[Goku]

I don't have their email adresses

[fishini]

Haslandboi, on Jan 29 2010, 05:06 PM, said:

I don't have their email adresses

Damn you would have been able to ask them why they sacked thier manager when he is so good according to some

[Blueprint]

fishini, on Jan 29 2010, 05:01 PM, said:

Has anyone ever thought that JS's reputation may be the reason that any half decent player may opt for anyone rather than come to us?

fishini, on Jan 29 2010, 05:05 PM, said:

Ask those in power at Oldham

Just remind me where oldham are in the league this season, and where they were under Sheridan ?

[Rodney's Moustache]

h again, on Jan 29 2010, 02:50 PM, said:

That's two passes in the four minutes we saw on the recorded highlights - and a fairly accurate reflection on Niven's game generally. Like the man said - some people only see what they want to see.
If you keep replying to your own posts your mummy might send you to bed without your warm milk.

The only two passes that reached a team mate all night...some folk only see what they want to see

[fishini]

rodney's moustach, on Jan 29 2010, 07:56 PM, said:

The only two passes that reached a team mate all night...some folk only see what they want to see

Thats wrong I can only see dire football, the team falling down the league and JS failing in his job, but I don't want to

[sophocles]

lindave, on Jan 28 2010, 08:50 PM, said:

Soph;

i'm an Allot fan but if he doen't perm well in midfield the team don't perform as well. He was utter garbage against Northampton and it was only Niven gave us any bite in midfield. By his standards I thought Mark wasn't great against the Millers and our passing game has gone to the dogs.

I was at Northampton and all I can say about that is that I thought everybody except Lee, Page and Downes were garbage there; we never looked remotely like scoring except for one single header from Conlon. Can't agree about Allott v Millers - I thought he stood out a mile by holding the ball and using it sensibly. OK he couldn't really get anything positive going, but it didn't help that we had no wide men who could provide an outlet to get at the flanks of the Millers defence; Allott needs a winger with pace so that he can play passes wide. On Saturday I saw him look up no end of times, fail to see anyone moving into space, and have to turn back and play a simpler ball; it's not in his nature to just hoof it and give it to the opposition, as he always tries to find a pass for a team - mate.

[fishini]

sophocles, on Jan 29 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

I was at Northampton and all I can say about that is that I thought everybody except Lee, Page and Downes were garbage there; we never looked remotely like scoring except for one single header from Conlon. Can't agree about Allott v Millers - I thought he stood out a mile by holding the ball and using it sensibly. OK he couldn't really get anything positive going, but it didn't help that we had no wide men who could provide an outlet to get at the flanks of the Millers defence; Allott needs a winger with pace so that he can play passes wide. On Saturday I saw him look up no end of times, fail to see anyone moving into space, and have to turn back and play a simpler ball; it's not in his nature to just hoof it and give it to the opposition, as he always tries to find a pass for a team - mate.

and on occasions he actually passes forwards so rumour has it

[sophocles]

h again, on Jan 28 2010, 08:54 PM, said:

If you care to look on the highlights you'll see a couple of superb Niven passes in just the three or four minutes recorded. One is an excellent first-time lay-off, though you might call it lacking in composure, and the other is a magnificent thirty-yarder forward to pick out Jack Lester and lead to an attempt on goal.
It really astonishes me that nobody ever sees these sort of passes when Niven plays them - and the Rotherham game was nothing unusual as far as Niv's passing goes.

It's because some people have closed minds - they simply repeat what they hear others say, i.e. Nivo can't pass, and ignore the actual evidence. I personally don't think his passing is any worse than most of our players, and he can come up with really good passes. One reason I think he gets singled out is that he doesn't hide, and always wants to get on the ball, so he tends to attempt more passes than most, and he's bound to get a proportion wrong. For me, the worst offenders in the Rotherham game were Gray, whose distribution was abysmal, and Green, who hardly tried anything all game, and hid out of the way most of the time. Leave Nivo alone - he's a good player at this level, and a bit higher up too.

[Blueprint]

fishini, on Jan 29 2010, 10:01 PM, said:

Thats wrong I can only see dire football, the team falling down the league and JS failing in his job, but I don't want to

Perhaps you could start supporting QPR, if their manager loses a couple of games on the trot they get rid of him, it doesn't secure them promotion at any point, and it barely improves them at all but at least they don't put up with failing managers. Eventually maybe, they'll find the right man to guide them forwards, or maybe not.

[fishini]

sophocles, on Jan 29 2010, 10:18 PM, said:

It's because some people have closed minds - they simply repeat what they hear others say, i.e. Nivo can't pass, and ignore the actual evidence. I personally don't think his passing is any worse than most of our players, and he can come up with really good passes. One reason I think he gets singled out is that he doesn't hide, and always wants to get on the ball, so he tends to attempt more passes than most, and he's bound to get a proportion wrong. For me, the worst offenders in the Rotherham game were Gray, whose distribution was abysmal, and Green, who hardly tried anything all game, and hid out of the way most of the time. Leave Nivo alone - he's a good player at this level, and a bit higher up too.

