[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 09 May 2025 - 10:50 AM, said:

I was reading about how when Labour were in opposition they pledged to increase research & development to 3.5% of GDP which I'm lead to believe drives the value add end of the economy, so is incredibly important. Now they're in power, they've only announced £13.9B for R&D which is a real-terms cut due to inflation. Plus, they've cut UK research and innovation. So, it seems we'll just stagnate unless something drastic changes.

We're happy, however, to spend billion after billion on the elderly. Pensioners basically have most countries in Europe in a headlock. Look at the farcical, pearl-clutching screeching exhibited by most of the country when Labour decided to means test the WFP. Imagine if we did what we actually need to do and scrap the triple lock. It needs doing, but nobody can do it because they'd be destroyed at the polling booth. So we'll continue our death spiral.

Speaking broadly, pensioners irritate and block (which costs money) at every opportunity via their NIMBY-ism to stop the country from developing. They stop house prices from reducing. They are the most selfish voting cohort - the experts at pulling the ladder up behind them.

And as such, we must eliminate them all.

The trile lock is of minor expense compared to the true cost of public sector pensions... add those to your crusade please.

If house prices fall then everyone will feel worse off who already has a house. That affects confidence and that affects spending. Lots would walk away as they would be in negative equity which would affect the banking sector. And of course house prices are falling in real terms as they are not rising as quickly as general inflation of pay these days...

One of the biggest issues is too many people not working or not wanting to progress and earn more and therefore pay more in. That could be students at uni, old folk who want to work but are overlooked due to ageism, or just the ridiculous tax system that means if you have kids at nursery you are better off earning £99k than £130k...

Lots of issues beyond just the triple lock, and a chunk of them fall at the door of your generation (and my kids, I include them in this..)

[isleaiw1]

Goku, on 09 May 2025 - 11:41 AM, said:

Labour have protected jobs which were under threat due to the actions of Orange Man. From what I can tell, it's probably the best they could've done given the country's position and we haven't conceded much. Nothing like Johnson's Australia deal which was mocked on telly down under and was entirely one way. As usual, your anti-Labour bias means you can't see the wood through the trees despite your professed centrism. Don't worry; you're in fine company. Plenty for you to go at Labour with, this isn't one of them.

It may well be the best we could get, but Starmer cannot claim it as victory. The orange one has done him over and the Chinese will probably get a better more balanced deal than us...

Anti politicians by the way, they are all rubbish. The sad thing is that this lot arent any better than the last and they were the worst ever...

They started well - we need change. And all they have done is tinker round the edges...

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 09 May 2025 - 11:57 AM, said:

They started well - we need change. And all they have done is tinker round the edges...

Now that we do agree on

[Burgerman]

Goku, on 09 May 2025 - 10:50 AM, said:

Speaking broadly, pensioners irritate and block (which costs money) at every opportunity via their NIMBY-ism to stop the country from developing. They stop house prices from reducing. They are the most selfish voting cohort - the experts at pulling the ladder up behind them.

And as such, we must eliminate them all.

Can you provide links please to back this up?

[Goku]

 Burgerman, on 09 May 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Can you provide links please to back this up?

Probably, but not right now xxx

[Mr Mercury]

So is it a good deal or not?


Jonathan Reynolds on 7 April: no US deal is worth it if the 10% tariffs stay.

Jonathan Reynolds yesterday: It’s a great deal!

The man who didn’t realise for 20 years that he wasn’t a qualified solicitor is now running Britain’s global trade 😐

God help us.

[Goku]

 Burgerman, on 09 May 2025 - 01:45 PM, said:

Can you provide links please to back this up?

From Gemini:

The average age of a NIMBY tends to be older, with some studies showing a mean age around 61.6 years.

More details:
- A study by Taylor & Francis Online found that respondents in their research tended to be older, with a mean age of 61.6 years.
- Bloomberg reported that people aged 56-65 were most likely to actively oppose new projects in their communities.
- While older individuals may be more likely to be NIMBYs, younger people, particularly those in the 21-45 age range, are more likely to actively support projects.
- The Telegraph points out a growing "age divide" in areas, with some areas becoming more populated by older residents and others by younger residents, potentially leading to differing views on development.

In terms of pulling up the ladder:

- Bought houses when prices were low (as anybody would) but often oppose new housing developments thus limiting supply
- Attended uni for free or for minimal fees then voted for tuition fees
- Triple lock is a farce as I’ve explained several times but they would never let that go, rather bankrupt the country than face the truth
- Voted for Brexit which knocked 4% off our long term productivity and made it so that by 2023, our economy was £140 billion smaller than it would be had the coffin dodgers not overwhelmingly voted for it and the average Brit was £2k worse off per year.

