[jonnythespireite]

GB1984, on 16 September 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Not quite true. I like Randall (tho I'd obviously keep Whitts). My closes Town watching pal thinks Randall is streets ahead of anyone else in the side in terms of creativity and he's right. I'd like to see a new manager come in , kick Randall up the kilt while telling him how great he is and build the side around him. Seeing as we almost blew it yesterday against 10, we need to create more clear cut chances and Randall is the only answer. Play 4-5-1 with Jack as dynamic sub: kidnap a rich banker and ransom a mill or two out of him (or her, I'm not fussy), and buy 2 modern wide players with some pace and have 2 of Whitts/ Togwell/Atko working hard around Randall. We ain't got speed at full back so we desperately need it further up the park. On yesterday's showing, Craigie boy can go (and so can Clay and Allott). 4-3-3 with no pace out wide is not going to put us in the top 5, for me, despite the fact that 2/3 of the side cd prob hack in L1.

Arguably the most ridiculous post I've read in a while. Have you overdone it on the ribena??

This post has been edited by jonnythespireite: 16 September 2012 - 07:42 PM

[dtp]

GB1984, on 16 September 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Not quite true. I like Randall (tho I'd obviously keep Whitts). My closes Town watching pal thinks Randall is streets ahead of anyone else in the side in terms of creativity and he's right. I'd like to see a new manager come in , kick Randall up the kilt while telling him how great he is and build the side around him. Seeing as we almost blew it yesterday against 10, we need to create more clear cut chances and Randall is the only answer. Play 4-5-1 with Jack as dynamic sub: kidnap a rich banker and ransom a mill or two out of him (or her, I'm not fussy), and buy 2 modern wide players with some pace and have 2 of Whitts/ Togwell/Atko working hard around Randall. We ain't got speed at full back so we desperately need it further up the park. On yesterday's showing, Craigie boy can go (and so can Clay and Allott). 4-3-3 with no pace out wide is not going to put us in the top 5, for me, despite the fact that 2/3 of the side cd prob hack in L1.

We created chances yesterday - we scored 3 and could have had several more.

We only struggled defensively and can never keep a clean sheet.

So at 2-0 up how would Randall have helped us defensively?

[PositiveOmen]

I don't understand how someone can be called 'the most creative player in the squad', when they can't do it consistently on the pitch when it matters.

It's thinking like that, that creates players like Morgan.

[RPL42YEARS]

dtp, on 16 September 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

First sensible post you've made about Mark Randall to date.

You are spot on - the ball's firmly and squarely in Randall's court so let's hope the penny drops.

I'd love to think Randall becomes the midfielder you keep on dominating these message boards about but until he learns to dominate midfield like you do these boards then I am afraid he will continue on his downhill slope into oblivion.

As yet RPL he has not earned the adulation you continually give him. It is not Mark Allott or Danny Whitiker holding Mark Randall back - it is no other than Mark Randall himself.

Its a pity for all concerned that we don't have some pits in North Derbyshire anymore. It might open his eyes as to how priviledged he is re the capability that he has, and as yet, seems unconcerned to make the most of it. There are harder and far less remunerative ways to earn a living.

[GB1984]

jonnythespireite, on 16 September 2012 - 07:42 PM, said:

Arguably the most ridiculous post I've read in a while. Have you overdone it on the ribena??

oh, please, Mr, don't insult me, I might starting crying in a minute....

Why don't you tell us what you think about how the team should play instead of behaving like a child. Or don't you actually watch Town?*

*That is not an invitation to tell me when you first smelt the cinder track at Saltergate and how you once went to see Town away on a Tuesday night and it snowed.

[GB1984]

dtp, on 16 September 2012 - 07:48 PM, said:

We created chances yesterday - we scored 3 and could have had several more.

We only struggled defensively and can never keep a clean sheet.

So at 2-0 up how would Randall have helped us defensively?

We're not creative enough - and weren't yesterday after from a great burst of it to get us a pen and to 2-0 (against 10).

More problematically, we were by-passed in midfield far, far too easily.

I'm just suggesting that a 5 might be a viable solution.

Can you not read? Randall, in a 5, can be carried. Think Scholes can defend? (haven't time to cite more examples of same, there's summat good on the telly).

