[Scooby Doo]

metallilad, on 17 September 2012 - 11:45 PM, said:

When a bloke in his forties stands up and starts singing in a family stand that has families sat in it one of two things is gonna happen. Either your gonna scare the living s**t out of the kids or your gonna have everybody look at you with utter disgust.
The kids seats are there so families can sit and watch the match in a non hostile enviroment, a bloke standing up and trying to start a song/chant will be unsettling for the kids.
The kids can start one themselves or join in with one but when your a parent the last thing you want is for your child to feel uncomfortable in any way shape or form.
One day you'll understand where I'm coming from on this one. Trust me.

You just don't get it do you?

You can sing come on Spireites in a non hostile tone, or clap along to the drummer boy anything really that will encourage your team. I am sure those around you woudn't mind, obviously swearing and derogatory comments would be a no no.

It's not difficult

This post has been edited by C C CFC: 18 September 2012 - 05:38 AM

[metallilad]

C C CFC, on 18 September 2012 - 05:37 AM, said:

You just don't get it do you?

You can sing come on Spireites in a non hostile tone, or clap along to the drummer boy anything really that will encourage your team. I am sure those around you woudn't mind, obviously swearing and derogatory comments would be a no no.

It's not difficult

And you just don't get it either.
The kids can sing along and you can join in with them, that adds to the atmosphere.
If I was gonna join in with a come on spireites chant on my own from the family stand it would make most of the kids uneasy. That shouldn't happen in a place that has been designated for kids to give them a safe environment.

[kevspireites]

metallilad, on 18 September 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

And you just don't get it either.
The kids can sing along and you can join in with them, that adds to the atmosphere.
If I was gonna join in with a come on spireites chant on my own from the family stand it would make most of the kids uneasy. That shouldn't happen in a place that has been designated for kids to give them a safe environment.

if come on spireites makes kids feel uneasy then it seems to me a football match is not the place for them.
I get your point on the more adult songs but have a visit to a school playground you'll hear alot worse.

[Trigger]

When I take the lad I involve him in the chanting and getting him to clap his hands ect... He's louder than me when he gets going and probably terrifies the adults amongst us more than the other kids.

[Goku]

not_the_freak, on 18 September 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

When I take the lad I involve him in the chanting and getting him to clap his hands ect... He's louder than me when he gets going and probably terrifies the adults amongst us more than the other kids.

He was on top form for the England game.

Do kids really feel unsafe cos somebody sings? Really? That seems mad to me.

[SpireiteFitzy]

Goku, on 18 September 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

He was on top form for the England game.

Do kids really feel unsafe cos somebody sings? Really? That seems mad to me.

It does doesn't it. Given the amount children like to make noise it should be one of the more vocal areas of the ground. We should use the 'east side, give us some' chant more often the kids always respond to that.

[lindo-spireite]

If your kid is scared of a simple 'come on Spireites' then I think it's time you toughened up with them at home

[Goku]

Feed him raw meat and leave him in the wilderness for a bit. He'll become one of the toughest blokes the world has ever known.

inb4i'm12

[RN Blue]

metallilad, on 18 September 2012 - 06:58 AM, said:

And you just don't get it either.
The kids can sing along and you can join in with them, that adds to the atmosphere.
If I was gonna join in with a come on spireites chant on my own from the family stand it would make most of the kids uneasy. That shouldn't happen in a place that has been designated for kids to give them a safe environment.

Why not try: where have all the flowers gone, or I'd like to teach the world to sing or other neutral hippy songs.

My most sincere apologies for the flippant sarcasm, but why on earth would chanting 'come on spireites' be unsettling for the kids!!! I'll grant you that if you're the only one doing it in the family stand and your children are embarrassed by your singing voice then fair comment.

The kids I've seen at football matches absolutely love the whole atmosphere of the game including the signing and chanting. When I took my now 10 year old lad to Oxford a couple of seasons ago he thought it was fantastic all the singing - even the naughtier ones, which when sung got a grin from ear to ear. Of course I told him not to tell his mother what he'd heard when we got home, but it was no worse than what he already knows from the playground.

Its this kind of repression a la no school sports day no winners or losers, nothing competitive, kids teams losing 14-0 on a Sunday go in the paper as 1-0 hippy nonsense that needs getting rid of – not that I’m accusing you of any of that.

We as fans and supporters of our club want the club to do well and we show our support of the team by singing, chanting, cheering, clapping and bouncing.

