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MDCCCLXVI, on 11 February 2012 - 03:54 PM, said:
I really can't be bothered to read through the entirety of this thread, but putting aside my amusement at the delusion on display from these Rovrum interlopers i'll post a few inarguable facts.
Both ourselves and Rovrum have had our ups and downs over the years and yes, there's no denying they've tasted second tier football since our last visit to those environs. But the simple truth is they found football at that level unsustainable as they couldn't raise the necessary support.
Subsequently we're both lower league clubs vying for a marginally higher league placing or slightly superior attendances.
We experienced a brush with administration in the early part of this century, but that was down to a corrupt Chairman rather than a dearth of support. Indeed the whole town rallied round to save CFC in the wake of that episode. On the other hand RUFC visited administration not once but twice for one inescapable reason: they couldn't get enough locals through the turnstyles to sustain a football club in the town. A quarter of a million population yet all but a tiny minority snub their local outfit. What's more i can fully understand why businesses in the area are reluctant to have anything to do with them because of their disgraceful behaviour when exiting administration.
Any 'community' aspect to their plans must surely be an ironic laughing stock amongst such businesses.
Now both ourselves and Rovrum have enjoyed the backing of millionaires over recent years, backing that's seen new stadiums built and new ambitions expressed. However whilst it took only two seasons for Town to achieve success - Championship winning succes - our near neighbours continue to find themselves bumbling and stumbling around in front of embarrassingly low crowds. Will this bizarrely named 'New York' stadium provide a much needed stimulus? Well new grounds always do, yet the fear that's seen these silly Millers appear on our messageboards spouting desperate misinformation has to be that this last throw of the red and white dice doesn't attract the attendances their rhetoric suggests.
And whatever their fans may bombastically claim, the bottom line is that a football club representing a town more than twice the size of Chesterfield is building a venue only a fraction larger. It seems even Tony Stewart realises the stark reality of the situation.
That's right. Twenty million quid, questionable ownership, subsidies and donations that raise eyebrows, and all for around sixteen hundred more seats than the b2net. Errr, wow. I guess the dynamics of the build offer a more imposing vista, but when we dissect the fundamentals there's one main stand surrounded by three sides of Scunthorpe-esque mundanity. Meanwhile our ground has two stands encompassing facilities whilst exhibiting an eye-pleasing symmetry.
I know which i prefer, both aesthetically and financially.
Y'know, despite all this there's still a part of me that empathises, perhaps even sympathises with the Rovrum faithfull. Like them, we know what it's like to live on the outskirts of Sheffield. Like them, we know what it's like to see folk from our catchment area support the Deedah clubs (though in fairness we don't have town center pubs running Wednesday/United supporters clubs and coaches to their games. It could be argued that RUFC aren't even the biggest club in Rotherham, never mind anywhere else!). And of course like them we know what it's like to be an average third/fourth division club playing in front of three or four thousand.
I guess the big difference is, though, that we're honest enough to admit it whilst they post absurd attempts to convince people otherwise.
Both ourselves and Rovrum have had our ups and downs over the years and yes, there's no denying they've tasted second tier football since our last visit to those environs. But the simple truth is they found football at that level unsustainable as they couldn't raise the necessary support.
Subsequently we're both lower league clubs vying for a marginally higher league placing or slightly superior attendances.
We experienced a brush with administration in the early part of this century, but that was down to a corrupt Chairman rather than a dearth of support. Indeed the whole town rallied round to save CFC in the wake of that episode. On the other hand RUFC visited administration not once but twice for one inescapable reason: they couldn't get enough locals through the turnstyles to sustain a football club in the town. A quarter of a million population yet all but a tiny minority snub their local outfit. What's more i can fully understand why businesses in the area are reluctant to have anything to do with them because of their disgraceful behaviour when exiting administration.
Any 'community' aspect to their plans must surely be an ironic laughing stock amongst such businesses.
Now both ourselves and Rovrum have enjoyed the backing of millionaires over recent years, backing that's seen new stadiums built and new ambitions expressed. However whilst it took only two seasons for Town to achieve success - Championship winning succes - our near neighbours continue to find themselves bumbling and stumbling around in front of embarrassingly low crowds. Will this bizarrely named 'New York' stadium provide a much needed stimulus? Well new grounds always do, yet the fear that's seen these silly Millers appear on our messageboards spouting desperate misinformation has to be that this last throw of the red and white dice doesn't attract the attendances their rhetoric suggests.
And whatever their fans may bombastically claim, the bottom line is that a football club representing a town more than twice the size of Chesterfield is building a venue only a fraction larger. It seems even Tony Stewart realises the stark reality of the situation.
That's right. Twenty million quid, questionable ownership, subsidies and donations that raise eyebrows, and all for around sixteen hundred more seats than the b2net. Errr, wow. I guess the dynamics of the build offer a more imposing vista, but when we dissect the fundamentals there's one main stand surrounded by three sides of Scunthorpe-esque mundanity. Meanwhile our ground has two stands encompassing facilities whilst exhibiting an eye-pleasing symmetry.
I know which i prefer, both aesthetically and financially.
Y'know, despite all this there's still a part of me that empathises, perhaps even sympathises with the Rovrum faithfull. Like them, we know what it's like to live on the outskirts of Sheffield. Like them, we know what it's like to see folk from our catchment area support the Deedah clubs (though in fairness we don't have town center pubs running Wednesday/United supporters clubs and coaches to their games. It could be argued that RUFC aren't even the biggest club in Rotherham, never mind anywhere else!). And of course like them we know what it's like to be an average third/fourth division club playing in front of three or four thousand.
I guess the big difference is, though, that we're honest enough to admit it whilst they post absurd attempts to convince people otherwise.
let get a few facts right...
1 our New Stadium cost £17 million not £20 million
2 just because we have only about 1600 more seats doesn't mean the ground is not worth the money as a lot of money has been spent on facilities inside the stadium so it will be open 24/7
3 your comparing crowds on an uneven field 1st we are playing out of town but still averaged the same if not more that you did at saltergate, now your crowds have increased thanks to your new ground so the comparison should be made when we are in our new ground...
4. of course you favour B2net because your a Chesterfield fan but you trying to compare B2net against an half built stadium and you don't know what facilities will be available in New York stadium..
5 the CVA when coming out of administration was offered to the creditors it was them that rejected the CVA...so how on earth can that be disgraceful when it wasn't even the current boards debt..
part of your post is certainly true but also some of it is complete rubbish yes there are many companies that won't get involved with the millers just like companies in other towns won't get involved with there football club but there are companies that will and are involved in the millers including big companies..