PositiveOmen, on 16 September 2012 - 07:51 PM, said:

I don't understand how someone can be called 'the most creative player in the squad', when they can't do it consistently on the pitch when it matters.

It's thinking like that, that creates players like Morgan.

Beggar off, Randall needs a run in the team before you can say that. He's not had one yet.
Or if you want to be pedantic, he has the most creative ability of anyone in the squad.

[SpireiteFitzy]

GB1984, on 16 September 2012 - 08:10 PM, said:

We're not creative enough - and weren't yesterday after from a great burst of it to get us a pen and to 2-0 (against 10).

More problematically, we were by-passed in midfield far, far too easily.

I'm just suggesting that a 5 might be a viable solution.

Can you not read? Randall, in a 5, can be carried. Think Scholes can defend? (haven't time to cite more examples of same, there's summat good on the telly).

Scholes has played most of his career in a 4 man midfield so that point is irrelevant. No team should have to carry a player just so they can utilise a few passes. He doesn't offer enough of an all round game to be considered very useful.

[PositiveOmen]

GB1984, on 16 September 2012 - 08:12 PM, said:

We're not creative enough - and weren't yesterday after from a great burst of it to get us a pen and to 2-0 (against 10).

More problematically, we were by-passed in midfield far, far too easily.

I'm just suggesting that a 5 might be a viable solution.

Can you not read? Randall, in a 5, can be carried. Think Scholes can defend? (haven't time to cite more examples of same, there's summat good on the telly).



Beggar off, Randall needs a run in the team before you can say that. He's not had one yet.
Or if you want to be pedantic, he has the most creative ability of anyone in the squad.

He will get more chances. But the chances he's had, he's largely not turned up for.


There's no point having ability without the right attitude/football brain. And it's one of those that's stopping him from doing what he should be doing.

I'm not comparing him to Morgan right now, but if a player doesn't do it on the pitch, but still gets lauded with praise, he may go around like he's already made it.

I hope Mark is made of better stuff.

[jonnythespireite]

GB1984, on 16 September 2012 - 08:06 PM, said:

oh, please, Mr, don't insult me, I might starting crying in a minute....

Why don't you tell us what you think about how the team should play instead of behaving like a child. Or don't you actually watch Town?*

*That is not an invitation to tell me when you first smelt the cinder track at Saltergate and how you once went to see Town away on a Tuesday night and it snowed.

I really can't be ar$ed to get involved in your little world. You're new here aren't you and you've decided to be mr berty big bollox. Well good luck.

If you want to chat it thru East stand k 115.

[Doughnut]

GB1984, on 16 September 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Not quite true. I like Randall (tho I'd obviously keep Whitts). My closes Town watching pal thinks Randall is streets ahead of anyone else in the side in terms of creativity and he's right. I'd like to see a new manager come in , kick Randall up the kilt while telling him how great he is and build the side around him. Seeing as we almost blew it yesterday against 10, we need to create more clear cut chances and Randall is the only answer. Play 4-5-1 with Jack as dynamic sub: kidnap a rich banker and ransom a mill or two out of him (or her, I'm not fussy), and buy 2 modern wide players with some pace and have 2 of Whitts/ Togwell/Atko working hard around Randall. We ain't got speed at full back so we desperately need it further up the park. On yesterday's showing, Craigie boy can go (and so can Clay and Allott). 4-3-3 with no pace out wide is not going to put us in the top 5, for me, despite the fact that 2/3 of the side cd prob hack in L1.

If Randall was so much better than anything else in this league and an absolute match winner I wouldn't object to building a team around him. I don't think he is.

I don't see any reason why we can't play a 4-3-3 with Randall as part of the midfield 3 (I don't think Whitaker could be one of the other two). 4-5-1 is ok if you have the right man to play the lone striker - I'm not convinced we have!

[Wooden Spoon]

dtp, on 16 September 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

First sensible post you've made about Mark Randall to date.

You are spot on - the ball's firmly and squarely in Randall's court so let's hope the penny drops.

I'd love to think Randall becomes the midfielder you keep on dominating boring these message boards about but until he learns to dominate midfield like you do these boards then I am afraid he will continue on his downhill slope into oblivion.

