[dim view]

MP-Spire, on Jun 8 2008, 12:33 PM, said:

That reads like we've forced the player into a corner. We're in a win-win situation regardless.

well, all this conjecture could rebound and bite us on the bum, but yes, you could say that. I'd rather put the blame on his agent for exaggerating his value and his wage capacity. Of course, he could at this precise moment be sitting in a market square somewhere in Hungary mulling over an offer to return there.
If nowt happens, then the date to accept the new terms (one calendar month I think) expires and Janos might have to revert to a new contract with his old terms if he wants to play for us again. If I were him, I would sign now, and take the promotion bonus which will certainly swell his bank account next season.

[Wooden Spoon]

Saltergate Stu, on Jun 8 2008, 12:36 PM, said:

I also recall hearing that we'd punted a small fee on him when the two-year "loan" expired, which probably reinforces the idea that MTK will be due nothing from any subsequent deal.

Thats true, LR did say we paid a fee, not a large one, but a fee non the less.

I hope Janos stays, I like his style. As said elsewhere, it appers we are in a win win situation.

[Doughnut]

death, on Jun 8 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

Thats true, LR did say we paid a fee, not a large one, but a fee non the less.

I hope Janos stays, I like his style. As said elsewhere, it appers we are in a win win situation.

I too like Janos and think he could develop into a very decent player. But where would he fit in with Downes, Page and Austin? Not that I'm complaining at the thought of 4 CBs to choose from.

[onlyonefinfolan]

dim view, on Jun 8 2008, 02:20 PM, said:

well, all this conjecture could rebound and bite us on the bum, but yes, you could say that. I'd rather put the blame on his agent for exaggerating his value and his wage capacity. Of course, he could at this precise moment be sitting in a market square somewhere in Hungary mulling over an offer to return there.
If nowt happens, then the date to accept the new terms (one calendar month I think) expires and Janos might have to revert to a new contract with his old terms if he wants to play for us again. If I were him, I would sign now, and take the promotion bonus which will certainly swell his bank account next season.

Janos was offered a new deal ages ago - Jan or Feb if memory is right - his agent has also had all of that time to procure a pre-contract agreement. Nothing done yet, so I agree with your view here Dim.

This post has been edited by onlyonefinfolan: 08 June 2008 - 05:15 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

Doughnut, on Jun 8 2008, 06:06 PM, said:

I too like Janos and think he could develop into a very decent player. But where would he fit in with Downes, Page and Austin? Not that I'm complaining at the thought of 4 CBs to choose from.

Austin at LB, Kovac and Page CB, Downes on the bench.

[Doughnut]

death, on Jun 8 2008, 06:28 PM, said:

Austin at LB, Kovac and Page CB, Downes on the bench.

You may be right but does Austin have the pace to play LB?

In the transcript to Rico's interview I noted the following about Kevin Austin:

"He's very solid, very strong, very dependable and a leader who I feel will form a strong partnership with Rob Page"

I could be wrong but this suggests to me that Austin may well start with Page as the preferred CH choice. This being the case I can't imagine us having both Kovacs and Downes on the bench. I'm pretty sure neither player would be happy with that, and following last season's performances, Kovacs certainly would not deserve it.

[Wooden Spoon]

Doughnut, on Jun 8 2008, 07:13 PM, said:

You may be right but does Austin have the pace to play LB?

In the transcript to Rico's interview I noted the following about Kevin Austin:

"He's very solid, very strong, very dependable and a leader who I feel will form a strong partnership with Rob Page"

I could be wrong but this suggests to me that Austin may well start with Page as the preferred CH choice. This being the case I can't imagine us having both Kovacs and Downes on the bench. I'm pretty sure neither player would be happy with that, and following last season's performances, Kovacs certainly would not deserve it.

If Janos does decide to sign, it would resolve the LB slot, with Robertson in LM, killing 2 birds with one stone.

If Janos leaves, then they would make a formidable CB pairing.

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

death, on Jun 8 2008, 07:16 PM, said:

If Janos does decide to sign, it would resolve the LB slot, with Robertson in LM, killing 2 birds with one stone.

If Janos leaves, then they would make a formidable CB pairing.

Do you think he may play Downes at right back after his experiemnt last year and put Picken over to the left

[fishini]

Doughnut, on Jun 8 2008, 07:13 PM, said:

You may be right but does Austin have the pace to play LB?

In the transcript to Rico's interview I noted the following about Kevin Austin:

"He's very solid, very strong, very dependable and a leader who I feel will form a strong partnership with Rob Page"

I could be wrong but this suggests to me that Austin may well start with Page as the preferred CH choice. This being the case I can't imagine us having both Kovacs and Downes on the bench. I'm pretty sure neither player would be happy with that, and following last season's performances, Kovacs certainly would not deserve it.

