[Sammy Spireite]

Dema Reborn, on 25 September 2011 - 10:13 PM, said:

Would anyone else like to register the fact just like Simon that the handball WAS NOT BLATANT,he said it not me and apart from the bald lino and referee and most in the vicinity thought it was you could even here the thankyou god from the home fans.

Wrongly rule in our favour,i will pass on that one.....i expect like every other fan that the laws of the game be applied fairly,i don't think he dared not to wave play on with the penalty he actually gave us,but i bet it crossed his mind for a split second he hadn't got the bald lino to help him out this time had he.........

so you didnt see the same lino you slate immediately place his flag across his chest when Clarke was fouled then either??

And i will re-itterate just so you can build up support against me if you like, I DID NOT THINK IT WAS A BLATANT PENALTY, I appealed for it, as anyone would, but it was far from Nailed On, Cast iron, stonewall. But what made it more confusing was the same incident was given twice when outside the box, once against Talbot and once against their left back.

i thought the officials, on the whole, had a decent game, they certainly werent the worst weve had this season by a long shot, and definitely weren't respossible for us not getting anything from the game!

[Rodney's Moustache]

Sammy Spireite, on 25 September 2011 - 10:33 PM, said:

so you didnt see the same lino you slate immediately place his flag across his chest when Clarke was fouled then either??

And i will re-itterate just so you can build up support against me if you like, I DID NOT THINK IT WAS A BLATANT PENALTY, I appealed for it, as anyone would, but it was far from Nailed On, Cast iron, stonewall. But what made it more confusing was the same incident was given twice when outside the box, once against Talbot and once against their left back.

i thought the officials, on the whole, had a decent game, they certainly werent the worst weve had this season by a long shot, and definitely weren't respossible for us not getting anything from the game!

Didn't go but it wasn't a blatant penalty. I'm with you all the way on this referees conspiracy theory Sammy. Coming from a MU fan where at Old Trashford the ref plays on till they get the winner it's laughable.

This post has been edited by Rodney's Moustache: 26 September 2011 - 07:45 AM

[DIFH]

Rodney, on 26 September 2011 - 07:45 AM, said:

Didn't go but it wasn't a blatant penalty. I'm with you all the way on this referees conspiracy theory Sammy. Coming from a MU fan where at Old Trashford the ref plays on till they get the winner it's laughable.

Believe me guys this incident was a double hand ball, **** the incident at the other end - the officials saw one but not the other, one doesn't cancel the other out.

[CAFC AL]

We also had a 100% stonewall pen turned down in the 2nd half when Taylor was cut down and the ref was watching a diff game a booked Taylor!!?!?!

[Siberian Spireite]

Dema Reborn, on 26 September 2011 - 08:15 AM, said:

Roll your neck in,i have said nothing about a conspiracy and why the hell do ppl bring United into it everytime,well you asked for it United don't get it all there own way,Hernandez put out of the last two games by horrible challenges when a red card and penalties should have been awarded and nothing given.....

Our blatant handball,it looks entirely different to the SP view from behind the goal i was directly in line with it,everybody was and apart from the ref and lino everyone knew it was a cert penalty,if you wasn't there you do not have a valid say.....

Hernandez is out? Shame. Diver who looks like a lesbian.

I watched the game from above the halfway line and yes, we probably should have had the pen for handball, and I honestly think the decision to book the Charlton player was an excellent one as our lad seemed to win the ball.

The officials were okay overall, and as Simon says, didn't affect the outcome, which was the team which controlled the game winning.

What I can never quite grasp, Dema, is, who would you actually like to officiate the game? How is it that you think every official is poor, every week? It's a difficult job and certainly one I'd never do due to the constant stick from all sides.

[dim view]

Dema Reborn, on 25 September 2011 - 10:46 PM, said:

the handball was blatant it was 2 handed pushed into the ground i was staring straight at it,couldn't miss it,where was the lino looking 10 yards away and totally ignored it and on the back of it our manager is looking at a fine and touch line ban,decent game by the officials my bottom....

It wasn't blatant. It was one of those where half the people agree with the official interpretation and half don't. The ball struck the defender's arm whilst it was away from his body. I would have given it, but it's one of those that the home team will tend to get. It will always be a matter of interpretation, always has been, and always will be. It doesn't help that you haven't described it accurately. The lino had a much better view than you.

[twistedspire]

It wasn't a blatent penalty, it struck the arm of the defender and he slid to block the cross.
However,the main gripe is that it was more of a hand ball than the one given against drew which led to their second goal. Drew's arms never left his side whereas the charlton players arms were nowhere near his body.

[frearsghost]

Dema Reborn, on 26 September 2011 - 08:15 AM, said:

Roll your neck in,i have said nothing about a conspiracy and why the hell do ppl bring United into it everytime,well you asked for it United don't get it all there own way,Hernandez put out of the last two games by horrible challenges when a red card and penalties should have been awarded and nothing given.....

Our blatant handball,it looks entirely different to the SP view from behind the goal i was directly in line with it,everybody was and apart from the ref and lino everyone knew it was a cert penalty,if you wasn't there you do not have a valid say.....

I agree with Dema. What the camera doesn't show was that it was indeed a 'two hands' hand ball. I was in front of the defender and I saw him blatently pushing the ball down with his left hand at the same time as it hit his right wrist/arm area. From behind, the camera doesnt show this. All we see on the telly is the ball hitting his right arm. Incidently the referee had a good view of that.

Sheridans dead right. Talbot says he didn't handle the ball for the free kick that led to their first and the denied penalty could have got us back into the game earlier when we were having a good spell.

Charlton may have been the best team overall but we know that the best team doesn't always win and poor officials denied us an opportunity to sneak a point. I did leave the ground a somewhat peeved

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 26 September 2011 - 09:25 AM

[Siberian Spireite]

Dema Reborn, on 26 September 2011 - 09:49 AM, said:

I think it is time to draw a line under this because it not going to change things,but i doubt we can yet because the inevitable charge against Sheridan will follow very soon

What I can never quite grasp is, in a country where freedom of speech is supposed to be sacrosanct, how can the FA take action against people for criticising officials? I accept that red cards can be justly dished out, but how can the FA gag people and override the laws of the land?

[Siberian Spireite]

Dema Reborn, on 26 September 2011 - 10:11 AM, said:

I think Sheridan swore he admitted in his SP interview,he can dish it out i have heard it myself but it is just the frustrations coming out,but when you cannot question officials rationally on there decisions it becomes farcical,i think as soon as they brought this respect campaign in,respect went out of the window....

I don't think there was ever much Respect for officials anyway. Rugby Union is a shining example, in how officials should be respected (my point about freedom of speech was about what is said after the match).

However any ref can tolerate a player swearing directly at him is beyond me. It should be an immediate red card (though Jack may end up suspended most of the time).