As yet RPL he has not earned the adulation you continually give him. It is not Mark Allott or Danny Whitiker holding Mark Randall back - it is no other than Mark Randall himself.

[Wooden Spoon]

GB1984, on 16 September 2012 - 07:32 PM, said:

Not quite true. I like Randall (tho I'd obviously keep Whitts). My closes Town watching pal thinks Randall is streets ahead of anyone else in the side in terms of creativity and he's right. I'd like to see a new manager come in , kick Randall up the kilt while telling him how great he is and build the side around him. Seeing as we almost blew it yesterday against 10, we need to create more clear cut chances and Randall is the only answer. Play 4-5-1 with Jack as dynamic sub: kidnap a rich banker and ransom a mill or two out of him (or her, I'm not fussy), and buy 2 modern wide players with some pace and have 2 of Whitts/ Togwell/Atko working hard around Randall. We ain't got speed at full back so we desperately need it further up the park. On yesterday's showing, Craigie boy can go (and so can Clay and Allott). 4-3-3 with no pace out wide is not going to put us in the top 5, for me, despite the fact that 2/3 of the side cd prob hack in L1.

Well hes had 3 seasons in the bottom 2 divisions to get to grips with it, and still is lacking.

He just hasnt done enough. Hiding in the centre circle while the game passes you by looking for the hollywood pass is what Jamie Winter used to do, and its how MR is going as well.

Maybe he could play out on thr right in a Beckham style `winger` but I really dont see the workrate in him, which is a shame as he is talented.

[Radders]

necronomicon ex mortis, on 16 September 2012 - 09:34 PM, said:

Well hes had 3 seasons in the bottom 2 divisions to get to grips with it, and still is lacking.

He just hasnt done enough. Hiding in the centre circle while the game passes you by looking for the hollywood pass is what Jamie Winter used to do, and its how MR is going as well.

Maybe he could play out on thr right in a Beckham style `winger` but I really dont see the workrate in him, which is a shame as he is talented.

I've just read this entire thread (perhaps I should get a life) - anyway, it seems to me that almost everyone thinks Randall is a good player. After that it is a case of if he's shown the right attitude or not. Personally I think we have to point a huge digit at Mr Sheridan. If he thought Randall was the right player to bring in, then he should have had the courage of his convictions and played the lad if it hadn't worked what would have been the worse thing that could have happened? I'll tell you what - we could have got relegated - but we managed to do that anyway. I like Randall - he's a proper midfielder - he finds space and hits a nice ball - and for all those who say he can't tackle..... aggghhh - give it a rest. He does put a challenge in. Ok he may not be a muscle bound freak, but that doesn't mean he can't put a shift in. I remember people saying Phil Bonneyman was garbage because he walked off Saltergate with white shorts - what they didn't realise was that Bonneyman was so good he didn't need to get them dirty. Randall has played a handful of games and people hate him, there were people round me doubting Richards after two games, and they now think he was a reasonable signing.
I'm a town fan

This post has been edited by Radders: 16 September 2012 - 10:08 PM

[Yenx]

RPL42YEARS, on 16 September 2012 - 06:34 PM, said:

I agree - the balls in Randall's court.

That's tennis.

This is football.

For what it's worth, I think Randall IS a good player.
I think an extended run in the team will do him good in the long run.

Unfortunately, it won't do the team good in the short term, which is what we need at the moment.

[GB1984]

Doughnut, on 16 September 2012 - 08:54 PM, said:

If Randall was so much better than anything else in this league and an absolute match winner I wouldn't object to building a team around him. I don't think he is.

I don't see any reason why we can't play a 4-3-3 with Randall as part of the midfield 3 (I don't think Whitaker could be one of the other two). 4-5-1 is ok if you have the right man to play the lone striker - I'm not convinced we have!

Well, I'm not convinced it would work either! I'm just throwing out a suggestion.

I thought Richards was our MOTM yesterday. I'm really beginning to like him. Only a matter of time before he starts busting the net. Would he be happy on his own? Do a job? Dunno. It's about getting support from behind him in the box and wide players providing some sort of service and support (cf. Spurs' third goal today where Bale created the space for Defoe to score).

