[DIFH]

Lots of people don't rate scott on here, I and some others think he should be given a go. Wether it be from the start or a more regular substute role - that is another question. Time and time again he comes on and has an impact, saturday scored a good goal but to no avail. Jack should be given 60 minutes and then Scotty given his head.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Oct 19 2009, 02:22 PM, said:

Lots of people don't rate scott on here, I and some others think he should be given a go. Wether it be from the start or a more regular substute role - that is another question. Time and time again he comes on and has an impact, saturday scored a good goal but to no avail. Jack should be given 60 minutes and then Scotty given his head.

Do we have a player on the books that wouldn't have scored from there? He hasn't got the quality to start. His only impact was to run about a lot which he couldn't sustain for 90 mins

[Larkin around]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Oct 19 2009, 02:23 PM, said:

Do we have a player on the books that wouldn't have scored from there? He hasn't got the quality to start. His only impact was to run about a lot which he couldn't sustain for 90 mins

Agreed. To be honest, if we are relying on Scott Boden to push us into the top 7, I think we'll have problems. Small and Talbot is an option IF we are to drop Lester. Although, I don't reckon we should be leaving Jack out of the team anyway.

[JonB]

There were lots rattling on about him being the answer durin pre season when he scored in friendlies against the likes of Garforth and Sheffield FC but when i saw him against the Blunts he looked lost and the game passed him by as he tried to make an impact and just ended up running around a lot without doing anything.

For him to start you would need to drop one of Lowry, Lester, Donal, Talbot or Small and i dont see where you can go with that one and we now have Lewis as well to throw into the mix and there is Bowery as well.

PS.....i presume you are talking about Scott Boden by the way and not some new talent we have unearthed by the name of Scott Bowden as the last time i looked at the squad we had noone by the name of Scott Bowden!!

This post has been edited by JonB: 19 October 2009 - 01:37 PM

[Larkin around]

And Dave, for the tenth time, it's BODEN not BOWDEN.

JonB, on Oct 19 2009, 02:38 PM, said:

There were lots rattling on about him being the answer durin pre season when he scored in friendlies against the likes of Garforth and Sheffield FC but when i saw him against the Blunts he looked lost and the game passed him by as he tried to make an impact and just ended up running around a lot without doing anything.

For him to start you would need to drop one of Lowry, Lester, Donal, Talbot or Small and i dont see where you can go with that one and we now have Lewis as well to throw into the mix and there is Bowery as well.

It wouldn't make sense would it? For me, he doesn't have the right attributes to be a good striker at a professional level. He may get one or two goals, but we need more than that. His general play leaves a lot to be desired.

[JonB]

MurrayBu, on Oct 19 2009, 02:40 PM, said:

It wouldn't make sense would it? For me, he doesn't have the right attributes to be a good striker at a professional level. He may get one or two goals, but we need more than that. His general play leaves a lot to be desired.

Maybe the teams he was free scoring against in pre season suggests where he possibly should be playing.

[rs1978]

JonB, on Oct 19 2009, 02:42 PM, said:

Maybe the teams he was free scoring against in pre season suggests where he possibly should be playing.

My thoughts exactly. The first time I saw Scott and thought he would make the grade was against Sheffield FC in pre season. He was a constant threat and looked really lively. But, as you say, this needs to be qualified by taking into account the standard of the opposition.

I hope he does make the grade, basically he has this season to prove himself and if he doesn't he will be released. Some suggest a loan move might help but I doubt another league side would take him on at the moment, and if he went to a conference team it would still beg the question of whether or not he is up to the job in the football league.

[Sammy Spireite]

rs1978, on Oct 19 2009, 02:50 PM, said:

My thoughts exactly. The first time I saw Scott and thought he would make the grade was against Sheffield FC in pre season. He was a constant threat and looked really lively. But, as you say, this needs to be qualified by taking into account the standard of the opposition.

I hope he does make the grade, basically he has this season to prove himself and if he doesn't he will be released. Some suggest a loan move might help but I doubt another league side would take him on at the moment, and if he went to a conference team it would still beg the question of whether or not he is up to the job in the football league.

He has a decent record when in the first team doesn't he?

Recalling him scoring a couple when starting last season?

[JonB]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 19 2009, 02:54 PM, said:

He has a decent record when in the first team doesn't he?

Recalling him scoring a couple when starting last season?

2 goals in 4 starts and 12 sub appearances.

Soccerbase - Scott Boden

[rs1978]

JonB, on Oct 19 2009, 02:57 PM, said:

2 goals in 4 starts and 12 sub appearances.

