[Tha Knows...]

Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 04:41 PM, said:

I'm not quite sure about him yet. Both my sons have an interest in statistics and haven't sold me on him yet. They told he had prevented goals record of -0.2 per game at Leyton Orient last season and at St Mirren it was -0.4 per game. Apparently, this means he is a poor shot stopper, who concedes more goals than he should, putting him in the bottom 20% of goalkeepers in both League 1 and the Scottish Premiership. He also only saves 56% of shots faced, while Boot averages 68%.

I think we should have Boot as number 1, as he has proven himself as a good quality keeper at this level. Then focus on a number 2, saving any transfer fees for players needed in weaker areas.

The stats, and his popularity in St Mirren and the rumoured fee seem a little incongruous?

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[CFC91]

 Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 04:41 PM, said:

I'm not quite sure about him yet. Both my sons have an interest in statistics and haven't sold me on him yet. They told he had prevented goals record of -0.2 per game at Leyton Orient last season and at St Mirren it was -0.4 per game. Apparently, this means he is a poor shot stopper, who concedes more goals than he should, putting him in the bottom 20% of goalkeepers in both League 1 and the Scottish Premiership. He also only saves 56% of shots faced, while Boot averages 68%.

I think we should have Boot as number 1, as he has proven himself as a good quality keeper at this level. Then focus on a number 2, saving any transfer fees for players needed in weaker areas.

Ask your sons for the stats on Boot. Quite bad according to this article - https://thedeck.news...en-this-summer/

[Westbars Spireite]

 Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 04:41 PM, said:

I'm not quite sure about him yet. Both my sons have an interest in statistics and haven't sold me on him yet. They told he had prevented goals record of -0.2 per game at Leyton Orient last season and at St Mirren it was -0.4 per game. Apparently, this means he is a poor shot stopper, who concedes more goals than he should, putting him in the bottom 20% of goalkeepers in both League 1 and the Scottish Premiership. He also only saves 56% of shots faced, while Boot averages 68%.

I think we should have Boot as number 1, as he has proven himself as a good quality keeper at this level. Then focus on a number 2, saving any transfer fees for players needed in weaker areas.

I wouldn't draw any conclusions from those statistics.

[Siberian Spireite]

St Mirren fans do seem to rate Hemming, looking at Pieandbovril forum. I don’t like the way he wound up the Ayr fans when playing for Killie, but he’s probably grown up since then. Sounds like he’d be good for League Two but coming from Boro, he won’t be on pennies.

[hilly81]

Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 04:41 PM, said:

I'm not quite sure about him yet. Both my sons have an interest in statistics and haven't sold me on him yet. They told he had prevented goals record of -0.2 per game at Leyton Orient last season and at St Mirren it was -0.4 per game. Apparently, this means he is a poor shot stopper, who concedes more goals than he should, putting him in the bottom 20% of goalkeepers in both League 1 and the Scottish Premiership. He also only saves 56% of shots faced, while Boot averages 68%.

I think we should have Boot as number 1, as he has proven himself as a good quality keeper at this level. Then focus on a number 2, saving any transfer fees for players needed in weaker areas.

He’s done nothing of the sort. He’s fine as a number two. If we’re setting our sights on winning the league then we can and need to do much better. Plus he might not be here come the new season anyway.

[twistedspire]

I think boot is a net neutral keeper, over the season he'll probably save you as many points as he costs you in games.
To win a league usually your keeper will earn you 8-10 points.

[gloucestershireblue]

To get out of league two we need a really decent keeper. Boot has done well but we can do better.

[Westbars Spireite]

 gloucestershireblue, on 13 June 2025 - 07:34 PM, said:

To get out of league two we need a really decent keeper. Boot has done well but we can do better.

Seems like we have. If we are paying a decent fee for a player, we won't be doing it lightly.

[Spireite_1969]

CFC91, on 13 June 2025 - 05:42 PM, said:

Ask your sons for the stats on Boot. Quite bad according to this article - https://thedeck.news...en-this-summer/

This is what my eldest has sent me:
Boot vs Hemming
Prevented Goals per game: 0.03 / -0.2
Save %: 68% / 56%
Times coming off line per game: 1.6 / 1.6
Long pass accuracy: 57% / 57%
% of passes being short: 69% / 43%

Essentially, Boot was the better shot stopper, while they were very similar in passing and coming off their line.

His view on the article was that some of the stats that were used to judge Boot (clean sheet % and goals against) are impacted by the defence in front of them. A good group of defenders generally leads to fewer goals conceded, which I don’t think you can argue with. He also added that while he finished 17th in save %, he was much higher when you only factored in goalkeepers that played at least 10 games. He was in the top 20% of league 2 keepers, who played at least 10 games, in terms of save %.

[SpireRam]

 Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 08:14 PM, said:

This is what my eldest has sent me:
Boot vs Hemming
Prevented Goals per game: 0.03 / -0.2
Save %: 68% / 56%
Times coming off line per game: 1.6 / 1.6
Long pass accuracy: 57% / 57%
% of passes being short: 69% / 43%

Essentially, Boot was the better shot stopper, while they were very similar in passing and coming off their line.