As for Randall - the doubters could easily be absolutely right. But as Radders said just now, JS didn't give him a chance last season. And it would be really interesting to see what he can do, because his touch and his passing is miles ahead of anyone we've got, though Atko hit a couple of nice ones.

I know someone said we created some chances yesterday, and they're right, and it was encouraging. But to see us play so badly at 2-0, in the sense of not really having a fluency or coherence has me worried about the rest of the season, a worry that will only grow if Tommy gets the job. I was sick of going to the ground last season and seeing every side apart from that shower of blue and white Bunkum from Owlerton pass and move us off the pitch. Even Yeovil looked a much better outfit than us in terms of having an organised pattern of team play that was closer to Barca than Wimbledon circa 87. Which is the way the modern game is going. Wycombe could have done us yesterday with their good passing and it would have been a total sickener. I really don't want to see us beached by modern developments in a game that is evolving fast.

I wonder whether, Mr. 42Years, you had some of these thoughts in mind when you suggested at the off that we should start shipping out the old reliables, Allott, Whitt and Talbot...

As for my Scholes point being irrelevant. United haven't played 4-4-2 all that much in the past few seasons. So if you're counting their wide players, he has played a lot in a 5 in midfield. So...

[Yenx]

You can't discount the mental state of many of the players yesterday.
I know (from all the mutterings) all the fans around me expected the team to screw it up at 2-0 and against 10 men - that's what happens when you've been on a losing/drawing/not performing streak.

The players aren't immune from such thoughts either.

Hopefully it's a blip in confidence that this win will help to iron out.
Optimistic? Me? Yeah, why not. Being pessimistic won't change the outcome of any game, but it certainly makes MY day to day life a lot easier

[GB1984]

Yenx, on 16 September 2012 - 10:31 PM, said:

You can't discount the mental state of many of the players yesterday.
I know (from all the mutterings) all the fans around me expected the team to screw it up at 2-0 and against 10 men - that's what happens when you've been on a losing/drawing/not performing streak.

The players aren't immune from such thoughts either.

Hopefully it's a blip in confidence that this win will help to iron out.
Optimistic? Me? Yeah, why not. Being pessimistic won't change the outcome of any game, but it certainly makes MY day to day life a lot easier

Yenx, I hope you're not suggesting that to have doubts about the quality of the side is to be "pessimistic"? It hacks me off when concerns are seeing as "being negative" and that there are only 2 positions to hold on the state of the team and its progress: "Yay, hay, we're going to get promoted!" and "We're crud, we've 'ad it, Tahn've allus lerrus dahn."....

[Yenx]

No I'm not saying that at all.

I'm just saying that yesterday was a good result.
We won by a 2 goal margin.

Confidence of any team is a massive factor - no matter who they are, what league they're in.
We badly needed a win and we got one.

[GB1984]

jonnythespireite, on 16 September 2012 - 08:17 PM, said:

I really can't be ar$ed to get involved in your little world. You're new here aren't you and you've decided to be mr berty big bollox. Well good luck.

If you want to chat it thru East stand k 115.

The smart anus act is just a response to you being so bl**dy nasty to RPL42Years. Three sneering posts that just destroy a lot of people's idea of a good message board: one where people talk about football or music or whatever in an enjoyable way without brutal, contemptuous insults being thrown about left and right. And if the fighting was fair it wouldn't be quite so bad, but there's ganging up going on and it's really, seriously unpleasant to look at. If you want to slag someone off, why you start on Gary Megson or Chris Kamara, or Alan Shearer: then we can all join in.

New? New handle, maybe...

[GB1984]

Yenx, on 16 September 2012 - 10:38 PM, said:

No I'm not saying that at all.

I'm just saying that yesterday was a good result.
We won by a 2 goal margin.

Confidence of any team is a massive factor - no matter who they are, what league they're in.
We badly needed a win and we got one.

For sure, for sure, needed it badly. Got it. Relief. Accrington Tuesday. Maybe another 3 points, onward and upward.

I just hope that Mr. Big didn't see that or hear about it and think, right, Tommy's the man, because I think we need someone to come in and really organise us and getting us playing - hah!:like Yeovil. Where one might go except look at where they are this season! This team is not playing to its potential by a long way, I don't think, but I think it's about more than confidence. And there are bits that need fixing, no?