[Wooden Spoon]

Town_Fan, on Feb 2 2008, 07:40 PM, said:

This man gets it. Ward offers positives with his pace and close skill but his finishing is letting us down. Rooney's finishing has been much better and thats whats needed most by a striker.

As for picking and choosing my answers if Stoke offered to take Ward for Rooney I would swap them. Rooney is decent now and I can see him getting better in the future. Does anyone realistically think Ward could play in the Championship?

Thats because he is being objective and not saying the opposite for the sake of an argument.

I agree Ward has some great attributes to his game, his movement and pace are splendid, and I feel he panicks and shoots too early. Some composure would certainly help him.

[fishini]

h again, on Feb 2 2008, 12:18 PM, said:

Why was it a mistake? The lad wanted to go because he couldn't get a game. If Rico had insisted on keeping him it would not only have caused resentment, it would have ruined our chances of ever getting anybody from Stoke, and probably several other clubs, ever again.
If Rico had kicked him out it would have been a mistake - letting him go when he wanted it was enlightened management and can do us nothing but good in the medium to long term.

The Jester just gets better and better

h again, on Feb 2 2008, 12:40 PM, said:

If you think he should have got a game you should tell us who you would have dropped to include him, and why.
We haven't gone into a slump, and we've never stopped scoring goals - second highest scorers in the division. The problems lie at the back. Not midfield, not up front - at the back.

and better

[Bugerov]

h again, on Feb 2 2008, 01:59 PM, said:

I'm not talking about individual games. To play Rooney you have to drop Lester, Ward or Fletcher, every one of whom offers something that Rooney hasn't got. He was an excellent lad to have on the bench or covering for injuries - he wasn't happy with that, and fair play to him, so Rico did the right thing. Would you have guarenteed him a starting place regularly to get him to stay?[color=#FF0000]

Maybe Rooney has something that Ward and Fletcher haven't - the ability to score at a decent ratio.
I see nothing wrong with subbing either of them for Rooney.
Why should he be happy with being on the bench and not being brought on ? Especially when those ahead of him fail to score

[Spireite-Karl]

Is wasn't so long ago that we had a large thread on here about Rooney being not good enough!

Oh, how things chance when things are not going well!

The phrase 'Clutching at straws comes' to mind!

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 02 February 2008 - 08:53 PM

[h again]

death, on Feb 2 2008, 07:34 PM, said:

Second highest scorer for CFC so far this season?
You must be on a wind-up. Not even you could believe that tripe.

The Court Jester strikes again

I told you why it would be good for the club. You may not agree, in which case it might be a good idea to tell us why not. Otherwise we might come the conclusion that you call yourself 'death' because of the empty space between the ears of the Grim Reaper.

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Feb 2 2008, 07:40 PM, said:

This man gets it. Ward offers positives with his pace and close skill but his finishing is letting us down. Rooney's finishing has been much better and thats whats needed most by a striker.

As for picking and choosing my answers if Stoke offered to take Ward for Rooney I would swap them. Rooney is decent now and I can see him getting better in the future. Does anyone realistically think Ward could play in the Championship?

. But the pace and skill aren't there. Would YOU have guarenteed Rooney a regular starting place to keep him here?

[Dan_CFC]

Simply, we have lost a quality addition of the squad. With Rooney in the squad we had 2 natural goalscorers with Lester and Rooney. The guy could finish. Goals win games.

[Doughnut]

Spireite-Karl, on Feb 2 2008, 08:52 PM, said:

Is wasn't so long ago that we had a large thread on here about Rooney being not good enough!

Oh, how things chance when things are not going well!

The phrase 'Clutching at straws comes' to mind!

To be honest Karl, I think those comments came after he'd made a few substitute appearances, not scored and missed a couple of relatively easy chances. He then starts for 5 games and scores 5 goals. I think after this people realised that Rooney wasn't the oxygen-thief he was touted as.

[Bugerov]

h again, on Feb 2 2008, 09:08 PM, said:

. But the pace and skill aren't there. Would YOU have guarenteed Rooney a regular starting place to keep him here?

More importantly, the goals were.
It wouldnt have been necessary to start him every game to keep him here.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on Feb 2 2008, 09:02 PM, said:

I told you why it would be good for the club. You may not agree, in which case it might be a good idea to tell us why not. Otherwise we might come the conclusion that you call yourself 'death' because of the empty space between the ears of the Grim Reaper.

Losing your second highest scorer is good for the club?

Its nice to see your still refusing to resort to abuse, but then you have said many times you wouldn`t stoop so low.

h again, on Feb 2 2008, 09:08 PM, said:

. But the pace and skill aren't there. Would YOU have guarenteed Rooney a regular starting place to keep him here?

Dont have to give a starting place week in week out,but give him a game from the bench regularly...

[h again]

death, on Feb 3 2008, 04:14 PM, said:

Losing your second highest scorer is good for the club?

Its nice to see your still refusing to resort to abuse, but then you have said many times you wouldn`t stoop so low.
Dont have to give a starting place week in week out,but give him a game from the bench regularly...

Not what I said - you really need to read more carefully. Try following the letters with your finger if it helps.

It's good for the club that Rico has decided to let Rooney have regular football. If we'd kept him we'd have forfeited a lot of respect from clubs we might want players from in the future. Just let me know if you still find it difficult to understand and I'll try to make it simpler for you.

[h again]

death, on Feb 3 2008, 04:14 PM, said:

Losing your second highest scorer is good for the club?

Its nice to see your still refusing to resort to abuse, but then you have said many times you wouldn`t stoop so low.
Dont have to give a starting place week in week out,but give him a game from the bench regularly...

