[DIFH]

We seem to be pinning a lot of faith on the arrival of Donaldson and to be honest there don't seem much else available.

We may end up in the loan market for the likes of AJOSE or even SOMMER, for sure we'll have competition for signatures.

Time for Keith to help out by giving Fergie a ring.

http://www.thisisscu...tail/story.html

[SatNav21]

how about both please

[Crooked_Spireite]

Thought he was going to Donny with Bennett?

[The Peoples Champion]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on 22 June 2011 - 08:47 AM, said:

We seem to be pinning a lot of faith on the arrival of Donaldson and to be honest there don't seem much else available.

We may end up in the loan market for the likes of AJOSE or even SOMMER, for sure we'll have competition for signatures.

Time for Keith to help out by giving Fergie a ring.

http://www.thisisscu...tail/story.html

Dave

I am not one to start rumours on here, but I was speaking to my Dad last night who has been told that Donaldson although wanting to play higher than League Two has had a change of heart and has been turned by the pound signs at Crawley.

Not 100% Dave but my Dad is hardly a gossip and would not be surprised in the least if this turned out to be true.

[Misnomer]

The Peoples Champion, on 22 June 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Dave

I am not one to start rumours on here, but I was speaking to my Dad last night who has been told that Donaldson although wanting to play higher than League Two has had a change of heart and has been turned by the pound signs at Crawley.

Not 100% Dave but my Dad is hardly a gossip and would not be surprised in the least if this turned out to be true.

I just do not understand the mentality of footballers, yes they have short carreers blah blah, but surely the platform of League 1 football and bigger crowds, testing yourself against better opposition is far better than playing in front of miniscule crowds in the basement???????

And on the subject of 'short careers' they get to do something we all would love to do and get paid VERY well for it, even in the basement division. So what if their career ends early, they just need to get a grip and do what the rest of us have to do, retrain and get a different job. It's like we give them this excuse on a plate....and a means to justify greed and a lack of loyalty.

[Hong Kong Spireite]

mincemeat, on 22 June 2011 - 09:54 AM, said:

I just do not understand the mentality of footballers, yes they have short carreers blah blah, but surely the platform of League 1 football and bigger crowds, testing yourself against better opposition is far better than playing in front of miniscule crowds in the basement???????

And on the subject of 'short careers' they get to do something we all would love to do and get paid VERY well for it, even in the basement division. So what if their career ends early, they just need to get a grip and do what the rest of us have to do, retrain and get a different job. It's like we give them this excuse on a plate....and a means to justify greed and a lack of loyalty.

Sorry but the vast majority of players do not get paid very well in the lower divisions. While the average Joe would consider something like £800 a week or so a very good wage, it's not when you will only earn this for a short period of time and rhen have no real skill to earn more after your career is over.

[bluesocks]

well if that turns out to be true, then he would be best off going to crawley. i think it was oldhams manager that said if the players ultimate motive is money then they arent for him. and that should go for us too as surely, we only want players who are going to be proud to wear the blue shirt and be part of mr sheridans vision

[Misnomer]

Hong Kong Spireite, on 22 June 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

Sorry but the vast majority of players do not get paid very well in the lower divisions. While the average Joe would consider something like £800 a week or so a very good wage, it's not when you will only earn this for a short period of time and rhen have no real skill to earn more after your career is over.

Sorry, mate, but for keeping fit, kicking a ball around and is most cases plenty of adulation from your fans, i think £800.00 per week (which is really at the bottom end) is plenty! You need to tell that to people who earn minimum wage, working a 40 hour week, pal!

That equates to circa £3200.00 per month..........oh, my, how hard done by they must be feeling; you need to get in the real world, pal!

This post has been edited by mincemeat: 22 June 2011 - 10:05 AM

[DIFH]

The Peoples Champion, on 22 June 2011 - 09:27 AM, said:

Dave

I am not one to start rumours on here, but I was speaking to my Dad last night who has been told that Donaldson although wanting to play higher than League Two has had a change of heart and has been turned by the pound signs at Crawley.

Not 100% Dave but my Dad is hardly a gossip and would not be surprised in the least if this turned out to be true.

They are in for everyone - last weeks Crewe story -

http://www.thisissta...tail/story.html

[Misnomer]

Hong Kong Spireite, on 22 June 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

Sorry but the vast majority of players do not get paid very well in the lower divisions. While the average Joe would consider something like £800 a week or so a very good wage, it's not when you will only earn this for a short period of time and rhen have no real skill to earn more after your career is over.