Neither does Robertson but unlike Robertson he does have strength, bottle and nous

[Spireite-Karl]

fishini, on Jun 8 2008, 07:25 PM, said:

Neither does Robertson but unlike Robertson he does have strength, bottle and nous

Can't see him being anywhere near quick enough for left back!

Death is right in one sense about killing two birds with one stone, but is know one else worried about the lack of creative spark in our team? Know one can deny that we have a solid unit (which we totally didn't have last term), we also have the best pair of strikers in league two, to go with the best pair of Centre backs, but who's going to create the chances? Niven? Harsley? Lowry? Robertson? (If death's right and he plays left mid).

Personally I much sooner see a starting eleven of:

---------------Roche-----------------

Harsley--Page--Austin--Robertson

Lowry---Kerry/Niven---A/N----A/N

---------Ward-------Lester----------

Subs: A/N (GK), Downes/Kovacs, Picken, Kerry/ Niven, A/N (Big mobile hit man)

I'm undecided on who'd start Kerry or Niven (I'd probably go with Niven and if he didn't cut the mustard then I'd draft in Kerry, if neither didn't perform the I'd start with Picks and bring Harsley into the middle)

Robo for me would make be the best option at left back, he gets forward with purpose and gets back well (contrary to what some think )

We need a couple of signings to make us a pretty side to watch! At the moment we look very solid but little flair! I know more body’s are on there way, just hoping they are more creative!

Rico's done fantastic so far, but we need some spark in the team, anyone else feel this is a fair assessment?

[Doughnut]

Spireite-Karl, on Jun 8 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

Can't see him being anywhere near quick enough for left back!

Death is right in one sense about killing two birds with one stone, but is know one else worried about the lack of creative spark in our team? Know one can deny that we have a solid unit (which we totally didn't have last term), we also have the best pair of strikers in league two, to go with the best pair of Centre backs, but who's going to create the chances? Niven? Harsley? Lowry? Robertson? (If death's right and he plays left mid).

Personally I much sooner see a starting eleven of:

---------------Roche-----------------

Harsley--Page--Austin--Robertson

Lowry---Kerry/Niven---A/N----A/N

---------Ward-------Lester----------

Subs: A/N (GK), Downes/Kovacs, Picken, Kerry/ Niven, A/N (Big mobile hit man)

I'm undecided on who'd start Kerry or Niven (I'd probably go with Niven and if he didn't cut the mustard then I'd draft in Kerry, if neither didn't perform the I'd start with Picks and bring Harsley into the middle)

Robo for me would make be the best option at left back, he gets forward with purpose and gets back well (contrary to what some think )

We need a couple of signings to make us a pretty side to watch! At the moment we look very solid but little flair! I know more body’s are on there way, just hoping they are more creative!

Rico's done fantastic so far, but we need some spark in the team, anyone else feel this is a fair assessment?

You should be shot for suggesting Picken plays CM! If Kerry and Niven don't cut the mustard then its up to Harsley, then Winter. If still no good then go for Rico and Hubbard. These should all be in the pecking order above Picken. I rate Picken as a good defender but he's no CM.

[Spireite-Karl]

Doughnut, on Jun 8 2008, 08:47 PM, said:

You should be shot for suggesting Picken plays CM! If Kerry and Niven don't cut the mustard then its up to Harsley, then Winter. If still no good then go for Rico and Hubbard. These should all be in the pecking order above Picken. I rate Picken as a good defender but he's no CM.

I'd shoot myself if I ever started with Picken in ANY position! Where was it again I suggested putting Picken in the middle? I don't think you read my post right


I'd also play Harsley at right back as according to the Vale fans it's his best position (play to your strenghts every time!), we have two ball winners that are ok at doing just that, Niven and Kerry so a third is just a waste when he can play so much better else where!

Also Austins legs are going and is no longer really capable of playing left back; again according to the Swans fans (play to your strenghts again). That leaves Robo at left back (suits me but not others) and Lowry as our sole creative players! Other than Ward and Lester creating for each other.

Can't wait to see who Rico comes up with as these are not easy postisions to fill. Bastiens would do me fine at left mid, but can't see it happening.

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 08 June 2008 - 08:33 PM

[Doughnut]

Spireite-Karl, on Jun 8 2008, 09:18 PM, said:

I'd shoot myself if I ever started with Picken in ANY position! Where was it again I suggested putting Picken in the middle? I don't think you read my post right


I'd also play Harsley at right back as according to the Vale fans it's his best position (play to your strenghts every time!), we have two ball winners that are ok at doing just that, Niven and Kerry so a third is just a waste when he can play so much better else where!

Also Austins legs are going and is no longer really capable of playing left back; again according to the Swans fans (play to your strenghts again). That leaves Robo at left back (suits me but not others) and Lowry as our sole creative players! Other than Ward and Lester creating for each other.

