[Town_Fan]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 11:33 AM, said:

Exactly. The defence is leaking like a sieve - so the answer is to play an extra forward. A novel approach, but as you're the only one left on here who knows anything about football - by your own admission - it must be the way to go. Kovacs at centre-forward in a 3-3-4 should do the trick.

What are you on about? I'm not saying we should play an extra attacker I'm saying we should play the right ones.

Fletcher + Ward = 7 goals

Rooney = 7 goals in alot less performances and having to be stuck on the wing.

Maybe Ward is the assist master? Nope a grand total of 4 compared to Rooney's 3.

Its not rocket science is it?

As for Richardson "making a mistake" well he compounded it by continuing to play Rooney on the wing and then by dropping him altogether. How many more mistakes do we have to put up with?

[Balearic Mac]

latewinner, on Feb 1 2008, 10:58 AM, said:

Maybe if Rico had given Rooney a sub role in most games the lad would have felt involved enough to stay till May. Think we have handled this badly

If you seriously believe that we should have pandered to a raw kid to such an extent that we bring him on as a sub regardless of whether the situation warrants it, then you've taken 'handling things badly' to a whole new level. I take it you haven't got kids...?

[Town_Fan]

Balearic Mac, on Feb 1 2008, 02:15 PM, said:

If you seriously believe that we should have pandered to a raw kid to such an extent that we bring him on as a sub regardless of whether the situation warrants it, then you've taken 'handling things badly' to a whole new level. I take it you haven't got kids...?

He was usually rubbish when he came on as sub, he needed to start to affect a game but I take your point.

[BlueRover52]

Given the chance Rooney will prove to be a true enigma in the game, generally not a good athlete or footballer but has the inane ability to score goals.

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Feb 1 2008, 02:01 PM, said:

What are you on about? I'm not saying we should play an extra attacker I'm saying we should play the right ones.

Fletcher + Ward = 7 goals

Rooney = 7 goals in alot less performances and having to be stuck on the wing.

Maybe Ward is the assist master? Nope a grand total of 4 compared to Rooney's 3.

Its not rocket science is it?

As for Richardson "making a mistake" well he compounded it by continuing to play Rooney on the wing and then by dropping him altogether. How many more mistakes do we have to put up with?

You seem to think that Rooney is a direct replacement for Ward, so far as you think at all. He isn't and wasn't. He was a big - but not big enough - raw youngster with lots of enthusiasm but very little pace who only played in the penalty box. We already have the ultimate box player in Lester, who can play just as well outside - no place there for Rooney.
We have a target man in Fletch who can provide an aerial threat and hold the ball up - not very well, but Rooney can't do it at all, as he showed whenever he played. No place there for him.
And we have Jamie Ward, probably the most exciting player of all, but struggling to score at the moment. The woodwork, by the way, has robbed him of at least three brilliant goals which would all have qualified for Goal of the Season. Ward can play in the Lester role, but is usually under orders to drift wide and pull the defence about. He has lightning pace, excellent control, strength on the ball, delivers excellent dead balls and can play as a conventional winger if required. Rooney can't do any of those things. No place there for him.
Personally, if I were in charge I would have given Rooney a run, but only in place of Fletcher, who's fairly marginal anyway. Our best line-up at the moment is the one that beat Hereford, and there certainly wouldn't be a place for Rooney in that. It's a shame he's gone 'cos he would have been very useful as cover for injuries, but if the lad wants football every week it's his decision.
That Rico made a mistake by dropping him is simply your opinion. He made a mistake by playing him on the wing against MK Dons, but on that occasion a brilliant goal by, who else, Jamie Ward won us the match and we got away with it. If he played on the wing again it was only because Rico didn't want to change a winning team, but I can't remember him doing so, and leaving him out was a perfectly reasonable decision for the reasons I've given you.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 11:48 AM, said:

Your great friend and mentor, the alleged Town Fan, has not pointed out Rico's failings. He's said he's clueless and should never have been appointed - a very different thing. The fact that you agree with that opinion doesn't surprise me in the least.

Saying the opposite for the sake of arguing again?

I was one of the few who said I thought LR was a bright young coach when he was appointed, and I liked the way he talked etc.

But dont let facts get in the way....

The Court Jester strikes again

This post has been edited by death: 01 February 2008 - 05:44 PM

[h again]

Town_Fan, on Feb 1 2008, 02:23 PM, said:

He was usually rubbish when he came on as sub, he needed to start to affect a game but I take your point.

No he wasn't rubbish. He had some difficulty getting into the pace of games but he always did his best. Why do you always find it so difficult to give credit where it's due, even to players you're supposed to be touting for?

[Wooden Spoon]

Town_Fan, on Feb 1 2008, 02:01 PM, said:

What are you on about? I'm not saying we should play an extra attacker I'm saying we should play the right ones.

What is it Court Jester says about people making up facts and quotes in order to shoot them down?

The Court Jester strikes again

[h again]

death, on Feb 1 2008, 05:28 PM, said:

Saying the opposite for the sake of arguing again?

I was one of the few who said I thought LR was a bright young coach when he was appointed, and I liked the way he talked etc.

But dont let facts get in the way....

