[metallilad]

Sammy Spireite, on 18 September 2011 - 10:46 PM, said:

and do you think you'll still be able to do your job to the sane standard as now when you are 40? 50?? 60??

Ok, you say loyalty is everything to you, very commendable, pressumably you have worked for the same company all your life??

I sure as hell hope so because I'm already one of those numbers.

No. I haven't. I worked as a warehouse manager for 8 years before quitting and going to college to learn the trade that I'm in today.

[Sammy Spireite]

metallilad, on 18 September 2011 - 10:56 PM, said:

I sure as hell hope so because I'm already one of those numbers.

No. I haven't. I worked as a warehouse manager for 8 years before quitting and going to college to learn the trade that I'm in today.

so where was your loyalty then??

Even if you dont agree with it, can you not see the "earn as much as you can, while you can" argument as no footballer earns top money in his profession for more than maybe 5 or 6 seasons at the very most!

[metallilad]

Sammy Spireite, on 18 September 2011 - 10:59 PM, said:

so where was your loyalty then??

Even if you dont agree with it, can you not see the "earn as much as you can, while you can" argument as no footballer earns top money in his profession for more than maybe 5 or 6 seasons at the very most!

I was stuck in a dead end job going stir crazy because I was going nowhere in life.
I learned a trade that I love to do, have stayed at the same company for 15 years and have no intention of leaving them.
If thats not loyalty to anybody then what is?
Davies is lucky, he's doing a job that he loves to do and was offered enough money (once again according to reports on here)to live more than comfortable on.
If he'd stayed just one more season then I wouldn't have felt agrieved but he didn't. He chased the money rather than think about his career.

[metallilad]

Sammy Spireite, on 18 September 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:

I guess your one of the "Premiership players are disgusting for accpeting £100K a week" brigade too?

No. I don't care about what they earn in the premiership because that is the pinnacle of any footballers career.
If any of our players were attracting the attention of a premiership team then I would feel nothing but pride for them simply because its the best league in the world and nobody should be denied the chance of playing in it.

[SpireiteFitzy]

metallilad, on 18 September 2011 - 10:04 PM, said:

Maybe he's here till then and big chief money grabber will come back from Barnsley for the rest of the season.

What on earth is your problem with Davies? Let's look at it straight shall we. Davies comes to Chesterfield and is given a one year contract, in that one year he performs excellently and fires 25 goals on our way to promotion. Having loyally served out the contract he was given, he then gets an offer from a club 2 divisions higher offering him the chance to further his career and earn more money which he accepts. He hasnt bailed in the middle of a contract, he hasnt shown any disrespect to the club, and he gave it his all while he was here. Please tell me where this turns him into a bad guy.

If your gonna compare this to a 9-5 worker this is how it would be, he's earnt a promotion for hard work which results in career advancement and more money. And in a career which doesnt last anywhere near as long as a regular worker, the opportunity is just what a player looks for.

There, that's your childish comment blown away with sensible reasoning.

[RichThomps1]

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If he does carry on like he has and reaches 12+ goals by December, someone could pick him up for a month (December)(not us cos he will have reached his 3 month limit) and he could well start a bidding war and go for £500k!

I think we need to enjoy him while he's here, and see what happens come December/January!
[/quote]

Simon he can't be signed in December, the loan window shuts in middle of November.

[Norton Blue]

All this argument over what motivates players and people. Thing is we're all different, and we're all motivated by different things as we go through life. It all depends on what you're doing and where you are in life. I'm quite involved in motivation and work with organisations to map out individuals' motivations in the workplace. If anyone is interested, try looking into maslow's hierarchy of needs, or message me and I'll happily walk you through the process.

[sophocles]

SpireiteFitzy, on 19 September 2011 - 03:18 AM, said:

What on earth is your problem with Davies? Let's look at it straight shall we. Davies comes to Chesterfield and is given a one year contract, in that one year he performs excellently and fires 25 goals on our way to promotion. Having loyally served out the contract he was given, he then gets an offer from a club 2 divisions higher offering him the chance to further his career and earn more money which he accepts. He hasnt bailed in the middle of a contract, he hasnt shown any disrespect to the club, and he gave it his all while he was here. Please tell me where this turns him into a bad guy.

If your gonna compare this to a 9-5 worker this is how it would be, he's earnt a promotion for hard work which results in career advancement and more money. And in a career which doesnt last anywhere near as long as a regular worker, the opportunity is just what a player looks for.

There, that's your childish comment blown away with sensible reasoning.

Completely agree. Craig did a brilliant job for us, and honoured the contract we gave him. I wish him all the best in his career, and remain grateful for his time here, as, I suspect, do most CFC fans.

[dim view]

Sammy Spireite, on 18 September 2011 - 06:57 PM, said:

Swindon, if they do decide to cash in on him come January, will be in no rush to open up negotiation with anyone.

I think we need to enjoy him while he's here, and see what happens come December/January!

Their Chairman has been landed right in it here.

What comes to pass I think will depend on whether Swindon can dismiss him for gross misconduct - and they will be taking legal advice about that as we speak.
If they can, they are off the hook and they've just lost a signing on fee and a couple of months wages - and Clarke's agent will start making the calls again.

If they can't, they've got to budget to pay him until the end of his contract and his agent will demand a large severance payment if they want to change the arrangement. So then the Chairman is torn between paying up to support DiCanio or prevaricating, which might unsettle Di Canio.

