[The Jolly Friar]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 June 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

It's worse than twenty nineteen.

A pathologically lying narcissist versus a naive protestor surrounded by far too many anti Semites.

Yet now we have a terminally beige personality vacuum versus a temporary amateur with a hard right con-man enjoying an entire TV station as his own personal propaganda platform shouting from the sides.

No wonder the polls are so volatile.

Focussing upon my own party there is growing dissent, though. Of course the usual suspects would have us believe everything revolves around immigration, however feedback following the recent elections said losses were far more centered on economic policies.

Specifically the WFA and benefit removals.

I'd say it's virtually certain these will be addressed, yet, again, done so in a cack-handed manner. Just own the errors. Admit them. Be chuffing honest and put ordinary folk first.

This is in no way a defence of a Starmer my opinion of whom I've already made clear, but being in power means Labour at least have the levers to dictate direction...

Pissed my self laughing. "temporary amateur hard right conman"(Farage). His previous description of Farage and those who vote for him like me remember, was, "rats swimming in sewage" This is innapropriate language from a poster that craves to be seen as respectable and wanting grown up conversations but whose credibilty has long been self trashed beyond repair.

Good to see Two Tier Starmer isn't the only one walking around with Farage living in his head rent free.

This post has been edited by The Jolly Friar: 01 June 2025 - 05:15 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Reeves budget decisions coming home to roost..

https://www.independ...e-b2761534.html

[Wooden Spoon]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 June 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

It's worse than twenty nineteen.

A pathologically lying narcissist versus a naive protestor surrounded by far too many anti Semites.

Yet now we have a terminally beige personality vacuum versus a temporary amateur with a hard right con-man enjoying an entire TV station as his own personal propaganda platform shouting from the sides.

No wonder the polls are so volatile.

Focussing upon my own party there is growing dissent, though. Of course the usual suspects would have us believe everything revolves around immigration, however feedback following the recent elections said losses were far more centered on economic policies.

Specifically the WFA and benefit removals.

I'd say it's virtually certain these will be addressed, yet, again, done so in a cack-handed manner. Just own the errors. Admit them. Be chuffing honest and put ordinary folk first.

This is in no way a defence of a Starmer my opinion of whom I've already made clear, but being in power means Labour at least have the levers to dictate direction...

It’s not that political stuff is so volatile


But when a flotilla of small boats to commemorate the small boats rescued of the BEF - and this is disrupted to deal with the small boats.


What messge does that send?


It says to the people big Britain we will prioritise the small boats over your proud history and says to the traffickers fill your boots because your then
Priority

[Misnomer]

https://www.telegrap...f-keir-starmer/

[dim view]

Misnomer, on 02 June 2025 - 08:12 AM, said:

https://www.telegrap...f-keir-starmer/

Bluddy hell.
We are moving to 'war fighting readiness' only a day after Zelenski wiped out 40 battle planes all over the Russian empire. If Vlad susses that Nato must have known about the plan then it might rile him.
Does anybody know how good Starmer is at war games?
I don't feel safe.

[The Jolly Friar]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 June 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

It's worse than twenty nineteen.

A pathologically lying narcissist versus a naive protestor surrounded by far too many anti Semites.

Yet now we have a terminally beige personality vacuum versus a temporary amateur with a hard right con-man enjoying an entire TV station as his own personal propaganda platform shouting from the sides.

No wonder the polls are so volatile.

Focussing upon my own party there is growing dissent, though. Of course the usual suspects would have us believe everything revolves around immigration, however feedback following the recent elections said losses were far more centered on economic policies.

Specifically the WFA and benefit removals.

I'd say it's virtually certain these will be addressed, yet, again, done so in a cack-handed manner. Just own the errors. Admit them. Be chuffing honest and put ordinary folk first.

This is in no way a defence of a Starmer my opinion of whom I've already made clear, but being in power means Labour at least have the levers to dictate direction...

Oh, I missed this little gem of a gas light.

On the day that Starmer finally loses control of our borders with another 1,200 economic migrants invading our shores and the RNLI providing a continual taxi service and then having to ask fishing boats to help with the swarm, he tells us that mass immigration is not the main concern of the electorate. The lengths some will go to promote the party is beyond belief.

[Burgerman]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 June 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

It's worse than twenty nineteen.

A pathologically lying narcissist versus a naive protestor surrounded by far too many anti Semites.

Yet now we have a terminally beige personality vacuum versus a temporary amateur with a hard right con-man enjoying an entire TV station as his own personal propaganda platform shouting from the sides.

No wonder the polls are so volatile.

Focussing upon my own party there is growing dissent, though. Of course the usual suspects would have us believe everything revolves around immigration, however feedback following the recent elections said losses were far more centered on economic policies.

Specifically the WFA and benefit removals.