[isleaiw1]

 Goku, on 10 May 2025 - 06:48 AM, said:

From Gemini:

The average age of a NIMBY tends to be older, with some studies showing a mean age around 61.6 years.

More details:
- A study by Taylor & Francis Online found that respondents in their research tended to be older, with a mean age of 61.6 years.
- Bloomberg reported that people aged 56-65 were most likely to actively oppose new projects in their communities.
- While older individuals may be more likely to be NIMBYs, younger people, particularly those in the 21-45 age range, are more likely to actively support projects.
- The Telegraph points out a growing "age divide" in areas, with some areas becoming more populated by older residents and others by younger residents, potentially leading to differing views on development.

In terms of pulling up the ladder:

- Bought houses when prices were low (as anybody would) but often oppose new housing developments thus limiting supply
- Attended uni for free or for minimal fees then voted for tuition fees
- Triple lock is a farce as I’ve explained several times but they would never let that go, rather bankrupt the country than face the truth
- Voted for Brexit which knocked 4% off our long term productivity and made it so that by 2023, our economy was £140 billion smaller than it would be had the coffin dodgers not overwhelmingly voted for it and the average Brit was £2k worse off per year.

Don't forget benefitted from final salary pension schemes giving them security fir life whereas young people don't (unless they are in the public sector)

Of course we did manage to go to work every day not toss it off at home, and we didn't expect to carry around a thousand pound plus computer, have multiple holidays abroad, managed with a stag night not a stag weekend, and probably only had one income as mum stayed at home with the kids...

Progress comes in all shapes and sizes and not all of it benefits the old folk.

On the uni fees, we didn't get loans for living costs either, it was parental support which meant many couldn't go and many chose not to go. And of course large chunks of those who go today will never repay their loan. Which has to be better than your parents paying then?

[Misnomer]

 Goku, on 10 May 2025 - 06:48 AM, said:

From Gemini:

The average age of a NIMBY tends to be older, with some studies showing a mean age around 61.6 years.

More details:
- A study by Taylor & Francis Online found that respondents in their research tended to be older, with a mean age of 61.6 years.
- Bloomberg reported that people aged 56-65 were most likely to actively oppose new projects in their communities.
- While older individuals may be more likely to be NIMBYs, younger people, particularly those in the 21-45 age range, are more likely to actively support projects.
- The Telegraph points out a growing "age divide" in areas, with some areas becoming more populated by older residents and others by younger residents, potentially leading to differing views on development.

In terms of pulling up the ladder:

- Bought houses when prices were low (as anybody would) but often oppose new housing developments thus limiting supply
- Attended uni for free or for minimal fees then voted for tuition fees
- Triple lock is a farce as I’ve explained several times but they would never let that go, rather bankrupt the country than face the truth
- Voted for Brexit which knocked 4% off our long term productivity and made it so that by 2023, our economy was £140 billion smaller than it would be had the coffin dodgers not overwhelmingly voted for it and the average Brit was £2k worse off per year.

Good on 'em. I can't wait to be like that. Retire at 67, then what...10 more functional years, wowwww, big fkin deal. Eyes go, hearing goes, brain goes, body decays, muscle atrophy, partner dies and you probably end up nursing them through their decline, people forget about you....you have your house and garden to care for, so that becomes your sanctuary, the more and more isolated you become.

Paid into the system all your life, for what? So your money can be spaffed on bollox you weren't consulted on.

I hope they all enjoy what's left of their lives, and fúck everyone else.

[fishini]

 Goku, on 10 May 2025 - 06:48 AM, said:

From Gemini:

The average age of a NIMBY tends to be older, with some studies showing a mean age around 61.6 years.

More details:
- A study by Taylor & Francis Online found that respondents in their research tended to be older, with a mean age of 61.6 years.
- Bloomberg reported that people aged 56-65 were most likely to actively oppose new projects in their communities.
- While older individuals may be more likely to be NIMBYs, younger people, particularly those in the 21-45 age range, are more likely to actively support projects.
- The Telegraph points out a growing "age divide" in areas, with some areas becoming more populated by older residents and others by younger residents, potentially leading to differing views on development.

In terms of pulling up the ladder:

- Bought houses when prices were low (as anybody would) but often oppose new housing developments thus limiting supply
- Attended uni for free or for minimal fees then voted for tuition fees
- Triple lock is a farce as I’ve explained several times but they would never let that go, rather bankrupt the country than face the truth
- Voted for Brexit which knocked 4% off our long term productivity and made it so that by 2023, our economy was £140 billion smaller than it would be had the coffin dodgers not overwhelmingly voted for it and the average Brit was £2k worse off per year.

