[warfey is a spireite]

pac17, on Jan 26 2010, 10:18 PM, said:

what's changed? he was the best thing since sliced bread at one time...

i think he's doing a great job...

get back to ure council house and get back to eating rats

[Blueprint]

And to think Rico got slated for signing Michael Barnes!

[Goku]

Sabreman, on Jan 26 2010, 11:40 PM, said:

I agree with all of that besides your bombshell of stating Niven played well, he was woeful he simply cannot pass a ball irrespective of position he plays, he is clueless and imo simply a liability we played with nine men tonight both wingers were woeful

Niven is really starting to frustrate me. His passing is diabolical, headless chickens who can't pass 10 yards have no use in modern day football IMO

[Sabreman]

Haslandboi, on Jan 27 2010, 10:34 AM, said:

Niven is really starting to frustrate me. His passing is diabolical, headless chickens who can't pass 10 yards have no use in modern day football IMO

I share your view as do the majority of Spireites i know, if Nivo's contract is up at season end i am almost sure he will be released irrespective of how much we all love the bloke.

[h again]

djs, on Jan 26 2010, 11:37 PM, said:

Allott was everywhere tonight without any help what so ever! On his own in midfield 90% of the time! He was the one piece of straw trying to plug the large hole in the bucket.

Correct, as usual. But common sense goes out of the window when we lose one.

[h again]

lindave, on Jan 26 2010, 11:52 PM, said:

Allot was poor again,I agree Niven's passing was as equally poor we were counting all the misplaced passing. However,if Green had got through half as much work we may have produced a chance or two.UTTER GARBAGE.

I know we can all have different opinions, but how do we see diferent games? Niven delivered two or three of the best passes of the night, and in general had a good game and found his targets. Like all players at this level he gave one or two to the opposition, but other CFC players were far worse, including the normally reliable Gray.
I can only assume you make a point of counting the misplaced ones and carefully ignore the rest.

[warfey is a spireite]

h again, on Jan 27 2010, 10:58 AM, said:

Correct, as usual. But common sense goes out of the window when we lose one.

one win in 8 try that

[matt060282]

Sabreman, on Jan 27 2010, 10:37 AM, said:

I share your view as do the majority of Spireites i know, if Nivo's contract is up at season end i am almost sure he will be released irrespective of how much we all love the bloke.

I really feel for Niven as he seems like a genuine guy and certainly tries as hard as anyone I have ever seen play professional football. He has a great engine, tackles quite well, jumps well and tracks back. The problem is simple for me; he lacks the ability to pass effectively throughout a game and doesn't contribute to creative passages of play. For a centre midfielder these are things that should come naturally, and for Niven they are aspects of his game that qualify as his weakest areas.

Obviously i dont play or train alongside him, but just from playing 'fun' football myself the one thing i was always grateful for as a defender or midfielder was players in the team who you could feel confident passing to - even if it was just for them to lay a short pass off to carry on the move. You don't have to be an amazing Kaka or even Donal to take pressure of the team by using the ball well, you just need to move play along and keep possession. I don't think Niven can do this to a suitable standard.

I often wonder what he would be like now if at 15/16 years of age his manager would have switched him to right back and taken the time to teach him the position. I think he would have made a better right back than any we have seen there this season.

[spyright]

djs, on Jan 26 2010, 11:37 PM, said:

Allott was everywhere tonight without any help what so ever! On his own in midfield 90% of the time! He was the one piece of straw trying to plug the large hole in the bucket.

Rubbish. Green was reluctant to get forward and Artus was having to help out in a deep role to try to stem the tide washing past straw-man Allott. I thought Artus was probably the best of a very poor midfield last night. Green was useless and showed no commitment or effort for most of the game and the few crosses he did make were mostly massively over-hit. Niv had a nightmare on the other wing with passing that was bad even by his standard and Allott was anonymous for parts of the game. I'm getting sick of watching this so-called quality player pass the ball anywhere except forwards - if he's so good then why was there almost no worthwhile service to the front men? At least Artus tried and that's why I think he was our best midfielder - but he was nowhere near good enough. All-in-all last night was a truly shocking performance andf it's a good job Downes (MOTM for me) and Page played well otherwise we could have been hammered out of sight.

[CFC Jill]

Duncanout, on Jan 26 2010, 10:14 PM, said:

This is no better than Richardson.

