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freelander2, on 18 September 2012 - 10:40 PM, said:

How did we do tonight?

Star players?

Given a football lesson. They took the midfield and we chased shadows. Fortunately their defence isn't very good, and Jack was flying.
Second best in every department except for Sir Jack. Darikwa made a difference when he came on, but he could only have been an improvement on Westcarr. Trotman was probably the pick of the rest, but that's not saying much.
How we managed to win that I'll never know.

[rc1979]

h again, on 18 September 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

We didn't, not by any stretch of the imagination. We were given a football lesson by a team that plays in front of crowds a quarter our size.
After 15 minutes, by which time we were two in front and had started to lose the initiative, something needed changing. After 30 minutes it was just a question of how many they'd get. It was painfully obvious that three were playing 5 in midfield, and all their five were a lot sharper than any of our three. At that point Mark Allott should have been brought on and Westcarr removed, sacrificing the width which Westcarr wasn't providing for a bit nearer parity in numbers in midfield.
We went on to win despite being outplayed, but we won for one reason - Jack Lester.
Acrington should feel very hard done by, and Tommy Wright needs to think about the opposition - it was even said on here that Accrington played with a lot of classy midfielders. He was caught napping and taken to the cleaners.
Not helped by another totally inept peformance from Westcarr.

Agree with every word

[Guest_freelander2_*]

h again, on 18 September 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

Given a football lesson. They took the midfield and we chased shadows. Fortunately their defence isn't very good, and Jack was flying.
Second best in every department except for Sir Jack. Darikwa made a difference when he came on, but he could only have been an improvement on Westcarr. Trotman was probably the pick of the rest, but that's not saying much.
How we managed to win that I'll never know.

Westy frustrates me. The guy has ability but he's a lazy player at times, choosing to take the easy option rather than deliver something special.

Is he strong enough mentally?

[Spireite_UK]

Westcarr was being forced to play left wing though.... put a square peg in a round hole and that's what happens. As much as I think he can be very lazy and extremely frustrating to watch, I think that has to be considered tonight.

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Dema Reborn, on 18 September 2012 - 10:52 PM, said:

4 goals say we did......

If you're happy with that performance I feel a bit sorry for you. Acrington Stanley - that's Accy Stanley, the also-rans of the football league, made us look like a pub side and put three past us.
I just hope Tommy Wright takes a more realistic view than you. Not that I'm holding my breath - we were routed tactically as well as skill-wise.

[Tylerdurdencfc]

Dema Reborn, on 18 September 2012 - 10:20 PM, said:

We give the ball away far too much and far too cheaply,O'Donnell must hold his hands up for 2 of the goals,but full credit we kept on going,we deserved the points tonight...

Which ones were they?

I couldn't see the first but the second and third weren't his fault....

Second poor marking,

Third, no-one closed the player down yet again...and the shot left him wrong footed....and he couldn't reach it....

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Dema Reborn, on 18 September 2012 - 11:01 PM, said:

His best position is as a striker not a winger he doesn't enjoy it,thanks to there hooligan player he may get to play there at Northampton.....

Westcarr's best position would be at another club. When he's useless on the wing he's a striker, and when he's useless as a striker we get the old chestnut about him delivering good crosses.
He played like a one-man picket line against the CFC Management tonight. Should have been off after 30 minutes.

[Spireite_UK]

Dema Reborn, on 18 September 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

His best position is as a striker not a winger he doesn't enjoy it,thanks to there hooligan player he may get to play there at Northampton.....



I am happy with a win you don't sound as though you are ?

Westcarrs best position is certainly not as striker.... he doesn't know how to watch his line and doesn't know how to move intelligently. Westcarrs best position is RIGHT wing (hint, not left) because by far his best attribute is his ability to cross a moving ball. Unfortunately, we already have Talbot there and unless we decide to drop Talbot back to RB, Westy is kind of back up/surplus right now.

[Spire Power]

h again, on 18 September 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

If you're happy with that performance I feel a bit sorry for you. Acrington Stanley - that's Accy Stanley, the also-rans of the football league, made us look like a pub side and put three past us.
I just hope Tommy Wright takes a more realistic view than you. Not that I'm holding my breath - we were routed tactically as well as skill-wise.

He does. In an article on the main page he makes it clear that we were very, very lucky to win tonight. But what will he do to improve the side??

