[evospire]

why bring on strikers when we are 1 nil up ?

he's done this before this season - did it away at Wycombe

why take Lester off - he proved on Monday night that he can be very very quiet in a game and score on 88 mins - ok he won't do it everytime but he certainly won't do it when he's sitting on the bench.

[RPL42YEARS]

evospire, on 04 February 2012 - 08:38 PM, said:

why bring on strikers when we are 1 nil up ?

he's done this before this season - did it away at Wycombe

why take Lester off - he proved on Monday night that he can be very very quiet in a game and score on 88 mins - ok he won't do it everytime but he certainly won't do it when he's sitting on the bench.

Because he's not the sharpest knife in the draw

[Blueprint]

if ajose would have scored one of those two chances no one would probably be complaining.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

RPL42YEARS, on 04 February 2012 - 08:47 PM, said:

Because he's not the sharpest knife in the draw

Weren't you saying the other week Lester shouldn't be playing with Jack away from home? Now you want him to do the full 90? About turn left right

[azul]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on 04 February 2012 - 09:15 PM, said:

Weren't you saying the other week Lester shouldn't be playing with Jack away from home? Now you want him to do the full 90? About turn left right

Don't know about RPL but that was what Shezza was saying last season

[evospire]

azul, on 04 February 2012 - 09:27 PM, said:

Don't know about RPL but that was what Shezza was saying last season

i don't think we can afford to end games at the moment without jack on the pitch whether he starts or not

[jack bauer]

substitutions have generally been poor since game one this season, it is the managers way of changing a game, so i was surprised to hear the changes today, Jack and Scott can both hold the ball up, are clever players who will hold onto it, Jack is a master, he could have helped slow the game down, win a few throws, free kicks, i'm not sure we needed to go for pace late on in the game today, it is as if sometimes we get a bit too excited down in the techy area rather than thinking about how can we win this game from the position we are in. I dunno, of course if they come on and score we all say well done, trouble is it hasn;t happened and not for the first time this season the substitutions just haven't come off

[Spire Power]

Blueprint, on 04 February 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

if ajose would have scored one of those two chances no one would probably be complaining.

I am sure you are right, but he didn't and it seems Hurst set Carlisle up for a winner. Its incidents like this that decide games and ultimately decide where you end up in the table.

[Spireite-Karl]

jack bauer, on 04 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

substitutions have generally been poor since game one this season, it is the managers way of changing a game, so i was surprised to hear the changes today, Jack and Scott can both hold the ball up, are clever players who will hold onto it, Jack is a master, he could have helped slow the game down, win a few throws, free kicks, i'm not sure we needed to go for pace late on in the game today, it is as if sometimes we get a bit too excited down in the techy area rather than thinking about how can we win this game from the position we are in. I dunno, of course if they come on and score we all say well done, trouble is it hasn;t happened and not for the first time this season the substitutions just haven't come off

Spot on for me.

[Goku]

jack bauer, on 04 February 2012 - 09:58 PM, said:

substitutions have generally been poor since game one this season, it is the managers way of changing a game, so i was surprised to hear the changes today, Jack and Scott can both hold the ball up, are clever players who will hold onto it, Jack is a master, he could have helped slow the game down, win a few throws, free kicks, i'm not sure we needed to go for pace late on in the game today, it is as if sometimes we get a bit too excited down in the techy area rather than thinking about how can we win this game from the position we are in. I dunno, of course if they come on and score we all say well done, trouble is it hasn;t happened and not for the first time this season the substitutions just haven't come off

Did you go? Ajose came on and had two gilt-edged chances to score and he messed both of them up.

[Spireite-Karl]

Haslandboi, on 05 February 2012 - 08:52 AM, said:

Did you go? Ajose came on and had two gilt-edged chances to score and he messed both of them up.

You could argue it was a bad substitution then Josh

[Goku]

Just saying it is far from 'spot on' and even if you watch the goals it's nothing to do with us being gung-ho, we conceded from a corner and a bad pass back.

If Ajose had done his job we'd be coming away with 3 points. If Hurst had done his we'd be coming away with at least 1 point. Don't see what the subs have to do with this tbh.

[Spireite-Karl]

Haslandboi, on 05 February 2012 - 08:55 AM, said:

Just saying it is far from 'spot on' and even if you watch the goals it's nothing to do with us being gung-ho, we conceded from a corner and a bad pass back.

If Ajose had done his job we'd be coming away with 3 points. If Hurst had done his we'd be coming away with at least 1 point. Don't see what the subs have to do with this tbh.

Obviously I'm not as informed as you and you are probably correct. All I can go on is what I've seen prior and this doesn't inspire me if I'm honest (and I usually am )

How did Ajose and Bowery take care of the ball as outlets as you could argue that was what we needed more than pace to try for the killer goal? What I'm getting at is Sheridan doesn't know how to set his stall out to hold on to points. It's either backs to the wall desperate defending or the game is to open.

