gamble to escape League 2.

[born in 1866]

frearsghost, on 25 October 2012 - 02:37 PM, said:

The clue is in the words 'sustainability budget' operated by the club.

I read your opening gambit of unconditional rapture. I kept on reading, but didn't find any rational or reasoned argument that gave any credence to your opinion. I, therefore, dimissed your contribution as not worth engaging. I was proved right. When debate eventually got going - and what interesting empirical issues have arisen and been mulled over; issues requiring thought, perception and effort - I noticed your contribution was significant by way of it's absence.

'Touche' as they say.

Let's leave it at that.

It's called logging off and going to work.
Sorry if I upset you but I'm not sure as I didn't understand much of that.
So PC is the cheap option as regards "sustainability" please enlighten me with his salary, bonus, pension, heathcare etc so I can form my own view.

[golden70]

From a personal point of view I'm hopeful that Paul cook can change a few things to how they used to be. A happy winning stadium with folk singing just bounce. A desire that Sheridan used to show from the touch line. Sheridan used to get at Davies constantly in the season when the league was won. Bowery IMO needed that same treatment ie a kick up the backside. That desire and passion has long gone. Streams of people leave before full time.stay and support your team and applaud and encourage them at the whistle. People perform better with encouragement. I propose a new start is needed by all, especially the fans. I was at burton on Tuesday. Burton can play much better than they did on the night, but there fans stick it til the death and in the main encourage their team. I hope things turn round, I miss a full ground with a great atmosphere.

[frearsghost]

born in 1866, on 26 October 2012 - 04:53 AM, said:

It's called logging off and going to work.
Sorry if I upset you but I'm not sure as I didn't understand much of that.
So PC is the cheap option as regards "sustainability" please enlighten me with his salary, bonus, pension, heathcare etc so I can form my own view.

Dave Allen has made it clear that the budget must be sustainable. Therefore the cost of a new manager will be within that set budget. Paul Cook is affordable within that budget, instead of, maybe, Micky Adams who has turned relegation fodder Port Vale into promotion candidates while working on a showstring - or any other successful manager for that matter - and who might have cost, say, £200,000 in compensation.

[moondog]

frearsghost, on 26 October 2012 - 09:55 AM, said:

Dave Allen has made it clear that the budget must be sustainable. Therefore the cost of a new manager will be within that set budget. Paul Cook is affordable within that budget, instead of, maybe, Micky Adams who has turned relegation fodder Port Vale into promotion candidates while working on a showstring - or any other successful manager for that matter - and who might have cost, say, £200,000 in compensation.

what about an out of work one like Dyche, £100k (rumoured compo to Acrrington) would have gone a long way to securing him I would have thought.

I'd like to think we at least made an approach

[Skywalker]

moondog, on 26 October 2012 - 12:43 PM, said:

what about an out of work one like Dyche, £100k (rumoured compo to Acrrington) would have gone a long way to securing him I would have thought.

I'd like to think we at least made an approach

I remember Dyche as a player and he was up there with my favourites. I’ve heard him on Sky Sports and he comes across really well, but I’ve never seen his Watford team play. Wasn’t he relieved of his duties because the quality of football wasn’t great? If that’s the case he was unlikely to get the job here based on Allen’s footballing beliefs regardless of how well liked he is.

[Johnnyspireite7]

Skywalker, on 26 October 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

I remember Dyche as a player and he was up there with my favourites. I've heard him on Sky Sports and he comes across really well, but I've never seen his Watford team play. Wasn't he relieved of his duties because the quality of football wasn't great? If that's the case he was unlikely to get the job here based on Allen's footballing beliefs regardless of how well liked he is.

No, he was relieved of his post because new owners came in who were bessie mates with Gianfranco Zola and insisted on him being manager.

[Skywalker]

Johnnyspireite7, on 26 October 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

No, he was relieved of his post because new owners came in who were bessie mates with Gianfranco Zola and insisted on him being manager.

Ok.

Was the football he played decent?

[moondog]

Skywalker, on 26 October 2012 - 12:56 PM, said:

I remember Dyche as a player and he was up there with my favourites. I've heard him on Sky Sports and he comes across really well, but I've never seen his Watford team play. Wasn't he relieved of his duties because the quality of football wasn't great? If that's the case he was unlikely to get the job here based on Allen's footballing beliefs regardless of how well liked he is.

Johnny has given the reason why Dyche lost his job, he was getting results at Watford. It's results that will get us to the promised land of the Championship, to want to get there with flair is admirable but is it realistic ?

[Skywalker]

moondog, on 26 October 2012 - 01:15 PM, said:

Johnny has given the reason why Dyche lost his job, he was getting results at Watford. It's results that will get us to the promised land of the Championship, to want to get there with flair is admirable but is it realistic ?

We got to League 1 playing with flair. If the club had remained focused and prepared correctly, we could be plying our trade at the top end of that league or better still have now reached the ‘promised land’.

I think Wright would have led us into the play offs this season if given the job fulltime, but given the players at his disposal that should be the minimum requirement. Allen wants an entertaining product that is also successful. As a paying customer I have no issues with his philosophy. and admire his decision to appoint someone new in an effort to achieve that.

With regards Dyche, you would surmise that if the football he played was akin to Allen’s beliefs he would have been in with a shout, but for all we know, Dyche might not have wanted to come!!