[Frank Thacker]

We're building a ground that meets Championship criteria; they're building a ground that just about meets L2 criteria. While I'd have liked to see us retain a portion of standing for home supporters I understand why this cannot be so. TF above says "If you compare the 2 grounds I think it shows where the clubs have come from and where they are likely to end up," and that's the whole argument boiled down into one sentence, really.

[Wooden Spoon]

Stuart Basson, on Oct 9 2009, 07:27 AM, said:

We're building a ground that meets Championship criteria; they're building a ground that just about meets L2 criteria. While I'd have liked to see us retain a portion of standing for home supporters I understand why this cannot be so. TF above says "If you compare the 2 grounds I think it shows where the clubs have come from and where they are likely to end up," and that's the whole argument boiled down into one sentence, really.

If at the very best I see town as a yo-yo club between the CCC and league one, I will have fullfilled my Football ambitions,ie, the celebration of, and the promotion to the 2nd tier for the club.

[Blueprint]

spire1986, on Oct 9 2009, 07:17 AM, said:

3 sides of terrace!! Its nice to see that some clubs take into consideration what the fans want.

Or that we are thinking about promotion. Morecombe will have barely set their sites any higher than league two. In fact they'll be happy most of the time in playing league two football given the history of the club, and the size of their support.

[Sammy Spireite]

And we are building stadium that complies with the rules of the FL grant monies towards the cost of the relocation.

Terracing equals no funding.

[Spireite S41]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 9 2009, 10:45 AM, said:

And we are building stadium that complies with the rules of the FL grant monies towards the cost of the relocation.

Terracing equals no funding.

Also needs pulling down in the Championship . Still... would have been nice for a few more years

[Sammy Spireite]

spireite-fan S41, on Oct 9 2009, 12:56 PM, said:

Also needs pulling down in the Championship . Still... would have been nice for a few more years

Not going to go over old ground but someone did post on here last season that twerracing was more expensive to install than seating.

[JonB]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 9 2009, 01:01 PM, said:

Not going to go over old ground but someone did post on here last season that twerracing was more expensive to install than seating.

Isnt it something to do with extra reinforcement required for the crash barriers etc compared to seating. Also the safe standing areas, as used in Germany and alike, is something like double the cost.

[Spire1986]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 9 2009, 10:45 AM, said:

And we are building stadium that complies with the rules of the FL grant monies towards the cost of the relocation.

Terracing equals no funding.

If terracing equals no funding then how come a club the size of Morcambe can afford to snub the grants? If the club were looking into the long term then terracing should be a viable option. Numerous clubs and high profile figures have called for some kind of re-introduction, none more high profile than Alex Ferguson. Fans up and down the country have expressed an overwhelming desire for standing sections in football grounds, its been debated in parliament on a number of occasions, someone will have to listen eventually.

[Sammy Spireite]

spire1986, on Oct 9 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

If terracing equals no funding then how come a club the size of Morcambe can afford to snub the grants? If the club were looking into the long term then terracing should be a viable option. Numerous clubs and high profile figures have called for some kind of re-introduction, none more high profile than Alex Ferguson. Fans up and down the country have expressed an overwhelming desire for standing sections in football grounds, its been debated in parliament on a number of occasions, someone will have to listen eventually.

Perhaps they can afford it without?

Given the size of the stadium, perhaps thje difference is massive?

Perhaps they have already claimed and spent the funding money to get Christie Park up to league std?

[Town_Fan]

Sammy Spireite, on Oct 9 2009, 03:50 PM, said:

Perhaps they can afford it without?

Given the size of the stadium, perhaps thje difference is massive?

Perhaps they have already claimed and spent the funding money to get Christie Park up to league std?

I believe Sainsburys are paying a premuim for the land at Christie Park.

[Sammy Spireite]

Town_Fan, on Oct 9 2009, 03:55 PM, said:

I believe Sainsburys are paying a premuim for the land at Christie Park.

good deal then.

I suppose its like someone offering you £500k for yor house then you being able to build a newer, better, bigger house in a more suitable location for less than £500k.

[Wooden Spoon]

spire1986, on Oct 9 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

If terracing equals no funding then how come a club the size of Morcambe can afford to snub the grants? If the club were looking into the long term then terracing should be a viable option. Numerous clubs and high profile figures have called for some kind of re-introduction, none more high profile than Alex Ferguson. Fans up and down the country have expressed an overwhelming desire for standing sections in football grounds, its been debated in parliament on a number of occasions, someone will have to listen eventually.

The grants are for new builds, not what you build.

If we have ambitions of football in the 2nd tier then terracing is a no no. Do morcambe have ambitions of second tier footy?

[Spireite S41]

spire1986, on Oct 9 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

If terracing equals no funding then how come a club the size of Morcambe can afford to snub the grants? If the club were looking into the long term then terracing should be a viable option. Numerous clubs and high profile figures have called for some kind of re-introduction, none more high profile than Alex Ferguson. Fans up and down the country have expressed an overwhelming desire for standing sections in football grounds, its been debated in parliament on a number of occasions, someone will have to listen eventually.

If the time came, couldnt we just take the seats out and put crash-barriers in? With extra structural support if needed?

[DIFH]

spire1986, on Oct 9 2009, 03:47 PM, said:

If terracing equals no funding then how come a club the size of Morcambe can afford to snub the grants? If the club were looking into the long term then terracing should be a viable option. Numerous clubs and high profile figures have called for some kind of re-introduction, none more high profile than Alex Ferguson. Fans up and down the country have expressed an overwhelming desire for standing sections in football grounds, its been debated in parliament on a number of occasions, someone will have to listen eventually.

I would bet that the Morcambe new build in reality will be similar to the set up at Chester. Pictures/architects drawings can be deceiving. I would think the cost of their build is relative to the money they are receiving from the sale of their site.

I would think they are being very realistic with their plans and with their anticipated number of supporters in that region. Very rural out of town sandwiched betwwen Blackpool/Carlisle and not very far from the premier regions of Greater manchester.

[Zeus]

Mark Jones, on Oct 11 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

I am no engineer but I would suspect terracing needs much more stronger foundations than seating due to the fact that people standing is more condensed weight than seating, therefore it would cost more to build and if we only use it for one season, its hardly worth the bother.

I'm sure the foundations there would be strong enough to hold everybody standing - it's what happens at half time in grounds with seating anyway.

[lindo-spireite]

3 sides of terracing, this day and age, is poor IMO

[Spireite S41]

D Loizou, on Oct 11 2009, 08:47 PM, said:

I'm sure the foundations there would be strong enough to hold everybody standing - it's what happens at half time in grounds with seating anyway.

He means the density of the crowd will be greater.

true blue, on Oct 11 2009, 08:51 PM, said:

3 sides of terracing, this day and age, is poor IMO

Why's that?

[JonB]

D Loizou, on Oct 11 2009, 08:47 PM, said:

I'm sure the foundations there would be strong enough to hold everybody standing - it's what happens at half time in grounds with seating anyway.

It's more to do with the fixings for the barriers, they need better foundations etc to hold them so they work properly.