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Dema Reborn, on 18 September 2012 - 11:03 PM, said:

His best position is as a striker not a winger he doesn't enjoy it,thanks to there hooligan player he may get to play there at Northampton.....



I am happy with a win you don't sound as though you are ?

I'm happy when my team win and deserve it. I'm not happy when they get a lucky win against opposition who give the team and Manager a football lesson.

[The Doctor]

Westcarr will get goals in away games but jacks gotta start at home. Lots of whingers re richards but at 2 0 up we conceded a sloppy goal and got pulled all over at times. We had enough quality to win the game. Fair play to accy but over 95 mins we deserved the points. Be interesting to see possesion srats etc.

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Spire Power, on 18 September 2012 - 11:08 PM, said:

He does. In an article on the main page he makes it clear that we were very, very lucky to win tonight. But what will he do to improve the side??

He could have strengthened midfield when it became obvious what was going on. Even Darikwa for Westcarr on the wing was a big improvement, but he shouldn't have let them boss us as they did.
I hope we aren't going to get any more of the JS rubbish, about letting other teams worry about us. He should have known how Accy played, and been ready to sort it if his starting line-up couldn't cope.
Black mark after a very promising start is my verdict.
On the plus side, we aren't going to meet many as good as Accy in this league, but I wish we could play like that.

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Dema Reborn, on 18 September 2012 - 11:10 PM, said:

Do not ever criticise me again when i have a go at Allott,at least he knows where his bottom fits best, on the bench at least he can't give the ball away just outside our box...

We hardly ever had the ball outside our box to give it away. Most of the time it was being passed around by Accy to players in space.
The game was crying out for Mark Allott tonight. Togwell and the new kid were over-run.

[Essex_Spireite]

Spireite_UK, on 18 September 2012 - 10:58 PM, said:

Westcarr was being forced to play left wing though.... put a square peg in a round hole and that's what happens. As much as I think he can be very lazy and extremely frustrating to watch, I think that has to be considered tonight.

So what? Just because he was asked to play on the wing instead of upfront means its ok to not try your best and look lazy? Players should play where they are told. Look at players like Stewart Downing this season, playing left back for Liverpool and even our very own Drew Talbot played a whole 2 seasons out of position, yet he gave 110% every game. Lets not be silly and state that him playing out of his favoured role gives him the right to dawdle along during games.

[Spired]

SpireiteJN, on 18 September 2012 - 11:32 PM, said:

So what? Just because he was asked to play on the wing instead of upfront means its ok to not try your best and look lazy?

doesn't mean he wasn't trying his best.

its no use being a headless chicken.

Ginola did squat for his side off the ball.

[Blueprint]

moondog, on 18 September 2012 - 10:04 PM, said:

Accrington are by far the best side I've seen this season

Agreed. We may not have helped ourselves but they are a joy to watch. The way they play the ball around and get into space means once they get the ball it's hard to get the ball back off them. Fortunately I doubt there will be many sides at this level that pass the ball around as well as they do. Two players were set to make their debuts too last night, don't know who they are, I assume they are the two players brought on last off as they weren't on the programme. They have a great scouting system at the club by the looks of things, a few foriegn players on the books, plus most players presumably signed from non league.

Wonder if Stanley are scheduled to be on sky, I'll certainly watch them if they are, see how they fair against someone else, if they play as well.

And yes I am still shocked as to how we got 3 points.

[Bankrobber]

h again, on 18 September 2012 - 10:44 PM, said:

We didn't, not by any stretch of the imagination. We were given a football lesson by a team that plays in front of crowds a quarter our size.
After 15 minutes, by which time we were two in front and had started to lose the initiative, something needed changing. After 30 minutes it was just a question of how many they'd get. It was painfully obvious that three were playing 5 in midfield, and all their five were a lot sharper than any of our three. At that point Mark Allott should have been brought on and Westcarr removed, sacrificing the width which Westcarr wasn't providing for a bit nearer parity in numbers in midfield.
We went on to win despite being outplayed, but we won for one reason - Jack Lester.
Acrington should feel very hard done by, and Tommy Wright needs to think about the opposition - it was even said on here that Accrington played with a lot of classy midfielders. He was caught napping and taken to the cleaners.
Not helped by another totally inept peformance from Westcarr.

Exactly how i see it. And Tommy Wright, judging by his comments on the OS.