[The Jolly Friar]

calvin plummers socks, on 12 May 2025 - 10:11 AM, said:

Not a lot to debate though!
Some great talking by Starmer this morning - already doing more to sort out immigration in a few months with some proper adult planning than all those years of the previous regime

Deluded or just winding people up? Starmer forced to go live and talk about migration as a result of Reform's tremendous success and a percetage vote, if sustained, that would sweep them into government at a general election.

So what do we get, or more significantly, what dont we get?

No policy about illegals
No policy stopping the boats.
No policy about growing dissonance in communities now going rural.
A refusal to leave the ECHR.
An admittance that smashing the gangs is not working because the legislation needs to be stronger.
A refusal to admit that tens of thousands of Indians are set to add to our already over populated country who will not pay NI for three years therefore undercutting the indigenous workforce.
The ridiculous notion that tens of thousands of illegals will be welcome to settle here if they get a degree.

but we do get

A move to the right picking up Reform policy about banning woke judges who work for pro migration outfits.

All this from a man who, not long ago, welcomed open borders, migrants in their tens of thousands telling us they would boost our economy, they haven't, they are making us poorer.

[calvin plummers socks]

 The Jolly Friar, on 12 May 2025 - 12:42 PM, said:

Deluded or just winding people up? Starmer forced to go live and talk about migration as a result of Reform's tremendous success and a percetage vote, if sustained, that would sweep them into government at a general election.

So what do we get, or more significantly, what dont we get?

No policy about illegals
No policy stopping the boats.
No policy about growing dissonance in communities now going rural.
A refusal to leave the ECHR.
An admittance that smashing the gangs is not working because the legislation needs to be stronger.
A refusal to admit that tens of thousands of Indians are set to add to our already over populated country who will not pay NI for three years therefore undercutting the indigenous workforce.
The ridiculous notion that tens of thousands of illegals will be welcome to settle here if they get a degree.

but we do get

A move to the right picking up Reform policy about banning woke judges who work for pro migration outfits.

All this from a man who, not long ago, welcomed open borders, migrants in their tens of thousands telling us they would boost our economy, they haven't, they are making us poorer.

Agree he’s gone over to the right a bit - but I guess he had to.

The open borders policy though was the Tory one a one that championed was back in 2013 if you recall?

It’s actually good to see they have planned this and not rushed into it as could have been done to win some cheap support- what is needed is a proper adult policy which has been planned and not just lip service or cheap rhetoric like the Tories did and Reform always use.

You surely welcome this?

[isleaiw1]

calvin plummers socks, on 12 May 2025 - 12:31 PM, said:

Yeah but Terry the plumber who has just become a councillor’cos he hates Muslims says he’s gonna sort it

If they take legal action about asylum seekers being housed in hotels in their jurisdiction then does that constitute doing something about the problem (even if only moving it elsewhere)?

And therefore would Reform not have fulfilled their mainfesto promise.

On Starmers solution to migration, he is apparently going to stop "low skilled" care workers getting a visa and retraining some of the millions not working to do it as it only takes a couple of weeks training. Maybe what is the wrong with the care system is that those in power really dont understand and value it?

[turrhall]

 Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 12:23 PM, said:

I asked ChatGPT

Goku, I think you have some of best politics on here (not hard, but that is a compliment) but this is quite embarrassing.

[Goku]

turrhall, on 12 May 2025 - 01:37 PM, said:

Goku, I think you have some of best politics on here (not hard, but that is a compliment) but this is quite embarrassing.

How come? I find it really helpful but I expect you're about to educate me

[turrhall]

 Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 01:44 PM, said:

How come? I find it really helpful but I expect you're about to educate me

Burning down the rainforests to use a service that regurgitates (often incorrect) information back to you when you could just look it up yourself, to the benefit of like 6 multi billionaires is just bad and anti-intellectual imo.

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 12 May 2025 - 01:44 PM, said:

How come? I find it really helpful but I expect you're about to educate me

The only people not using some form of AI now are the ones who havent realised how powerful it is....

Your politics is rubbish though

[Mr Mercury]

Starmers big speech this morning was yet more evidence that him and his advisors just don’t get it. Nothing about the boats at all, no plan to stop them as another 400 illegals land this morning.
They’re either as thick as pig muck or it’s by design.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: Today, 02:33 PM

[Spire-ite]

Mr Mercury, on 12 May 2025 - 02:33 PM, said:

Starmers big speech this morning was yet more evidence that him and his advisors just don’t get it. Nothing about the boats at all, no plan to stop them as another 400 illegals land this morning.
They’re either as thick as pig muck or it’s by design.

You are correct on both counts. They are as thick as shit, and yes it's by design.