A cheeky bid now which might finance the severance and prevent all the fighting might just work. The bid, of course, would have to be worded to allow for a permanent deal at the earliest opportunity. It's a very interesting situation.

[Beelzebub]

dim view, on 19 September 2011 - 09:46 AM, said:

Their Chairman has been landed right in it here.

What comes to pass I think will depend on whether Swindon can dismiss him for gross misconduct - and they will be taking legal advice about that as we speak.
If they can, they are off the hook and they've just lost a signing on fee and a couple of months wages - and Clarke's agent will start making the calls again.

If they can't, they've got to budget to pay him until the end of his contract and his agent will demand a large severance payment if they want to change the arrangement. So then the Chairman is torn between paying up to support DiCanio or prevaricating, which might unsettle Di Canio.

A cheeky bid now which might finance the severance and prevent all the fighting might just work. The bid, of course, would have to be worded to allow for a permanent deal at the earliest opportunity. It's a very interesting situation.

interesting situation if they do sack him as the loan period would then be automatically terminated. A player can only be loaned if he is under contract. As the transfer window is shut, he would then, in theory be unable to sign for any club until January, as despite being unemployed he was registered with Swindon when the window closed. Cue lawyers, as it would be a clear restraint of trade if the rules prevented him plying his trade. The new Bosman to end the transfer windows farce?

[Wooden Spoon]

metallilad, on 18 September 2011 - 10:29 PM, said:

I'm a manager at a heating company and I've had countless conversations with people about "being offered better money to work somewhere else". It doesn't wash with me.
In my book loyalty is everything.

then it must be a very very thin book, loyalty does not pay the bills, or give people holidays - money does.

[Elmer Fudd's Thick Lip]

Sammy Spireite, on 18 September 2011 - 10:55 PM, said:

so, let me get this right:

Firstly, you raise the issue of your turning down a £15k pay rise offer to work elsewhere

Then, you say comparing footballers to "normal" worker is silly

Then, when challenged about the above, you attempt to justify bringing your own situation in to it?!!

I'm scrathcing my head here!


and rightly so

I guess your one of the "Premiership players are disgusting for accpeting £100K a week" brigade too?

Can of worms opened there SS. I myself wouldn't call it disgusting, but do you really believe any footballer is deserving of that amount of money, when there are people fighting for our great Country, others who work damn hard for 60 hours a week who get peanuts in comparison?

[isleaiw]

Spinach chin, on 19 September 2011 - 10:21 AM, said:

then it must be a very very thin book, loyalty does not pay the bills, or give people holidays - money does.

I have to say I admire the view that loyalty is so important. unfortunately, in my line of work, you realise that it doesnt cut both ways - if the business needs to cut costs then you are just a number! - and so I have always tried to walk a thin line between being fair to my employer and looking after my family first.

My brother did 25 years service for the same employer starting at 16, taking unpaid leave and paying his college course himself when times were hard and the employer wouldnt... They gave him a nice watch to say thanks for 25 years service - and made him redundant 3 weeks later!

Its a personal choice but i dont blame any player who goes in search of a bigger pay packet. i do have an issue with those who decry their former employer as they leave though...

Ian

[firedodger]

Personally speaking, I have worked for the same employer for 26 years I have worked hard shown potential and got to a reasonable level of pay, but if our south yorks/Notts counterparts offered me an extra £2000/month you wouldn't see me for dust!
Loyalty in employment is very much a one way street, if an employer wants to get rid of someone for whatever reason it will happen, loyalty won't even be a consideration

[Sammy Spireite]

Dave Wallers, on 19 September 2011 - 10:36 AM, said:

Can of worms opened there SS. I myself wouldn't call it disgusting, but do you really believe any footballer is deserving of that amount of money, when there are people fighting for our great Country, others who work damn hard for 60 hours a week who get peanuts in comparison?

I'm a little aprehensive to respond to your comments as don't want to offend anyone serving in our armed forces, however, what I will say is that they know the risks and rewards before they sign up.

I don't begrudge any player (not even Eto'o on £500k a week or whatever he is earning) earning any amount of money, if the clubs are prepared to offer it to them, of course they are going to accept it, anyone would.

[Elmer Fudd's Thick Lip]

Sammy Spireite, on 19 September 2011 - 11:21 AM, said:

I'm a little aprehensive to respond to your comments as don't want to offend anyone serving in our armed forces, however, what I will say is that they know the risks and rewards before they sign up.

I don't begrudge any player (not even Eto'o on £500k a week or whatever he is earning) earning any amount of money, if the clubs are prepared to offer it to them, of course they are going to accept it, anyone would.

No, I agree with you mate. I don't begrudge them either. I just think that proportionally when compared to other trades, then they earn a hell of a lot of money. That said though, if I were in a footballers shoes, I'm sure money would be the major factor. While I would love to be loyal, you do what is right for you and your family.

[Elmer Fudd's Thick Lip]

Dema Reborn, on 19 September 2011 - 11:24 AM, said:

You are just a number wherever you work,but when i had to finish they were great with me,got me finished on ill health and even back paid my pension from when i had to finish and that was nearly 3 years,so got a good lump sum out of them,i had worked there nearly 25 years and got my service award too......

It's rather sad though, that in this day and age, that sort of gratitude is a rare commodity in the workplace. You were very fortunate to have such good employers. It's a shame more don't follow suit.