Then, my friend, i have an idea for them, what about instead of playing golf or p11ssin about on twitter, they go and learn something else in their spare time...do you see what i'm talking about here, your reply is exactly what perpetuates this justification...have a good think about what you are saying.

[toddhopper]

Hong Kong Spireite, on 22 June 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

Sorry but the vast majority of players do not get paid very well in the lower divisions. While the average Joe would consider something like £800 a week or so a very good wage, it's not when you will only earn this for a short period of time and rhen have no real skill to earn more after your career is over.

I don't really buy this short career theory. From day one they are in training for a job that can last a lifetime, ie football coaching. I realise they will need some further qualifications nowadays, but how many people does that apply to. Its also worth pointing out that they are paid very good money for what amounts to a part time job, that leaves plenty of time for gaining qualifications. How many footballers do you hear say they've got their coaching badges BEFORE the end of their playing days?
When I hear the 'its a short career' excuse trotted out to justify ridiculous wages I struggle to avoid throwing up.

[BigBlue]

JWell said Mincemeat, let them try living on a quarter of those wages a week and see how they get on, they get paid stupid amounts of money for doing something enjoyable! I and many folks work 10 times as hard and 10 times a day longer than them , for alot less! Managers that are not held to ransom by greedy players and there agents are spot on.

mincemeat, on 22 June 2011 - 10:05 AM, said:

Sorry, mate, but for keeping fit, kicking a ball around and is most cases plenty of adulation from your fans, i think £800.00 per week (which is really at the bottom end) is plenty! You need to tell that to people who earn minimum wage, working a 40 hour week, pal!

That equates to circa £3200.00 per month..........oh, my, how hard done by they must be feeling; you need to get in the real world, pal!

This post has been edited by philspire: 22 June 2011 - 10:20 AM

[rs1978]

There are any number of arguments that you can trot out concerning wages, short career, easy job etc etc, depending on what your agenda is. Equally, this makes it very easy to play devils advocate.

For example, if you argue that footballers should be training to change careers when they finish playing (i.e. to maintain a good level of income, making them less 'greedy' in their football career), surely you can argue that the people who work longer hours in less glamorous jobs for less money should themselves train and educate themselves so they can earn more money themselves? Therefore, they would have less of a problem with what other people earn. The opportunities are out there for the gifted and motivated, are they not?

Ultimately, the player has financial obligations - mortgage, family - the same as everyone else. If they have an opportunity to satisfy these obligations more comfortably why wouldn't they?

It's disappointing when money appears to be the sole motivating factor, but put yourself in their position and ask if you would act without considering the lucre.

[s42blue]

rs1978, on 22 June 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

There are any number of arguments that you can trot out concerning wages, short career, easy job etc etc, depending on what your agenda is. Equally, this makes it very easy to play devils advocate.

For example, if you argue that footballers should be training to change careers when they finish playing (i.e. to maintain a good level of income, making them less 'greedy' in their football career), surely you can argue that the people who work longer hours in less glamorous jobs for less money should themselves train and educate themselves so they can earn more money themselves? Therefore, they would have less of a problem with what other people earn. The opportunities are out there for the gifted and motivated, are they not?

Ultimately, the player has financial obligations - mortgage, family - the same as everyone else. If they have an opportunity to satisfy these obligations more comfortably why wouldn't they?

It's disappointing when money appears to be the sole motivating factor, but put yourself in their position and ask if you would act without considering the lucre.

Well said. We exist in a society full of people with chips on their shoulder. People have the same opportunity to progress as each other (with a few exceptions of family money and old boys network) and there are many many examples of people starting with nothing and making something. What the successful people have is drive and determination and an idea...all siupplied by themselves.

So for the argument about working harder and for less money do something about it...it's only ever in your hands. Sadly most people moan about it not being fair etc...blah blah blee din heart rubbish.

Academically I didnt do the best but Im happy, comfortable and a Spireite.

The question of whether pursuit of money leading to happiness however is a whole different topic.

[Crooked_Spireite]

rs1978, on 22 June 2011 - 10:50 AM, said:

There are any number of arguments that you can trot out concerning wages, short career, easy job etc etc, depending on what your agenda is. Equally, this makes it very easy to play devils advocate.

For example, if you argue that footballers should be training to change careers when they finish playing (i.e. to maintain a good level of income, making them less 'greedy' in their football career), surely you can argue that the people who work longer hours in less glamorous jobs for less money should themselves train and educate themselves so they can earn more money themselves? Therefore, they would have less of a problem with what other people earn. The opportunities are out there for the gifted and motivated, are they not?

