[Norton Blue]

Dema Reborn, on 19 September 2011 - 09:36 AM, said:

I left a heating and plumbing company when i was 20 for more money and it wasn't to another heating company and i think i did the right thing,so it is your workers choice to do what is right for them,money will always come first before loyalty,the firm i left was a branch main one being in Leicester and they closed it down not much loyalty from them for those i left.....

Sorry Dema, you're trying to pass your own opinion as fact, and unfortunately for you it's wide of the mark. Motivations differ for individials in terms of their importance, and they change over time. No one motivator is more important than another.

[Norton Blue]

Loyalty doesn't come above money for everyone, as i said, different people have different motivations. It may do for you, but not for everyone. If your 'fact' is for everyone, which is how i read it, then it is incorrect, if just yourself then fine.

[isleaiw]

Norton Blue, on 19 September 2011 - 03:13 PM, said:

Sorry Dema, you're trying to pass your own opinion as fact, and unfortunately for you it's wide of the mark. Motivations differ for individials in terms of their importance, and they change over time. No one motivator is more important than another.

Its a while since I studied this stuff but havent Maslow's hierarchy and Herzberg's similar theory been overtaken by more up to date views on motivational theory that are less inclined to say that we all react in the same way based on some measure of where we are in life?

I'd suggest that you are motivated by what you dont have (enough of) - be it security, happiness, etc.

[Norton Blue]

isleaiw, on 19 September 2011 - 03:22 PM, said:

Its a while since I studied this stuff but havent Maslow's hierarchy and Herzberg's similar theory been overtaken by more up to date views on motivational theory that are less inclined to say that we all react in the same way based on some measure of where we are in life?

I'd suggest that you are motivated by what you dont have (enough of) - be it security, happiness, etc.

Most of the new thinking is actually rooted in Maslow, though i admit there are a number of other influences. But yes, we don't all act in the same way and we have different priorities.

[Norton Blue]

Dema Reborn, on 19 September 2011 - 09:36 AM, said:

so it is your workers choice to do what is right for them,money will always come first before loyalty

Hi dema, sorry for musunderstanding. The above passage was what promted my comment.

[isleaiw]

Norton Blue, on 19 September 2011 - 03:28 PM, said:

Most of the new thinking is actually rooted in Maslow, though i admit there are a number of other influences. But yes, we don't all act in the same way and we have different priorities.

Cheers, I thought Maslow was good as a basic aid but to be honest it was far too simplistic to be of real value I thought....Although I do quote it to my (university attending) kids when explaining that they should be worrying about food and beer and not what latest gadget they want!

Ian

[Norton Blue]

isleaiw, on 19 September 2011 - 03:39 PM, said:

Cheers, I thought Maslow was good as a basic aid but to be honest it was far too simplistic to be of real value I thought....Although I do quote it to my (university attending) kids when explaining that they should be worrying about food and beer and not what latest gadget they want!

Ian

Yeah, know what you mean, good starting point. Modern thinking has stretched and added layers on top

[Norton Blue]

Dema Reborn, on 19 September 2011 - 03:49 PM, said:

I still say money comes first and foremost in a job,i hated my job but the money was excellent and i was in my 25th year when i left prematurely and would probably still be there now if it was at all possible,i worked hard did my job,i would not say i did it out of loyalty though,i did it to put a roof over my families head and have a good style of living if you could do that on shift work......

Obviously for you it does, for all those factors you've listed, fair play to you, others try and hide the money driver. So sounds as though you've done well. You're right, When families come along priorities change, just had our first arrive and already i can see my thinking changing!

[Wooden Spoon]

isleaiw, on 19 September 2011 - 10:38 AM, said:

I have to say I admire the view that loyalty is so important. unfortunately, in my line of work, you realise that it doesnt cut both ways - if the business needs to cut costs then you are just a number! - and so I have always tried to walk a thin line between being fair to my employer and looking after my family first.