Jealousy is an awful emotion

[Goku]

Seems like some people don’t like facts

[isleaiw1]

fishini, on 10 May 2025 - 10:33 AM, said:

Jealousy is an awful emotion

But intergenerational inequality is a thing. Some will be sorted through familial gifts and inheritance but this will be the first generation in a long time to be less well off than the one before. Is that acceptable - or as a socialist dont you think we should be doing something to address it...

Interesting that you make that comment when you are the one in the positive position but presumably would love to tax much more those with lots of money - which may also be deemed to be driven by jealousy?

[azul]

Goku, on 10 May 2025 - 06:48 AM, said:

From Gemini:

The average age of a NIMBY tends to be older, with some studies showing a mean age around 61.6 years.

More details:
- A study by Taylor & Francis Online found that respondents in their research tended to be older, with a mean age of 61.6 years.
- Bloomberg reported that people aged 56-65 were most likely to actively oppose new projects in their communities.
- While older individuals may be more likely to be NIMBYs, younger people, particularly those in the 21-45 age range, are more likely to actively support projects.
- The Telegraph points out a growing "age divide" in areas, with some areas becoming more populated by older residents and others by younger residents, potentially leading to differing views on development.

In terms of pulling up the ladder:

- Bought houses when prices were low (as anybody would) but often oppose new housing developments thus limiting supply
- Attended uni for free or for minimal fees then voted for tuition fees
[/b]- Triple lock is a farce as I’ve explained several times but they would never let that go, rather bankrupt the country than face the truth
- Voted for Brexit which knocked 4% off our long term productivity and made it so that by 2023, our economy was £140 billion smaller than it would be had the coffin dodgers not overwhelmingly voted for it and the average Brit was £2k worse off per year.

It wasn't just getting to university free it was even better than that! We got paid to go to university. In fact because I went as a mature student and had paid taxes and NI I got double the grant a normal student got.

This post has been edited by azul: Yesterday, 11:05 AM

[Burgerman]

 Goku, on 10 May 2025 - 06:48 AM, said:

From Gemini:

The average age of a NIMBY tends to be older, with some studies showing a mean age around 61.6 years.

More details:
- A study by Taylor & Francis Online found that respondents in their research tended to be older, with a mean age of 61.6 years.
- Bloomberg reported that people aged 56-65 were most likely to actively oppose new projects in their communities.
- While older individuals may be more likely to be NIMBYs, younger people, particularly those in the 21-45 age range, are more likely to actively support projects.
- The Telegraph points out a growing "age divide" in areas, with some areas becoming more populated by older residents and others by younger residents, potentially leading to differing views on development.

In terms of pulling up the ladder:

- Bought houses when prices were low (as anybody would) but often oppose new housing developments thus limiting supply
- Attended uni for free or for minimal fees then voted for tuition fees
- Triple lock is a farce as I’ve explained several times but they would never let that go, rather bankrupt the country than face the truth
- Voted for Brexit which knocked 4% off our long term productivity and made it so that by 2023, our economy was £140 billion smaller than it would be had the coffin dodgers not overwhelmingly voted for it and the average Brit was £2k worse off per year.

There is absolutely nothing factual here. You have selected opinion that suits your own.

Did buy my house cheap? Well yeah by today’s standard. I paid £44k in a nice area but rented it out for a good few years until I finished my service. It’s now worth over 5x what I paid for it, is that my fault? Point worth noting that whilst renting it out, the younger the family the more my property was abused and more major repairs had to be carried out. They had a sense of entitlement to do as they wished as they paid rent.

We have some excellent new housing developments here in Tapton, not the type of houses I would live in but excellent for families. None of these developments were objected to I believe apart from one where the councillors sold off allotments. I think the only objection I have made was with regard to Tapton House which is well documented on here.

Your opinion is based on your own jealousy and ignorance. Say what you like but you are an ageist, you crack jokes about it to cover your dislike of older people. When you get old, you yourself will retire someday and you will reap the benefits of a full working life. You shouldn’t have to be on the breadline because of what you will have contributed over 50 years of paying taxes. You too will deserve some dignity and there will be some ignorant, young scrotum sack who will be jealous of you and the fact they have to pay taxes to support you. Some younger people will respect you for what you have contributed to society over your life.

You tar everyone with the same brush because of your bigotry. You have no appreciation of what struggles these older people you dislike so much have been through, they’re the same struggles as the younger generation are going through now. It’s just that back in the day they got on with it and fought for what was right, stood up for what they believed in instead of crying about it and blaming everyone else. Has there been a General Strike in your lifetime?

[Johnnyspireite7]

Burgerman, on 10 May 2025 - 11:42 AM, said:

There is absolutely nothing factual here. You have selected opinion that suits your own.