Ultimately, the player has financial obligations - mortgage, family - the same as everyone else. If they have an opportunity to satisfy these obligations more comfortably why wouldn't they?

It's disappointing when money appears to be the sole motivating factor, but put yourself in their position and ask if you would act without considering the lucre.

Completely agree.

Money talks, as in all careers salary is ultimately one of the top few motivators in selection of job.

I'm sure there are certain thresholds. For instance:

If Donaldson is offered £2k a week here (completely random figure) = salary of £104,000

If he is offered £2,100 at Crawley = 109,200 salary. In terms of take home this is not a vast amount of extra money after tax etc so is probably offset by playing in a higher league, in a nice stadium, in front of big crowds etc etc.

However, there will reach a point where the 'value' placed on playing for us vs. Crawley becomes offset by £££.

If Crawley offer £2,500 a week then its is a complety different kettle of fish.

Obviously there is the factor of how playing for Crawley as opposed to us may impact future earnings, however if he is offered a 3 year deal then that covers pretty much half of his remaining playing career.....

There are the same opportunities for Donaldson to do his coaching badges and develop his future career at Crawley as there would be at CFC (ish). So unless he wants to learn from JS (or Norm or Jack etc) and places a value on this then why would he not go to Crawley for extra money?

If I were choosing between 2 clubs which I had no affiliation or fondness for then salary would be a massive decision point.

[Crooked_Spireite]

s42blue, on 22 June 2011 - 11:12 AM, said:

Well said. We exist in a society full of people with chips on their shoulder. People have the same opportunity to progress as each other (with a few exceptions of family money and old boys network) and there are many many examples of people starting with nothing and making something. What the successful people have is drive and determination and an idea...all siupplied by themselves.

So for the argument about working harder and for less money do something about it...it's only ever in your hands. Sadly most people moan about it not being fair etc...blah blah blee din heart rubbish.

Academically I didnt do the best but Im happy, comfortable and a Spireite.

The question of whether pursuit of money leading to happiness however is a whole different topic.

Spot on.

[s42blue]

Crooked_Spireite, on 22 June 2011 - 11:12 AM, said:

Completely agree.

Money talks, as in all careers salary is ultimately one of the top few motivators in selection of job.

I'm sure there are certain thresholds. For instance:

If Donaldson is offered £2k a week here (completely random figure) = salary of £104,000

If he is offered £2,100 at Crawley = 109,200 salary. In terms of take home this is not a vast amount of extra money after tax etc so is probably offset by playing in a higher league, in a nice stadium, in front of big crowds etc etc.

However, there will reach a point where the 'value' placed on playing for us vs. Crawley becomes offset by £££.

If Crawley offer £2,500 a week then its is a complety different kettle of fish.

Obviously there is the factor of how playing for Crawley as opposed to us may impact future earnings, however if he is offered a 3 year deal then that covers pretty much half of his remaining playing career.....

There are the same opportunities for Donaldson to do his coaching badges and develop his future career at Crawley as there would be at CFC (ish). So unless he wants to learn from JS (or Norm or Jack etc) and places a value on this then why would he not go to Crawley for extra money?

If I were choosing between 2 clubs which I had no affiliation or fondness for then salary would be a massive decision point.

Agree too...there is a tipping point for me, for footballers, everyone. Is x worth extra inconvenience etc etc...if no then take less, if yes put up with it.

All the people complaining about wages....if you were a footballer on £100.000 a week or £10,000 would you say "no thanks that's too much for me" ? Very doubtful. But they don't and won't because if you were any good you'd be playing now. So go find something you ARE good at and use that negativity for good.

[KevoBMMD]

Hong Kong Spireite, on 22 June 2011 - 10:00 AM, said:

Sorry but the vast majority of players do not get paid very well in the lower divisions. While the average Joe would consider something like £800 a week or so a very good wage, it's not when you will only earn this for a short period of time and rhen have no real skill to earn more after your career is over.

One of the benefits attached to the playing carear is the Pension and insurances.

I know one player that always had a large amount included in his contracts towards his pension, that included with an insurance claim when he could not continue playing through a footballing injury easily covered a comfortable retirement at just 32.

And in the late 80's he was one of the highest earners at Saltergate on a massive £350 per week plus bonuses

This post has been edited by KevoBMMD: 22 June 2011 - 12:18 PM