You don't guarentee a raw kid a game, or even a substitute appearance - not unless you want a revolt from the rest of the players who don't get any such guarentees. It was obviously impossible for Rico to give any such promises, so he did the right thing. I can't see the problem you're having understanding that.

[Town_Fan]

h again, on Feb 3 2008, 04:38 PM, said:

You don't guarentee a raw kid a game, or even a substitute appearance - not unless you want a revolt from the rest of the players who don't get any such guarentees. It was obviously impossible for Rico to give any such promises, so he did the right thing. I can't see the problem you're having understanding that.

I think Rooney did the right thing, what striker worth his salt wouldnt be knocking on the managers door when Ward and Fletcher were getting picked ahead of you especially when you have proved that given a start up front you could score goals? Rico will regret this mistake while Ward and Fletcher continue to misfire.

[Wooden Spoon]

death said:

04:14 PM' [/color] post='205307']
Its nice to see your still refusing to resort to abuse, but then you have said many times you wouldn`t stoop so low.

h again said:

04:33 PM' [/color] post='205316']
Try following the letters with your finger if it helps.

Just let me know if you still find it difficult to understand and I'll try to make it simpler for you.

Your hypocrisy is staggering. This from a `man` who is the first to moan about abuse, and has even run to the moderators like a crying school boy.

h again, on Feb 3 2008, 04:33 PM, said:

It's good for the club that Rico has decided to let Rooney have regular football.

How ever you want to spin it, losing your second highest goal scorer is NOT good for the club.

Rooney decided he wanted to leave,not LR. Ignoring the facts as usual.

[Town_Fan]

death, on Feb 3 2008, 04:49 PM, said:

Your hypocrisy is staggering. This from a `man` who is the first to moan about abuse, and has even run to the moderators like a crying school boy.

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. What a poor little lamb. The man is pathetic.

[Blueprint]

latewinner, on Feb 2 2008, 12:22 PM, said:

I think the issue is why our second top scorer couldnt get a game in a side that had gone into a slump. Unless of course you simply blame everything on Aaron Downes.

Since we've signed Rooney on loan we've had three games where we have failed to score, we shouldn't have to be relying on our strikers to score more goals than our defence concede each week, we have a habit of conceding silly goals, you don't stop conceding silly goals by sticking another striker on the pitch. Not everything is Aaron Downes's fault but he is making a considerable amount of mistakes this season.

The problem now we have no Rooney could be seen yesterday, we have no decent back up firepower now, we had Ward and Fletch on the pitch leaving just the aged Allison and his legs are hardly fresh these days. We need a better striker on the bench, but Rooney was obviously not happy being on the subs bench. I believe we need a player like Ward to complement Jack, when we signed Rooney people thought he was slow, and generally useless, a few goals and opinions change, a striking partnership is not just about scoring goals, someone has to create the chances too. We don't expect Fletch to score many goals, that was the situation when we signed him, obviously Ward ought to be playing better than he is and scoring a little more frequently, but the main reason we aren't winning games in down to poor defending.

We need a replacement for Rooney, but they need to be aware that they are a squad player, they aren't going to dislodge Lester from the starting line up so there's only one place left to challenge for (unless we play three up front) and we already have 2 good strikers for that position (although Ward is playing deeper currently). With Rooney we've had 3 strikers challenging for 1/2 positions, there's always someone who has to sit on the bench, meaning there's always one unhappy face. If Rooney was still with us he'd have came on yesterday instead of Allison, he may have scored and won us the game, but instead he didn't get to play at all for anyone.

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Feb 3 2008, 04:48 PM, said:

I think Rooney did the right thing, what striker worth his salt wouldnt be knocking on the managers door when Ward and Fletcher were getting picked ahead of you especially when you have proved that given a start up front you could score goals? Rico will regret this mistake while Ward and Fletcher continue to misfire.

So has Ward - the burning question is how many and what else do you bring to the team. Nobody was clamouring for Rooney to be included in the team when he was here for fairly obvious reasons - now he's gone he's just another stick to beat the manager with.
As for Rico regretting it, I shouldn't think he gives it a thought unless Stoke ring up to thank him - he's got a lot more problems than a young kid who couldn't force his way into the team.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on Feb 3 2008, 05:20 PM, said:

So has Ward - the burning question is how many and what else do you bring to the team. Nobody was clamouring for Rooney to be included in the team when he was here for fairly obvious reasons - now he's gone he's just another stick to beat the manager with.
As for Rico regretting it, I shouldn't think he gives it a thought unless Stoke ring up to thank him - he's got a lot more problems than a young kid who couldn't force his way into the team.

Indeed he has, like a team that is reliant on one man for goals, and could do with a goal scoring partner......

[dim view]

Blueprint, on Feb 3 2008, 05:10 PM, said:

The problem now we have no Rooney could be seen yesterday, we have no decent back up firepower now, we had Ward and Fletch on the pitch leaving just the aged Allison and his legs are hardly fresh these days. We need a better striker on the bench,

We need a better striker on the pitch, with Fletch on the bench.

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Feb 3 2008, 04:53 PM, said:

Ha ha ha ha ha ha. What a poor little lamb. The man is pathetic.

Oh dear, back to 'Beano and Dandy' language again. I wouldn't place too much faith in your pal with the vacant skull if I were you - for one thing he hasn't a clue what the Moderators do and say, for another I'd be quite within my rights to appeal to them about almost every post that you and he put out, but I obviously don't - and for a third, YOU were threatening ME with the Moderators a couple of weeks back over some absurd allegation that I said you were Chris Snell. You poor little lamb.
I should choose your friends more carefully - I shouldn't think many of them choose you. Baaaaaa.