Lets be realistic there isn’t often something to sing about but when the lads need a lift sitting mute isn’t going to help – what do the family stand do, give an encouraging glance when the Kop starts a song or chant?

[metallilad]

lindo-spireite, on 18 September 2012 - 11:39 AM, said:

If your kid is scared of a simple 'come on Spireites' then I think it's time you toughened up with them at home

Who the f**k are you to tell me how to raise my son?
This is one area you or anybody else better not remark on.

[metallilad]

RN Blue, on 18 September 2012 - 12:09 PM, said:

Why not try: where have all the flowers gone, or I'd like to teach the world to sing or other neutral hippy songs.

My most sincere apologies for the flippant sarcasm, but why on earth would chanting 'come on spireites' be unsettling for the kids!!! I'll grant you that if you're the only one doing it in the family stand and your children are embarrassed by your singing voice then fair comment.

The kids I've seen at football matches absolutely love the whole atmosphere of the game including the signing and chanting. When I took my now 10 year old lad to Oxford a couple of seasons ago he thought it was fantastic all the singing - even the naughtier ones, which when sung got a grin from ear to ear. Of course I told him not to tell his mother what he'd heard when we got home, but it was no worse than what he already knows from the playground.

Its this kind of repression a la no school sports day no winners or losers, nothing competitive, kids teams losing 14-0 on a Sunday go in the paper as 1-0 hippy nonsense that needs getting rid of – not that I’m accusing you of any of that.

We as fans and supporters of our club want the club to do well and we show our support of the team by singing, chanting, cheering, clapping and bouncing.

Lets be realistic there isn’t often something to sing about but when the lads need a lift sitting mute isn’t going to help – what do the family stand do, give an encouraging glance when the Kop starts a song or chant?

The whole debate is going off topic here.
Its whole poinnt is that the atmosphere always has and should start in the kop, there hasn't been any atmosphere coming from the kop.
Not like it use to.
To try and turn it round into saying that the atmosphere should start from the family stand is pathetic.

[KevoBMMD]

metallilad, on 18 September 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

The whole debate is going off topic here.
Its whole poinnt is that the atmosphere always has and should start in the kop, there hasn't been any atmosphere coming from the kop.
Not like it use to.
To try and turn it round into saying that the atmosphere should start from the family stand is pathetic.

I think the point people are trying to make is NO it doesn't have to start in the Kop. That is just old tradition and the place the Drummer Boy is.

How would that work when the Kop sing, "East Stand, Give Us A Song"

Regarding the kids I think if you ask them about the singing they would sooner be on the Kop singing than in the Family Stand sitting quitely.

There is nothing agressive about the majority of songs sung on the Kop. Most are echoed in the Family Stand and probably in the Car on the way to and from matches.

Carnival De Paris
Ring of Fire
Oh When The Blues
Sailing
Come on You Blues
Come On Spireites
Barmy Army
Super Jack Lester

All are sung to motivate the players and I'm sure there are very few Parents that would object to their kids singing.

Just get behind the Team, Clap if you want to clap, Sing If You Want To Sing but don't dictate who and where the singing should start.

This post has been edited by KevoBMMD: 18 September 2012 - 12:36 PM

[CFC91]

Hopefully more will make effort to raise the atmosphere under the floodlights tonight! Fingers crossed anyway!

[valemadness]

KevoBMMD, on 18 September 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

I think the point people are trying to make is NO it doesn't have to start in the Kop. That is just old tradition and the place the Drummer Boy is.

How would that work when the Kop sing, "East Stand, Give Us A Song"

Regarding the kids I think if you ask them about the singing they would sooner be on the Kop singing than in the Family Stand sitting quitely.

There is nothing agressive about the majority of songs sung on the Kop. Most are echoed in the Family Stand and probably in the Car on the way to and from matches.

Carnival De Paris
Ring of Fire
Oh When The Blues
Sailing
Come on You Blues
Come On Spireites
Barmy Army
Super Jack Lester

All are sung to motivate the players and I'm sure there are very few Parents that would object to their kids singing.

Just get behind the Team, Clap if you want to clap, Sing If You Want To Sing but don't dictate who and where the singing should start.

Again, sitting in the East stand I'm always clapping and trying to get every one to join in but the 1 main song that is sung is barmy army and after singing that 4 or 5 times it gets boring and the kids get bored with it!!! BTW the end of Super Jack Lester gets changed to will make you look rubbish.
One of the main problems is that when the kop starts singing it can take a verse for it to filter to the other stands and by the time we've started singing, the kop stops, which means the kids stop.
We need more variety and longevity of chants, and at the moment whether anyone wants to admit it or not, if the drum ain't playing, no-one's singing.