Not true at all. We started with excellent football at the beginning of the season, but loss of key players has hit us hard.

And, how can you be calling for Sheridan out with less than a season played (only just about half) and then follow it up with this:

Duncanout, on Jan 26 2010, 11:47 PM, said:

The fans at Chesterfield are quite patient,

Half a season (where the beginning showed promise & good football) = patience??

lindave, on Jan 26 2010, 11:32 PM, said:

Allot needs dropping he was garbage yet again, Niven played well

Just goes to show how opinions of a match can differ so greatly!! I thought Allott was the only performing mid fielder & I thought Niven had a shocker!!!! I agree with DJS below.

djs, on Jan 26 2010, 11:37 PM, said:

Allott was everywhere tonight without any help what so ever! On his own in midfield 90% of the time! He was the one piece of straw trying to plug the large hole in the bucket.

We need to give Sheridan time. Glimpses of his ability as a manager have unfortunately been overshadowed by the poor performances recently, caused by situations beyond his control - injuries - n he is trying to put that right with loanees as a short term stop gap until he can build the squad he wants. Better than signing new players on long term contracts who prove to be duds.

Summed up far more eloquently by Nudger:

NudgerSS, on Jan 26 2010, 11:56 PM, said:

To expect a manager to come in and take us up in his first season is either hopeful or deluded. If we get into the play-offs this season then I would consider that a bonus.

I know patience is not a forte of the football supporter but the man needs time and not just 6 months and out!

John

[ELTON 2020]

ComptonShouter, on Jan 27 2010, 01:25 PM, said:

Not true at all. We started with excellent football at the beginning of the season, but loss of key players has hit us hard.

And, how can you be calling for Sheridan out with less than a season played (only just about half) and then follow it up with this:



Half a season (where the beginning showed promise & good football) = patience??



Just goes to show how opinions of a match can differ so greatly!! I thought Allott was the only performing mid fielder & I thought Niven had a shocker!!!! I agree with DJS below.





We need to give Sheridan time. Glimpses of his ability as a manager have unfortunately been overshadowed by the poor performances recently, caused by situations beyond his control - injuries - n he is trying to put that right with loanees as a short term stop gap until he can build the squad he wants. Better than signing new players on long term contracts who prove to be duds.

Summed up far more eloquently by Nudger:

OK, I can see all sides of the argument. Chesterfield fans are patient, we put up with defeats against Shrewsbury, Crewe, Bury, Rotherham, Lincoln a bore draw against Northampton, to name a few, a lot of supporters would be calling for the managers head. What I'm saying is people like Accrington, Morecombe Bury get these players and the best we can do is Green etcc.... need i say more
That's down to either a poor judge of players, lack of finance, poor motivation, poor team selection, bad luck, poor training, wrong type of players, injuries biased refs, a combination, you decide. Ultimately, if it weren't for the end of september / October form we would be in a relegation scrap: FACT

Statistically , if we go on as we are we could well end up in the bottom 5: FACT, facts are persistant, they don't go away

[ELTON 2020]

ComptonShouter, on Jan 27 2010, 01:25 PM, said:

Not true at all. We started with excellent football at the beginning of the season, but loss of key players has hit us hard.

And, how can you be calling for Sheridan out with less than a season played (only just about half) and then follow it up with this:



Half a season (where the beginning showed promise & good football) = patience??



Just goes to show how opinions of a match can differ so greatly!! I thought Allott was the only performing mid fielder & I thought Niven had a shocker!!!! I agree with DJS below.





We need to give Sheridan time. Glimpses of his ability as a manager have unfortunately been overshadowed by the poor performances recently, caused by situations beyond his control - injuries - n he is trying to put that right with loanees as a short term stop gap until he can build the squad he wants. Better than signing new players on long term contracts who prove to be duds.

Summed up far more eloquently by Nudger:

Your quote about excellent football at the begininng of the season saw us in the lower reaches of the division, FACT

I want Sheridan to succeed,let me make it quite clear but if we lose to Morecombe, which is a distinct possibility, and Lincoln...........Let's face Lester is not the answer, he is having , by his standards, an indifferent season....... People are going to have to start asking questions. We must get players in who know what this level is all about. It is a difficult league. The standard isn't that poor, given a lot of players are dropping down levels to continue their careers. Where is our threat then. I'm afraid i have to ask the question , how many goals have we scored in the last 8 matches? 3/4?