His view on the article was that some of the stats that were used to judge Boot (clean sheet % and goals against) are impacted by the defence in front of them. A good group of defenders generally leads to fewer goals conceded, which I don’t think you can argue with. He also added that while he finished 17th in save %, he was much higher when you only factored in goalkeepers that played at least 10 games. He was in the top 20% of league 2 keepers, who played at least 10 games, in terms of save %.

And when I said the other day you can manipulate stats to push your agenda - this is exactly what I meant.

I’d be more than happy with Boot as our #1 next year as I feel there are many other pressing positions to strengthen - especially if it means spending money on them.

I trust Cook and the board to get it right whatever they do, though.

[RichThomps1]

Boot is not yet guaranteed to be here next season anyway

[60s 70s Spireite]

 SpireRam, on 13 June 2025 - 08:36 PM, said:

And when I said the other day you can manipulate stats to push your agenda - this is exactly what I meant.

I’d be more than happy with Boot as our #1 next year as I feel there are many other pressing positions to strengthen - especially if it means spending money on them.

I trust Cook and the board to get it right whatever they do, though.

Boot won’t be number one next season.
Marginal gains needed.

[stainlessstephen]

Everyone - take a step back.

No news is good news.

Crikey, it’s like waiting for Santa on 1 December.

Be patient folks. It’ll come good.

[s42blue]

 stainlessstephen, on 13 June 2025 - 09:13 PM, said:

Everyone - take a step back.

No news is good news.

Crikey, it’s like waiting for Santa on 1 December.

Be patient folks. It’ll come good.

Sensible post 👍

[Mr Mercury]

stainlessstephen, on 13 June 2025 - 09:13 PM, said:

Everyone - take a step back.

No news is good news.

Crikey, it’s like waiting for Santa on 1 December.

Be patient folks. It’ll come good.

Didn’t you used to have Christmas Eve, eve,eve, eve, eve….etc ..etc?

[lindo-spireite]

 Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 08:14 PM, said:

This is what my eldest has sent me:
Boot vs Hemming
Prevented Goals per game: 0.03 / -0.2
Save %: 68% / 56%
Times coming off line per game: 1.6 / 1.6
Long pass accuracy: 57% / 57%
% of passes being short: 69% / 43%

Essentially, Boot was the better shot stopper, while they were very similar in passing and coming off their line.

His view on the article was that some of the stats that were used to judge Boot (clean sheet % and goals against) are impacted by the defence in front of them. A good group of defenders generally leads to fewer goals conceded, which I don’t think you can argue with. He also added that while he finished 17th in save %, he was much higher when you only factored in goalkeepers that played at least 10 games. He was in the top 20% of league 2 keepers, who played at least 10 games, in terms of save %.

Your lads got too much time on his hands

[sixmilliondollardan]

 Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 08:14 PM, said:

This is what my eldest has sent me:
Boot vs Hemming
Prevented Goals per game: 0.03 / -0.2
Save %: 68% / 56%
Times coming off line per game: 1.6 / 1.6
Long pass accuracy: 57% / 57%
% of passes being short: 69% / 43%

Essentially, Boot was the better shot stopper, while they were very similar in passing and coming off their line.

His view on the article was that some of the stats that were used to judge Boot (clean sheet % and goals against) are impacted by the defence in front of them. A good group of defenders generally leads to fewer goals conceded, which I don’t think you can argue with. He also added that while he finished 17th in save %, he was much higher when you only factored in goalkeepers that played at least 10 games. He was in the top 20% of league 2 keepers, who played at least 10 games, in terms of save %.

Those stats don't really tell us anything. Do they take into account the level both keepers played at? Perhaps Hemmings faced higher quality xg shots. He was likely playing against better strikers, is that taken into account? Percentage of passes played: what style do St Mirren play? Do we know? Does his manager tell him to launch it?

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 hilly81, on 13 June 2025 - 10:37 AM, said:

This lad sounds like just what we need but there is no chance we are paying £150k for a keeper in league 2.

Why we made offers as big in January?

[DerbySpireite59]

 The Rev., on 13 June 2025 - 04:05 PM, said:

I believe this has real substance; it's on the St Mirren website, reported as a done deal in the Scottish Sun and as has been pointed out, Wikipedia now shows him as a Chesterfield player. Nothing (as yet) on the 'Boro web-site, so I've phoned an old contact at the Riverside, as a result of which I believe we can expect an official announcement as soon as the contract is signed; I was told "As things stand Zach Hemmings' remains a Middlesborough player, but the club have accepted an offer from Chesterfield for the player"

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Spireite_1969, on 13 June 2025 - 08:14 PM, said:

This is what my eldest has sent me:
Boot vs Hemming
Prevented Goals per game: 0.03 / -0.2
Save %: 68% / 56%
Times coming off line per game: 1.6 / 1.6
Long pass accuracy: 57% / 57%
% of passes being short: 69% / 43%

Essentially, Boot was the better shot stopper, while they were very similar in passing and coming off their line.

His view on the article was that some of the stats that were used to judge Boot (clean sheet % and goals against) are impacted by the defence in front of them. A good group of defenders generally leads to fewer goals conceded, which I don’t think you can argue with. He also added that while he finished 17th in save %, he was much higher when you only factored in goalkeepers that played at least 10 games. He was in the top 20% of league 2 keepers, who played at least 10 games, in terms of save %.

Off at a slight tangent, could you ask him to analyse whether stats imply that he's improved since his transfer from Solihull please?