I'd say it's virtually certain these will be addressed, yet, again, done so in a cack-handed manner. Just own the errors. Admit them. Be chuffing honest and put ordinary folk first.

This is in no way a defence of a Starmer my opinion of whom I've already made clear, but being in power means Labour at least have the levers to dictate direction...

Chris, are you saying that illegal immigration is not the main reason people switched over to Reform, it was more of a protest vote against WFA and benefit removal? Where exactly is this feedback from and who provided it? The WFA and benefit removal will have influenced some, obviously but I very much doubt their dissent was centered around that. If that was the case then surely the Tories wouldn't have been spanked so hard as well. Your party promised to stop the boats, they made a very big deal about it and invested £millions (well paid the French £millions) and the problem has got worse. There is an abundance of mistrust hovering over your party and rightly so. It looks like they may backtrack on the WFA, do you think that will pull the voters back, away from Reform?

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Burgerman, on 02 June 2025 - 10:19 AM, said:

Chris, are you saying that illegal immigration is not the main reason people switched over to Reform, it was more of a protest vote against WFA and benefit removal? Where exactly is this feedback from and who provided it? The WFA and benefit removal will have influenced some, obviously but I very much doubt their dissent was centered around that. If that was the case then surely the Tories wouldn't have been spanked so hard as well. Your party promised to stop the boats, they made a very big deal about it and invested £millions (well paid the French £millions) and the problem has got worse. There is an abundance of mistrust hovering over your party and rightly so. It looks like they may backtrack on the WFA, do you think that will pull the voters back, away from Reform?

Yes Mark, that's exactly what I'm saying.

Based upon feedback from tens of thousands of canvassers speaking to voters stating WFA and benefit cuts were top of their list when turning on Labour.

I'm honest enough to admit I wasn't one of those party members though, so if you or anyone else on here did doorstep I'll bow to that lived experience.

And if you're wanting me to defend or excuse or even champion the current leadership then you've a long wait.

As previously said I can't and won't...

[Burgerman]

No I’m not wanting you to speak out against the leadership, you’ve been very clear on where you stand on that one.

I just find it really hard to believe that illegal immigration wasn’t in the forefront of peoples motivation to discard your party. To be fair, though, Labour have scored so many own goals it could well be a number of reasons. But this ‘usual suspect’ (as you deem fit to describe me) believes their inability to carry out the promises of stopping the boats had a major impact on the results

This post has been edited by Burgerman: 02 June 2025 - 12:25 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Burgerman, on 02 June 2025 - 12:22 PM, said:

No I’m not wanting you to speak out against the leadership, you’ve been very clear on where you stand on that one.

I just find it really hard to believe that illegal immigration wasn’t in the forefront of peoples motivation to discard your party. To be fair, though, Labour have scored so many own goals it could well be a number of reasons. But this ‘usual suspect’ (as you deem fit to describe me) believes their inability to carry out the promises of stopping the boats had a major impact on the results

My 'usual suspects' referenced Farage and those parroting his rhetoric.

One of which you've made it clear you aren't.

But apologies if you felt insulted by any association..

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 02 June 2025 - 12:49 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Who are the usual suspects who claim everything revolves around immigration? For a start Farage and Reform clearly don’t, neither do I. Talk about “usual rhetoric”…oh the o irony.
I’ve mentioned many things other than immigration, likewise my party.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 02 June 2025 - 01:13 PM

[Mr Mercury]

Another Reeves and Labour success story eh?

A third of businesses in the hospitality sector are now operating at a loss and are on the brink of failure according to a survey compiled throughout May by UKHospitality, the British Beer & Pub Association, the British Institute of Innkeeping, and Hospitality Ulster. That’s a significant 11% increase on the last quarter thanks to the implementation of Reeves’ ‘Awful April’ tax hikes…

Six in ten pubs, restaurants and hotels have already slashed jobs, and nearly two thirds have cut staff hours. Over half have scrapped investment plans, and a staggering 76% have hiked prices just to keep the lights on. The trade bodies have today issued a damning joint statement to Reeves:

“The government seems to be setting itself up to miss its own targets with these most recent cost hikes for the hospitality sector. Hospitality is vital to the UK economy but is under threat from ongoing cost rises, which the April increases have only exacerbated. Jobs are being lost, livelihoods under threat, communities are set to lose precious assets and consumers are experiencing price rises when wallets are already feeling the pinch. The Government must act urgently to mitigate for the changes to Employer NICs and also deliver on its promise of root and brand Business Rates reform.”

[Misnomer]

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/cvg7567nx6yo

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury, on 02 June 2025 - 01:11 PM, said:

Who are the usual suspects who claim everything revolves around immigration? For a start Farage and Reform clearly don’t, neither do I. Talk about “usual rhetoric”…oh the o irony.
I’ve mentioned many things other than immigration, likewise my party.

It’s everything. U turns on just about everything.