Perhaps i'm stating the obvious, nothing would please me more than to see us go away and win 2-0. It's not happening and isn't likely to ....................

[DIFH]

Duncanout, on Jan 26 2010, 10:14 PM, said:

What is it ........won once in 8. No excuses, i've given the man support. He put me in this position because the two loan signings, namely Artus and Green are two of the worst players ever to put on a shirt. How they can be signed by the club..... Surely, the club has got better options within, rather than this...... Sort it out or go. This is no better than Richardson.

Best joke this year .

[ELTON 2020]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Jan 27 2010, 03:46 PM, said:

Best joke this year .

Don't understand!

[CFC Jill]

Duncanout, on Jan 26 2010, 10:14 PM, said:

I've given the man support.

Duncanout, on Jan 27 2010, 03:18 PM, said:

I want Sheridan to succeed,let me make it quite clear

Duncanout, on Jan 27 2010, 03:10 PM, said:

OK, I can see all sides of the argument.

Your username, combined with the title of this thread, indicated that you have an inclination to offer less than full support to our managers. However, the above quotes made me decide to give the benefit of the doubt to try & encourage support of our current man Sheridan. I can see now that I was misguided & that no matter who we have managing the team, unless we are at the top of the league winning every single match - whether we have our full squad fit or not - no manager will ever be good enough & your opinion will not change.

Who would you like to see managing this small league 2 club, with a lack of finances, low income, in a medium sized town? Perhaps we could drop a note to Sir Alex (Dema would be happy lol) or maybe Arsene would like to pop in and do a job for us. Maybe Sven - oh, sorry that hasn't quite worked out in this division has it?

Duncanout, on Jan 27 2010, 03:18 PM, said:

Your quote about excellent football at the begininng of the season saw us in the lower reaches of the division, FACT

True (or should I say FACT). But it also saw an excellent unbeaten run at home, prompting "Fortress Saltergate" to sound like a reality rather than a pipe dream.

BTW I did consider putting the word "fact" in capital letters after my comments, but then I realised that this doesn't actually make the statement true. It just makes the poster believe it is. Whereas I understand that my posts are purely my opinion.

So, it is clear, we share differing opinions. I shall retire gracefully from the thread before it deteriorates into a slanging match (as I prefer to read those for entertainment purposes rather than participate in them as that bores me).

[Blue Rodney Fern]

Duncanout, on Jan 26 2010, 10:14 PM, said:

What is it ........won once in 8. No excuses, i've given the man support. He put me in this position because the two loan signings, namely Artus and Green are two of the worst players ever to put on a shirt. How they can be signed by the club..... Surely, the club has got better options within, rather than this...... Sort it out or go. This is no better than Richardson.

Very harsh on young Frank showed some nice touches and needs to move the ball quicker when in defensive postions and Green I can understand your fustration as he hasnt done it for me so far and if you think they are bad what about poor old Niv and I know he doesnt play wide but he cant pass a ball to save his life and nearly evrey ball went to a red shirt.
All I can say to any loan signing or perm one to the fact welcome to the great support of a good chunk of so called supporters who know how to back a player and give him confidence and I am just glad saome of this lot arnt work collegues of mine or I would be ringing Samaritans ?????

[carlT]

azul, on Jan 26 2010, 10:40 PM, said:

Do you remember Warnock?

Obviously not MATE

BY ECK NOW WERE TALKIN!

[DIFH]

djs, on Jan 26 2010, 11:37 PM, said:

Allott was everywhere tonight without any help what so ever! On his own in midfield 90% of the time! He was the one piece of straw trying to plug the large hole in the bucket.

Now I will agree on this one.

[Stallion Blue]

Duncanout, on Jan 26 2010, 10:14 PM, said:

What is it ........won once in 8. No excuses, i've given the man support. He put me in this position because the two loan signings, namely Artus and Green are two of the worst players ever to put on a shirt. How they can be signed by the club..... Surely, the club has got better options within, rather than this...... Sort it out or go. This is no better than Richardson.

your kidding right ! ? ? ?is the case of see how much sh*t we can throw at sheridan...........

i am not even thinking about the sack.........give the man some support !