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 05 February 2012 - 09:01 AM

[Goku]

Spireite-Karl, on 05 February 2012 - 09:01 AM, said:

Obviously I'm not as informed as you and you are probably correct. All I can go on is what I've seen prior and this doesn't inspire me if I'm honest (and I usually am )

How did Ajose and Bowery take care of the ball as outlets as you could argue that was what we needed more than pace to try for the killer goal? What I'm getting at is Sheridan doesn't know how to set his stall out to hold on to points. It's either backs to the wall desperate defending or the game is to open.

Ajose was good with everything bar his finishing. He came on and instantly skinned a man from a standing start with a stepover and then shot wide with his left foot. He held onto the ball well and I was impressed with his performance and to be fair his chances weren't the easiest and both fell on his weaker left foot. Bowery came on with about ten minutes to go and barely got a touch. Not sure what you mean about 'needed more than pace'? Like I say, if he'd scored one of his two chances the likelihood is we would be going back with 3 points so no, I don't think we did need more than pace for the killer goal.

Tend to agree here but even so, none of the goals yesterday were Sheridan's fault - they were individual errors.

[Spireite-Karl]

Haslandboi, on 05 February 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ajose was good with everything bar his finishing. He came on and instantly skinned a man from a standing start with a stepover and then shot wide with his left foot. He held onto the ball well and I was impressed with his performance and to be fair his chances weren't the easiest and both fell on his weaker left foot. Bowery came on with about ten minutes to go and barely got a touch. Not sure what you mean about 'needed more than pace'? Like I say, if he'd scored one of his two chances the likelihood is we would be going back with 3 points so no, I don't think we did need more than pace for the killer goal.

Tend to agree here but even so, none of the goals yesterday were Sheridan's fault - they were individual errors.

What I mean by my comment that it could be argued (I don't know as I wasn't there, hence the argued), that if we were holding the ball up well to give us an outlet and this was working, why change it for pace? If your saying Ajose held the ball up well for the team then fair dos; thats basically what I'm saying... at 1-0 up we needed to keep hold of the ball as much as we could.

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 05 February 2012 - 09:16 AM

[Kev]

Haslandboi, on 05 February 2012 - 09:08 AM, said:

Ajose was good with everything bar his finishing. He came on and instantly skinned a man from a standing start with a stepover and then shot wide with his left foot. He held onto the ball well and I was impressed with his performance and to be fair his chances weren't the easiest and both fell on his weaker left foot. Bowery came on with about ten minutes to go and barely got a touch. Not sure what you mean about 'needed more than pace'? Like I say, if he'd scored one of his two chances the likelihood is we would be going back with 3 points so no, I don't think we did need more than pace for the killer goal.

Tend to agree here but even so, none of the goals yesterday were Sheridan's fault - they were individual errors.

Both goals came from mistakes unfortunately this is the downside of bringing young loan players in there mistakes can cost you games part of the learning curve.Ajose looks a class act good movement can beat a man and plenty of pace he will be a asset...

[Goku]

Spireite-Karl, on 05 February 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

What I mean by my comment that it could be argued (I don't know as I wasn't there, hence the argued), that if we were holding the ball up well to give us an outlet and this was working, why change it for pace? If your saying Ajose held the ball up well for the team then fair dos; thats basically what I'm saying... at 1-0 up we needed to keep hold of the ball as much as we could.

We don't really have a player who can hold the ball up.. We've got Jack who was on the pitch and Bowery who came on later. For what it's worth I don't think Sheridan did much wrong, it was just individual errors - that's that I'm afraid.

I think you want Sheridan to be psychic tbh

[Kev]

Spireite-Karl, on 05 February 2012 - 09:16 AM, said:

What I mean by my comment that it could be argued (I don't know as I wasn't there, hence the argued), that if we were holding the ball up well to give us an outlet and this was working, why change it for pace? If your saying Ajose held the ball up well for the team then fair dos; thats basically what I'm saying... at 1-0 up we needed to keep hold of the ball as much as we could.

Look it does not matter if you keep the ball for long periods if you do not get basic marking right from a corner you will more than likely concede,and the second goal is poor judgement from a young player who you could argue was trying to keep possession by giving his keeper the ball....

[RPL42YEARS]

Haslandboi, on 05 February 2012 - 09:28 AM, said:

We don't really have a player who can hold the ball up.. We've got Jack who was on the pitch and Bowery who came on later. For what it's worth I don't think Sheridan did much wrong, it was just individual errors - that's that I'm afraid.

I think you want Sheridan to be psychic tbh

Isn't that the point - with the width and pace that we have its criminal that we don't have the big powerful target man option (... and no this definition doesn't include Bowrey)? That's why I feel Knil at Scunny has played a blinder getting Jon Parkin on loan from Cardiff City.

This post has been edited by RPL42YEARS: 05 February 2012 - 10:18 AM

[Goku]

I agree, I would like a target man to come in but we haven't got one so I'm not gonna cry about it.