[metallilad]

KevoBMMD, on 18 September 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

I think the point people are trying to make is NO it doesn't have to start in the Kop. That is just old tradition and the place the Drummer Boy is.

How would that work when the Kop sing, "East Stand, Give Us A Song"

Regarding the kids I think if you ask them about the singing they would sooner be on the Kop singing than in the Family Stand sitting quitely.

There is nothing agressive about the majority of songs sung on the Kop. Most are echoed in the Family Stand and probably in the Car on the way to and from matches.

Carnival De Paris
Ring of Fire
Oh When The Blues
Sailing
Come on You Blues
Come On Spireites
Barmy Army
Super Jack Lester

All are sung to motivate the players and I'm sure there are very few Parents that would object to their kids singing.

Just get behind the Team, Clap if you want to clap, Sing If You Want To Sing but don't dictate who and where the singing should start.

Another one that can't read a post properly.
I never said that kids should sit quietly. I said that kids can join in with a song or chant but for a bloke trying to start one going in the family stand on his own would upset kids simply because an adult is close by raising there voices.
Atmosphere in the grounds has always come from the kop. Always.

[lindo-spireite]

metallilad, on 18 September 2012 - 12:17 PM, said:

Who the f**k are you to tell me how to raise my son?
This is one area you or anybody else better not remark on.

[firedodger]

Goku, on 18 September 2012 - 10:46 AM, said:

He was on top form for the England game.

Do kids really feel unsafe cos somebody sings? Really? That seems mad to me.

I imagine if kids are very young or in their first few matches then some big bloke next to them stands up and starts screaming and clapping, yes I can see them being unsettled a bit.
But I think most kids know the score after a few games, if they are scared after a few games then it's not for them at that age.
My daughters 11 now and she's never been bothered by noise etc, I can tell she thinks super jack Lester is hilarious but daren't join in!
To be fair the only time I've been uncomfortable at a match with her was torquay away, she was fine, I was just a bit uncomfy with the environment

[Sabreman]

Just to put a spanner in the works if you like, I went in the family stand last season with my son who was then six my brother and his lad who was nine at the time. My lad loves it, a particular incident on the pitch resulted in my emotions getting the better of me so jumped up from my seat and shouted something but not nastily or any swearing. My brothers lad cowered in his seat and was absolutely petrified, this was his first match and he or my brother hasn't been since.
Granted I wasn't singing or trying to start a chant but even so a raised voice is enough at times, I have read this thread and I can 100% assure the doubters some children do get scared in the family stand if an adult they don't know shouts stands up quickly whatever scenario you want.
I have taken my son to several games in our new ground and on two occasions he has cowered in his seat both times due to a large adult jumping up from his seat in front of us joining in with singing from the kop.
No matter what anyone says the cop is the traditional place to start the chants and always will be, that then filters to the East and West stands.

[Scooby Doo]

metallilad, on 18 September 2012 - 12:21 PM, said:

The whole debate is going off topic here.
Its whole poinnt is that the atmosphere always has and should start in the kop, there hasn't been any atmosphere coming from the kop.
Not like it use to.
To try and turn it round into saying that the atmosphere should start from the family stand is pathetic.

Absolute rubbish anyone within the ground can start a song it doesn't always have to be the kop. BTW no-one is suggesting for a minutes that it's the family stand responsibility to get the kop singing

This post has been edited by C C CFC: 18 September 2012 - 03:19 PM

[Scooby Doo]

valemadness, on 18 September 2012 - 12:50 PM, said:

Again, sitting in the East stand I'm always clapping and trying to get every one to join in but the 1 main song that is sung is barmy army and after singing that 4 or 5 times it gets boring and the kids get bored with it!!! BTW the end of Super Jack Lester gets changed to will make you look rubbish.
One of the main problems is that when the kop starts singing it can take a verse for it to filter to the other stands and by the time we've started singing, the kop stops, which means the kids stop.
We need more variety and longevity of chants, and at the moment whether anyone wants to admit it or not, if the drum ain't playing, no-one's singing.

Talking about the drum I think it is brilliant when it gets going but it's not loud enough to get the stadium rocking (sorry you folk in the Kop).

This post has been edited by C C CFC: 18 September 2012 - 03:43 PM