The Court Jester strikes again

Does it ever occur to you that it might be you who says the opposite for the sake of it? - and goes on saying it interminably after everybody has lost interest in your playground behaviour.
If you think LR is a bright young coach I suggest you go and argue with Town Fan, who makes no secret of the fact he thinks he's useless. Why you find it necessary to back up the said TF when you claim to have the totally opposite view is beyond me, but no doubt it makes some kind of sense to you. I'll leave the two of you to have an interesting debate.

[Town_Fan]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

Does it ever occur to you that it might be you who says the opposite for the sake of it? - and goes on saying it interminably after everybody has lost interest in your playground behaviour.
If you think LR is a bright young coach I suggest you go and argue with Town Fan, who makes no secret of the fact he thinks he's useless. Why you find it necessary to back up the said TF when you claim to have the totally opposite view is beyond me, but no doubt it makes some kind of sense to you. I'll leave the two of you to have an interesting debate.

Its about respect, there are many on here who I disagree with passionately but I respect their views. I disagree with Death about Richardson but can understand why he holds that view. At least he doenst change his views in a petty bout of one upmanship which is why I respect him and think you are an obtuse fool.

You seriously need to chill the hell out.

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

If you think LR is a bright young coach I suggest you go and argue with Town Fan,

I have done.

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

Does it ever occur to you that it might be you who says the opposite for the sake of it?

I have said LR is a decent bright young coach many times this eason, why then, did you claim I held the opposite view?

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

I'll leave the two of you to have an interesting debate.

Could you? perhaps for 20 or 30 years?

[Wooden Spoon]

h again, on Feb 1 2008, 05:44 PM, said:

Does it ever occur to you that it might be you who says the opposite for the sake of it?

I see.

Remind me then, Who was it who spent 3 pages of a thread trying to argue I dont work nights?

[Blueprint]

That's a big blow losing Rooney, he was initially brought in to replace Jack when he was out, but he has been useful since then. Prefer to see him upfront rather than in midfield but first team starts are limited for him upfront, his goal ratio is good but he's a different type of player to Wardy and depends who complements jack the better, plus we've also got Fletch. Rooney barely played any games when he was on loan at Yeovil, he's done better for us, if we have an injury/suspension upfront we'll miss him for sure, unless Rico brings in someone else on loan.

Also read today that Bastains has gone back to Forest from Notts County as his month is up, wonder what they thought of him, i'd have thought his deal would have been extended.

[fishini]

Blueprint, on Feb 1 2008, 06:30 PM, said:

That's a big blow losing Rooney, he was initially brought in to replace Jack when he was out, but he has been useful since then. Prefer to see him upfront rather than in midfield but first team starts are limited for him upfront, his goal ratio is good but he's a different type of player to Wardy and depends who complements jack the better, plus we've also got Fletch. Rooney barely played any games when he was on loan at Yeovil, he's done better for us, if we have an injury/suspension upfront we'll miss him for sure, unless Rico brings in someone else on loan.

Also read today that Bastains has gone back to Forest from Notts County as his month is up, wonder what they thought of him, i'd have thought his deal would have been extended.

At the end of the day whatever your views are the reality is that through sheer bad management by Rico the the squad is now both smaller and considerably weaker and as such our chances of making the play offs are fast disappearing

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

fishini, on Feb 1 2008, 06:36 PM, said:

At the end of the day whatever your views are the reality is that through sheer bad management by Rico the the squad is now both smaller and considerably weaker and as such our chances of making the play offs are fast disappearing

Comsiderably Fish? He wasn't getting a game. OK the depth of squad is reduced but in all probability for a week only

[fishini]

Ernie Ernie Ernie, on Feb 1 2008, 06:51 PM, said:

Comsiderably Fish? He wasn't getting a game. OK the depth of squad is reduced but in all probability for a week only

What give you that idea? Why does he have to wait until after the window closes to bring loan players in? Rooney or Wardy? Rooney scored more in less games Wardy for me may be better to watch but is not a great deal more effective than Larkin and cost £100k

[Spireite-Karl]

fishini, on Feb 1 2008, 06:55 PM, said:

What give you that idea? Why does he have to wait until after the window closes to bring loan players in? Rooney or Wardy? Rooney scored more in less games Wardy for me may be better to watch but is not a great deal more effective than Larkin and cost £100k

So they can play in the playoffs, if we find ourselves in them! Otherwise they'd have to go back to their parent club after the last game!

[fishini]

Spireite-Karl, on Feb 1 2008, 07:13 PM, said:

So they can play in the playoffs, if we find ourselves in them! Otherwise they'd have to go back to their parent club after the last game!

[Wooden Spoon]

fishini, on Feb 1 2008, 06:36 PM, said:

At the end of the day whatever your views are the reality is that through sheer bad management by Rico the the squad is now both smaller and considerably weaker and as such our chances of making the play offs are fast disappearing

We have lost our second top scorer,IMO a mistake, but we dont know who LR has in mind as a replacement.

We are still in the playoffs, and I expect us to maintain our league position around5th/6th/7th.

[Spireite-Karl]

fishini, on Feb 1 2008, 07:15 PM, said:

I know! Sorry fish I've just realised what I typed

I was meant it to read if come the end of the season we are unlucky and drop out of the automatics and find oursleves in the playoffs.

That reads better fish, sorry!

This post has been edited by Spireite-Karl: 01 February 2008 - 08:00 PM