Soccerbase - Scott Boden

It's a decent enough record, especially bearing in mind that some of the sub appearances will only have been for a couple of minutes. But, I can't say that Scott has impressed sufficiently to make me think that he should be in the First XI. Although he seems stronger than last season, he is still lacking in that department and also lacks know how or 'nouse'. Clearly this will take time but in terms of giving the youngsters a chance, Bowery seems to have the better attributes from what we have seen so far and I doubt we will be in a position to be patient with both of them. I hope that Scott proves me wrong though

[DIFH]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Oct 19 2009, 02:23 PM, said:

Do we have a player on the books that wouldn't have scored from there? He hasn't got the quality to start. His only impact was to run about a lot which he couldn't sustain for 90 mins

Sorry Ernie, for me he's got to be given the chance, whats the point of investing in his developement. When he's given 10 minutes by JS I would assume that is what he's been told to do. Your comment about 'scoring from there' is precisely what we've been short of recently - someone in the 6 yard box.
Thats my take on on it anyhow.

[DIFH]

JonB, on Oct 19 2009, 02:38 PM, said:

There were lots rattling on about him being the answer durin pre season when he scored in friendlies against the likes of Garforth and Sheffield FC but when i saw him against the Blunts he looked lost and the game passed him by as he tried to make an impact and just ended up running around a lot without doing anything.

For him to start you would need to drop one of Lowry, Lester, Donal, Talbot or Small and i dont see where you can go with that one and we now have Lewis as well to throw into the mix and there is Bowery as well.

PS.....i presume you are talking about Scott Boden by the way and not some new talent we have unearthed by the name of Scott Bowden as the last time i looked at the squad we had noone by the name of Scott Bowden!!

To clarify the point - correct.

[JonB]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Oct 19 2009, 03:34 PM, said:

Sorry Ernie, for me he's got to be given the chance, whats the point of investing in his developement. When he's given 10 minutes by JS I would assume that is what he's been told to do. Your comment about 'scoring from there' is precisely what we've been short of recently - someone in the 6 yard box.
Thats my take on on it anyhow.

Personally, despite scoring a couple last season and a few in preseason against low quality opposition, i've seen little to suggest he will add much more than a bit of running around and the major issue is that to start him you have to drop someone and i cant see who you are going to drop before you take into account there are probably a few ahead of him as well.

[Sabreman]

Dave In Footie Heaven, on Oct 19 2009, 02:22 PM, said:

Lots of people don't rate scott on here, I and some others think he should be given a go. Wether it be from the start or a more regular substute role - that is another question. Time and time again he comes on and has an impact, saturday scored a good goal but to no avail. Jack should be given 60 minutes and then Scotty given his head.

Not a chance, he offers nothing to the team, he may have scored saturday but it didn't count so is totally irrelevant. He looks bright enough and eager to run around but that's it, he is to easily brushed aside, way to lightweight for this division, he is also no where near good enough. Compare him to the stocky solid build of Donaldo who is far from easy to get knocked off the ball.
I just don't get this insistence Boden has something to offer, he is conference standard nothing more anyone who says otherwise is barking mad or obviously sees a different player to me.
I have nothing against the lad but it will never be a regular for us, i see him being released at the end of the season, Bowery is a far better bet to make the grade however i also have my doubts about him.

[J Blues]

if i was to give Boden a start i would replace Jack Lester

[BlueRover52]

When a "favoured" player misses a couple of games through suspension/injury and then struggles to find form we make excuses like,not match fit,not back to his game! When a player who struggles within the squad to make the bench, we expect miracles when they make a sub appearance.

[Walton Spireite]

In a word No.

Dave in Footie Heaven - Stop driving so fast you get done for speeding!!

[Blueprint]

Boden's good to come off the bench but he's still got plenty to prove. Has a good return in pre-season and reserve games but not quite up to first team starts yet, i'd play him in front of Bowery, Bowery has more pace but is still raw and needs to improve his awareness. Boden for me is in the pecking order behind Small, Talbot and Lester, however the longer Lester fails to come up with the goals the more opportunity Boden should get as his goal return in the first team isn't that bad for a striker at the start of his career.

[lindave]

Bowery should start ahead of Boden, but I wouldn't start a team without Jack in the starting line up. Boden had a poor headed effort before he scored and tends to run about like a little boy lost. I would like to see Drew pushed wide with Donal down the centre with Jack.

[Sammy Spireite]

lindave, on Oct 20 2009, 01:19 PM, said:

Bowery should start ahead of Boden, but I wouldn't start a team without Jack in the starting line up. Boden had a poor headed effort before he scored and tends to run about like a little boy lost. I would like to see Drew pushed wide with Donal down the centre with Jack.

Hang on, it came at him via a slight deflection at 100mph!