Nivo is a better player than people think he is the only player to give our MF any bite the rest are far too weak. Green was allowed 90 mins when everyone could see he was well out of his depth. So why couldnt JS see that?

[sophocles]

fishini, on Jan 29 2010, 10:23 PM, said:

Nivo is a better player than people think he is the only player to give our MF any bite the rest are far too weak. Green was allowed 90 mins when everyone could see he was well out of his depth. So why couldnt JS see that?

Agree with your statements about Nivo and Green. Haven't got a clue about JS re Green; I can only think he's been given some dodgy advice and wanted to give the lad a chance to prove we're all wrong, but sadly it didn't happen and I think JS will just have to face facts now and admit Green is way off the required standard.

[fishini]

Blueprint, on Jan 29 2010, 10:21 PM, said:

Perhaps you could start supporting QPR, if their manager loses a couple of games on the trot they get rid of him, it doesn't secure them promotion at any point, and it barely improves them at all but at least they don't put up with failing managers. Eventually maybe, they'll find the right man to guide them forwards, or maybe not.

Well they can't do any worse than our feeble attempts to get a half decent manager, can they. So do we leave it 2 years again like last time or even longer maybe. You may like it in this crap league and maybe Hubbard and his cronies do but I assure you some fans want to actually get out of this league. I suppose that surprises excuse makers like yourself

[JT_Spire]

I havent posted too often on here for how long i have been registered, but this thread caught my eye a little.

I must say that i don't believe sacking JS at this point in the season would be in any way a positive step, but with recent home performances taken into consideration, i am becoming increasingly angry.
As soon as the phrase 'fortress saltergate' rears its head, our home form takes a distinct turn for the worse, and the Shrewsbury and Rotherham games were bitterly disappointing, (Torquay only marginally better due to the fact that we got the points). My opinion is that the tactics are all wrong. As earlier mentioned in this thread far too many times have we seen Page and Gray knocking long balls out to A.Winger, which hasnt worked since Lowry got injured.
In some respects i fely for Green against Rotherham because of these kinds of balls to him. An experienced player such as Page should be expected to notice that this is not working, and adapt his game accordingly.
Having said that, Page and Downes in a defensive way have looked more comfortable, and the rest of Green's game at present would not look out of place in the Sunday league i play in.
Other tactical issues include these horrid short corners that dont make the box, made worse by the fact that we now have a so called target man in Conlon, and particularly against Rotherham the use of substitutions. Introducing Boden to me was a mistake, and i fear for us on saturday if he has to start with Conlon as they play way to far apart for a front 2. But for me the fact that no sub was used in the last 20 minutes by JS to try and change the course of the game in our favour was worse than this, in my eyes showing no intent for anything other than a point. Pre game given Rotherham's position i'd have taken that, but seeing that they were ultimately no better, with their fans, at times, seeming equally frustrated suggests we should have been pushing forward.

As for Niven and Allott, well Niven's work rate is and always be 100%, yet he has never been a winger and for me his allround midfield ability just isn't their. Allott for me is very indifferent, you know what you are going to get with his style, the crab like passing and the turn that he makes 500 times a season. Against Rotherham faded in and out in a game where both midfields created very little.


The team has a lack of direction, and without relying too heavily on an inconsistent Jack this season, i cant see where the next goal is coming from, and as well as some of defense have been playing (Goodall's inclusion has improved things), we are always likely to concede, particularly away.
The Morecambe game IS a must win game, and despite having little confidence in us getting results, i have a strange feeling we will win (thats what we do best at this club isnt it...?). If we don't though, and this poor football comtinues for much longer, the season will without doubt be over all too early...

Over and Out
JT

[frearsghost]

sophocles, on Jan 29 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

I was at Northampton and all I can say about that is that I thought everybody except Lee, Page and Downes were garbage there; we never looked remotely like scoring except for one single header from Conlon. Can't agree about Allott v Millers - I thought he stood out a mile by holding the ball and using it sensibly. OK he couldn't really get anything positive going, but it didn't help that we had no wide men who could provide an outlet to get at the flanks of the Millers defence; Allott needs a winger with pace so that he can play passes wide. On Saturday I saw him look up no end of times, fail to see anyone moving into space, and have to turn back and play a simpler ball; it's not in his nature to just hoof it and give it to the opposition, as he always tries to find a pass for a team - mate.

Here we go again!

It's everybody elses fault expect Allotts. If only other players would do their jobs properly; be in the right position, do all the running and even play it on the floor and Mr Sheridan would play the right kind of player alongside him and, even better, if we where in a division higher, then Mark Allot would be really good. Sorry don't buy it.

No offence Soph it's not you I'm having a go at just the same tired, dreary excuse and apology for a player who is well past his sell by date and has no place in a promotion chasing side because, frankly, he hasn't got what it takes as a creative midfielder in a promotion side that would, by definition, create scores of goal scoring opportunities throughout the season.

I'm beginning to question the sense of paying good money to continue to watch a midfield pairing of Allott and Niven who have been at the club far too long and whom offer no hope whatsoever of getting us out of the division. The club is crying out for fresh talent in the middle of the park. Bring on Doherty and Kavanagh. Now that would get the town buzzing.