It would be easier to say what do Starmers Labour Party stand for and what have labour got right and start from there.

So far, I’d say limited success on dealing with the orange menace and his economic chaos. After that I’m struggling.

[Wooden Spoon]

 The Jolly Friar, on 01 June 2025 - 05:14 PM, said:

Pissed my self laughing. "temporary amateur hard right conman"(Farage). His previous description of Farage and those who vote for him like me remember, was, "rats swimming in sewage" This is innapropriate language from a poster that craves to be seen as respectable and wanting grown up conversations but whose credibilty has long been self trashed beyond repair.

Good to see Two Tier Starmer isn't the only one walking around with Farage living in his head rent free.

The temporary but is kemi

[Spire-ite]

Mr Mercury, on 02 June 2025 - 05:23 PM, said:

Another Reeves and Labour success story eh?

A third of businesses in the hospitality sector are now operating at a loss and are on the brink of failure according to a survey compiled throughout May by UKHospitality, the British Beer & Pub Association, the British Institute of Innkeeping, and Hospitality Ulster. That’s a significant 11% increase on the last quarter thanks to the implementation of Reeves’ ‘Awful April’ tax hikes…

Six in ten pubs, restaurants and hotels have already slashed jobs, and nearly two thirds have cut staff hours. Over half have scrapped investment plans, and a staggering 76% have hiked prices just to keep the lights on. The trade bodies have today issued a damning joint statement to Reeves:

“The government seems to be setting itself up to miss its own targets with these most recent cost hikes for the hospitality sector. Hospitality is vital to the UK economy but is under threat from ongoing cost rises, which the April increases have only exacerbated. Jobs are being lost, livelihoods under threat, communities are set to lose precious assets and consumers are experiencing price rises when wallets are already feeling the pinch. The Government must act urgently to mitigate for the changes to Employer NICs and also deliver on its promise of root and brand Business Rates reform.”

I see the Hidden Knight (old Welbeck) in town closed its doors on Saturday night for the last time. Citing Rachel from accounts abacus budget!

[Mr Mercury]

Spire-ite, on 03 June 2025 - 03:20 PM, said:

I see the Hidden Knight (old Welbeck) in town closed its doors on Saturday night for the last time. Citing Rachel from accounts abacus budget!

I’m sure the liar that is Starmer, during his disastrous attempt to skewer Farage last week, you know the one were he ended up being totally humiliated by the press, both left and right, mentioned cheaper mortgages for the fabled “working people”….
Maybe not the case eh?

'Death by 1,000 increases': Three major lenders push mortgage rates up
Three major lenders have pushed mortgage rates up in the past 24 hours.
Halifax, Accord and Santander all hiked rates slightly as swap rates - which are used to determine how much it costs banks to borrow in order to lend - increased and hopes of further Bank of England base rate cuts receded.
Halifax increased rates on selected two, three and five-year products by up to 0.16%.
Accord put rates up by as much as 0.15%, and Santander by as much as 0.1%.
"It seems to be a case of death by 1,000 increases in the mortgage market at present. Lenders are slowly but surely reversing their recent rate cuts in response to rising swap rates," Andrew Montlake, chief executive at mortgage broker firm Coreco, said.
"In a capricious market such as this, it pays to act quickly and lock into a rate first to ensure you get the home of your dreams rather than trying to play the market and risk everything," he said in comments supplied to Money by Newspage.
Justin Moy, managing director at EHF Mortgages, warned that other mainstream lenders would inevitably follow with more hikes.
"Though these are smallish rate increases in the main, high street lenders pricing mortgages on wafer-thin margins and wobbles in the swap market will be passed on to borrowers within a few days," he said.
"No one lender will want to be cheapest, and therefore attract too much business."

[Mr Mercury]

It seems Nigel Farage was in Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse yesterday campaigning on the streets for Thursdays by election.

Keir Starmer was in Scotland but refused to visit the constituency.

That really says it all, doesn't it. One leader happy to meet voters and engage with them, the other just a total coward if it’s not a pre structured photo op.

Labour has given up - it's now Ross Lambie or the SNP.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: Yesterday, 04:05 PM

[Spire-ite]

Mr Mercury, on 03 June 2025 - 04:01 PM, said:

It seems Nigel Farage was in Hamilton, Larkhall and Stonehouse yesterday campaigning on the streets for Thursdays by election.

Keir Starmer was in Scotland but refused to visit the constituency.

That really says it all, doesn't it. One leader happy to meet voters and engage with them, the other just a total coward if it’s not a pre structured photo op.

Labour has given up - it's now Ross Lambie or the SNP.

Altogether now… https://www.facebook...75321662262128/

[Wooden Spoon]

 Mr Mercury, on 03 June 2025 - 04:01 PM, said:

Labour has given up - it's now Ross Lambie or the SNP.

It’s pretty bad - less than a year after winning a land slide.