Can't wait to see who Rico comes up with as these are not easy postisions to fill. Bastiens would do me fine at left mid, but can't see it happening.

Just re-read your post and apologies, my mistake, I mis-interpreted what you meant. I should be shot for mis-reading your posts and responding like that

If Harsley does play RB I'd be tempted to push Picken to LB and play Robertson LM. I think that would work.

[Wooden Spoon]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Jun 8 2008, 07:18 PM, said:

Do you think he may play Downes at right back after his experiemnt last year and put Picken over to the left

Could work I guess.

[lindave]

Picken would be my first choice fullback every time with Lowery at right back. Come Ricco we still need a big hitter up front with Jack and Wardy. I can't say I'm over excited about the season starting yet especially as Ricco will still be in charge ( I still have big doubts that he can get us up whoever he signs).

[Wooden Spoon]

Spireite-Karl, on Jun 8 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

Can't see him being anywhere near quick enough for left back!

Death is right in one sense about killing two birds with one stone, but is know one else worried about the lack of creative spark in our team? Know one can deny that we have a solid unit (which we totally didn't have last term), we also have the best pair of strikers in league two, to go with the best pair of Centre backs, but who's going to create the chances? Niven? Harsley? Lowry? Robertson? (If death's right and he plays left mid).

Personally I much sooner see a starting eleven of:

---------------Roche-----------------

Harsley--Page--Austin--Robertson

Lowry---Kerry/Niven---A/N----A/N

---------Ward-------Lester----------

Subs: A/N (GK), Downes/Kovacs, Picken, Kerry/ Niven, A/N (Big mobile hit man)

I'm undecided on who'd start Kerry or Niven (I'd probably go with Niven and if he didn't cut the mustard then I'd draft in Kerry, if neither didn't perform the I'd start with Picks and bring Harsley into the middle)

Robo for me would make be the best option at left back, he gets forward with purpose and gets back well (contrary to what some think )

We need a couple of signings to make us a pretty side to watch! At the moment we look very solid but little flair! I know more body’s are on there way, just hoping they are more creative!

Rico's done fantastic so far, but we need some spark in the team, anyone else feel this is a fair assessment?

If we assume thats correct,(we dont know the managers plans or targets) then the 2 banks of 4 look very solid, and lowry/robertson are capable of crossing. The `flair` or `spark` I expect to come form Jack Lester.

[Aspire_webby]

Spireite-Karl, on Jun 8 2008, 08:13 PM, said:

Personally I much sooner see a starting eleven of:

---------------Roche-----------------

Harsley--Page--Austin--Robertson

Lowry---Kerry/Niven---A/N----A/N

---------Ward-------Lester----------

Subs: A/N (GK), Downes/Kovacs, Picken, Kerry/ Niven, A/N (Big mobile hit man)

Two things coming from Ricos interview.

1. The door is still open for Kovacs (despite the fact he seems to have closed it on the way out himself!). That suggests to me that Austin has been signed as left back not centre half and we'll see another CB sign once Kovacs finally signs for another club.

2. We are looking for a big forward - Richardsons instinct for most of last season was to start with a big target man and Lester. Unless we move to 4-3-3 or some other foration that accommodates him that raises questions about Ward's role.

This post has been edited by Aspire_webby: 09 June 2008 - 09:19 AM

[Sammy Spireite]

Kovac's 2 year loan dean from MTK expired before last season and he became a free agent. We gave him a 1 year deal last season which surely negates any sell-on clause payable to MTK?

Also, we have offered him a lower wage than he was on last season and i think this may negate any compensation fee becasue i'm he has to have been offered an improved or manintained deal.

Anyone know for sure?

[dim view]

Sammy Spireite, on Jun 9 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

Kovac's 2 year loan dean from MTK expired before last season and he became a free agent. We gave him a 1 year deal last season which surely negates any sell-on clause payable to MTK?

Also, we have offered him a lower wage than he was on last season and i think this may negate any compensation fee becasue i'm he has to have been offered an improved or manintained deal.

Anyone know for sure?

yep, me. He was offered an improved deal. Why on earth would the club take any action which would stop the compo?.

[dalekpete]

Sammy Spireite, on Jun 9 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

Kovac's 2 year loan dean from MTK expired before last season and he became a free agent.

I thought he was still under contract which is why we "settled" with his old club.

Sammy Spireite, on Jun 9 2008, 10:24 AM, said:

Also, we have offered him a lower wage than he was on last season and i think this may negate any compensation fee becasue i'm he has to have been offered an improved or manintained deal.

I thought we offered Janos more than he was on but less than he expected. His current contract was offered on the back of playing in BSP while the new one was as a regular starter for us. However it is possible it was still less than colleagues who were not playing to his standard?