This post has been edited by frearsghost: 29 January 2010 - 11:27 PM

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fishini, on Jan 30 2010, 01:27 AM, said:

Well they can't do any worse than our feeble attempts to get a half decent manager, can they. So do we leave it 2 years again like last time or even longer maybe. You may like it in this crap league and maybe Hubbard and his cronies do but I assure you some fans want to actually get out of this league. I suppose that surprises excuse makers like yourself

Olympiakos are currently on their 4th manager in 12 months including the ridiculous sacking of Temuri Ketsbaia who was the new boss appointed during the summer and had 4 games in charge - 3 wins and a draw before being given the elbow due to poor performances! Hopefully Town will have the sense not to be so rash with Sheridan, constant changing of managers doesn't have a great track record anywhere.

[Blueprint]

I guess it's Sheridan in this week?

[sophocles]

frearsghost, on Jan 29 2010, 11:26 PM, said:

Here we go again!

It's everybody elses fault expect Allotts. If only other players would do their jobs properly; be in the right position, do all the running and even play it on the floor and Mr Sheridan would play the right kind of player alongside him and, even better, if we where in a division higher, then Mark Allot would be really good. Sorry don't buy it.

No offence Soph it's not you I'm having a go at just the same tired, dreary excuse and apology for a player who is well past his sell by date and has no place in a promotion chasing side because, frankly, he hasn't got what it takes as a creative midfielder in a promotion side that would, by definition, create scores of goal scoring opportunities throughout the season.

I'm beginning to question the sense of paying good money to continue to watch a midfield pairing of Allott and Niven who have been at the club far too long and whom offer no hope whatsoever of getting us out of the division. The club is crying out for fresh talent in the middle of the park. Bring on Doherty and Kavanagh. Now that would get the town buzzing.

I completely agree we desperately need a creative midfielder with some strength AND pace, but I think it's wrong to keep criticising Allott, because he isn't being asked to fill that role - he's being asked to be available to relieve presure on team - mates, and to retain possession, and he usually does his job really well. All we are missing just now is -

1. a fully fit Jack Lester

2. a pacey player like McDermott

Getting Talbot back would help, and I think we still have a chance of the play - offs or even sneaking into third place IF we're very lucky with injuries, suspensions, reffing decisions etc.

[BlueRover52]

sophocles, on Jan 31 2010, 12:41 PM, said:

I completely agree we desperately need a creative midfielder with some strength AND pace, but I think it's wrong to keep criticising Allott, because he isn't being asked to fill that role - he's being asked to be available to relieve presure on team - mates, and to retain possession, and he usually does his job really well. All we are missing just now is -

1. a fully fit Jack Lester

2. a pacey player like McDermott

Getting Talbot back would help, and I think we still have a chance of the play - offs or even sneaking into third place IF we're very lucky with injuries, suspensions, reffing decisions etc.

Agree.Allott is doing everthing the manager asks of him.We need pace on the flanks and a new face and getting Drew back would fit the bill.Gritts doing well in Lesters absence has been a bonus.But Jack back to full fitness and knocking 20 in for the season will be the key to promotion.

[h again]

sophocles, on Jan 29 2010, 10:13 PM, said:

I was at Northampton and all I can say about that is that I thought everybody except Lee, Page and Downes were garbage there; we never looked remotely like scoring except for one single header from Conlon. Can't agree about Allott v Millers - I thought he stood out a mile by holding the ball and using it sensibly. OK he couldn't really get anything positive going, but it didn't help that we had no wide men who could provide an outlet to get at the flanks of the Millers defence; Allott needs a winger with pace so that he can play passes wide. On Saturday I saw him look up no end of times, fail to see anyone moving into space, and have to turn back and play a simpler ball; it's not in his nature to just hoof it and give it to the opposition, as he always tries to find a pass for a team - mate.

Correct, as ever. It can't be said too often that one man can't make a creative pass, or any other kind for that matter. Somebody has to be running into position to take the pass, and losing his marker on the way. In Allott's case he looks round for all the options - you can watch him do it - and if a realistic forward pass isn't on he'll play it sideways, retain possession and start again. If the attacking pass is on you can rely on him to spot it, but far too often at the moment we're lacking decent width and the middle is closed down - so it's back to squre one and a patient build-up.
Not what the fans want to see, though it's the way football is played at a much higher level then ours.

[Goku]

h again, on Jan 31 2010, 09:13 PM, said:

Correct, as ever. It can't be said too often that one man can't make a creative pass, or any other kind for that matter. Somebody has to be running into position to take the pass, and losing his marker on the way. In Allott's case he looks round for all the options - you can watch him do it - and if a realistic forward pass isn't on he'll play it sideways, retain possession and start again. If the attacking pass is on you can rely on him to spot it, but far too often at the moment we're lacking decent width and the middle is closed down - so it's back to squre one and a patient build-up.
Not what the fans want to see, though it's the way football is played at a much higher level then ours.

Good to see that I'm not on my todd with regards to Allot.