My brother did 25 years service for the same employer starting at 16, taking unpaid leave and paying his college course himself when times were hard and the employer wouldnt... They gave him a nice watch to say thanks for 25 years service - and made him redundant 3 weeks later!

Its a personal choice but i dont blame any player who goes in search of a bigger pay packet. i do have an issue with those who decry their former employer as they leave though...

Ian

thats the same anywhere.

Your loyalties should first and foremost be to your Mrs kids etc...and if improving thier lot means changing jobs then off you go.

[isleaiw]

Spinach chin, on 19 September 2011 - 04:08 PM, said:

thats the same anywhere.

Your loyalties should first and foremost be to your Mrs kids etc...and if improving thier lot means changing jobs then off you go.

My CV reads like a who's who of big employers in the region - I've got the t-shirt for that one! In hindsight I wished I hadnt chased the big bucks as you become dependent on it and when the gravy train stops / slows down (as it did in 2008) then its harder to find a similar salary!

Ian

[trickytrevsfanclub]

In a perfect world the first time a club started paying any if it's players more than a couple of grand a week the fans would have said
"whoa hold on, I like my footy but if you think I'm paying a fortune to watch this just to make him rich you can stick it" followed by mass boycotts and plummeting crowds and a rethink on sensible wages
Would never happen I know but look where we are now, £50-60 a ticket in the premier league, season tickets over a grand, no thanks. £28 to watch town at Bumhole Stain just so they can pay rapist Evans his wages, wrong so wrong.
The man in the street is getting priced out of the game and it needs to end.

[Ant84]

isleaiw, on 19 September 2011 - 04:20 PM, said:

My CV reads like a who's who of big employers in the region - I've got the t-shirt for that one! In hindsight I wished I hadnt chased the big bucks as you become dependent on it and when the gravy train stops / slows down (as it did in 2008) then its harder to find a similar salary!

Ian

Have to agree with that, the higher you climb the harder you fall for sure....

[Ant84]

trickytrevsfanclub, on 19 September 2011 - 04:29 PM, said:

In a perfect world the first time a club started paying any if it's players more than a couple of grand a week the fans would have said
"whoa hold on, I like my footy but if you think I'm paying a fortune to watch this just to make him rich you can stick it" followed by mass boycotts and plummeting crowds and a rethink on sensible wages
Would never happen I know but look where we are now, £50-60 a ticket in the premier league, season tickets over a grand, no thanks. £28 to watch town at Bumhole Stain just so they can pay rapist Evans his wages, wrong so wrong.
The man in the street is getting priced out of the game and it needs to end.

He is getting priced out but Likes of man utd have a 5 year waiting list to get a ST, not gonna end why ppl are are paying these prices...

It just makes it harder for us small clubs to survive without a decent financial backing.

[metallilad]

Spinach chin, on 19 September 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:

then it must be a very very thin book, loyalty does not pay the bills, or give people holidays - money does.

Mine does! Keep reading the other posts.

This post has been edited by metallilad: 19 September 2011 - 07:37 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 18 September 2011 - 11:12 PM, said:

I was stuck in a dead end job going stir crazy because I was going nowhere in life.
I learned a trade that I love to do, have stayed at the same company for 15 years and have no intention of leaving them.
If thats not loyalty to anybody then what is?
Davies is lucky, he's doing a job that he loves to do and was offered enough money (once again according to reports on here)to live more than comfortable on.
If he'd stayed just one more season then I wouldn't have felt agrieved but he didn't. He chased the money rather than think about his career.

if you saw the same line of work elsewhere for say an extra 33% would you take it?

[Westbars Spireite]

metallilad, on 19 September 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

Mine does! Kepp reading the other posts.

So does mine at the moment but it has been 'rewarded' the last two years with two 0.5% pay-rises and frequent cuts to my earning potential in various ways. The next thing is an end to my final salary pension scheme.

Make no bones if I could earn enough more to make it worth my while I'd be off like a shot.