Did buy my house cheap? Well yeah by today's standard. I paid £44k in a nice area but rented it out for a good few years until I finished my service. It's now worth over 5x what I paid for it, is that my fault? Point worth noting that whilst renting it out, the younger the family the more my property was abused and more major repairs had to be carried out. They had a sense of entitlement to do as they wished as they paid rent.

We have some excellent new housing developments here in Tapton, not the type of houses I would live in but excellent for families. None of these developments were objected to I believe apart from one where the councillors sold off allotments. I think the only objection I have made was with regard to Tapton House which is well documented on here.

Your opinion is based on your own jealousy and ignorance. Say what you like but you are an ageist, you crack jokes about it to cover your dislike of older people. When you get old, you yourself will retire someday and you will reap the benefits of a full working life. You shouldn't have to be on the breadline because of what you will have contributed over 50 years of paying taxes. You too will deserve some dignity and there will be some ignorant, young scrotum sack who will be jealous of you and the fact they have to pay taxes to support you. Some younger people will respect you for what you have contributed to society over your life.

You tar everyone with the same brush because of your bigotry. You have no appreciation of what struggles these older people you dislike so much have been through, they're the same struggles as the younger generation are going through now. It's just that back in the day they got on with it and fought for what was right, stood up for what they believed in instead of crying about it and blaming everyone else. Has there been a General Strike in your lifetime?

Only if you are over 99..last General Strike here in the UK was 1926!

[Westbars Spireite]

 Johnnyspireite7, on 10 May 2025 - 12:00 PM, said:

Only if you are over 99..last General Strike here in the UK was 1926!

Azul remembers it well.

[Burgerman]

 Johnnyspireite7, on 10 May 2025 - 12:00 PM, said:

Only if you are over 99..last General Strike here in the UK was 1926!

My apologies, I used the wrong term delete General insert Major national. Even so, it’s these 99 year olds he wants to freeze and starve. 99 is old.

[Goku]

Not remotely interested in your personal anecdotes, I am speaking in broad strokes, not everybody will fit into the generalisations being made. Not saying it’s your fault for buying a house cheap and it appreciating in value either, absolutely mental how you’d infer that from what I wrote.

Not jealous in the slightest, just looking at facts and forming a conclusion. The country is in a death spiral for several reasons and one of those reasons is the farcical triple lock, that doesn’t mean I hate old farts like you, I’m just not going to bury my head in the sand like the majority of this foolish country and pretend it’s not an albatross around our nation’s neck. That doesn’t mean I want no support for pensioners, I want them to live their lives out with dignity… just not at the cost of us moving forward as a country, so they, as the richest cohort, should make sacrifices like everyone else has to. And yes, I know that not every pensioner is well-off - I’ll state that now as I’m sure you’ll purposely misunderstand what I’ve written. Means testing it is above my pay grade but summat needs to be done, except it won’t be done, because as I said, everyone cried when the WFP got means-tested (even though nowt bad happened) so no party will ever be able to touch the triple lock. Thus the death spiral continues.

Re. tarring everyone with the same brush, unfortunately your pitiful reading comprehension has reared its ugly head once more. Talking in broad strokes does not equal tarring everyone with the same brush. Really hope you can figure that out some time soon. As for crying about it, as I said above, you were all fucking bawling when your WFP became means tested 🤣 making out like Starmer was Hitler, yeah proper stiff upper lip stuff that 👍🏻

[Goku]

 Burgerman, on 10 May 2025 - 12:08 PM, said:

My apologies, I used the wrong term delete General insert Major national. Even so, it’s these 99 year olds he wants to freeze and starve. 99 is old.

Farcical hyperbole, shows how weak your entire argument is.

[Burgerman]

 Goku, on 10 May 2025 - 12:15 PM, said:

Not remotely interested in your personal anecdotes, I am speaking in broad strokes, not everybody will fit into the generalisations being made. Not saying it’s your fault for buying a house cheap and it appreciating in value either, absolutely mental how you’d infer that from what I wrote.

Not jealous in the slightest, just looking at facts and forming a conclusion. The country is in a death spiral for several reasons and one of those reasons is the farcical triple lock, that doesn’t mean I hate old farts like you, I’m just not going to bury my head in the sand like the majority of this foolish country and pretend it’s not an albatross around our nation’s neck. That doesn’t mean I want no support for pensioners, I want them to live their lives out with dignity… just not at the cost of us moving forward as a country, so they, as the richest cohort, should make sacrifices like everyone else has to. And yes, I know that not every pensioner is well-off - I’ll state that now as I’m sure you’ll purposely misunderstand what I’ve written. Means testing it is above my pay grade but summat needs to be done, except it won’t be done, because as I said, everyone cried when the WFP got means-tested (even though nowt bad happened) so no party will ever be able to touch the triple lock. Thus the death spiral continues.

Re. tarring everyone with the same brush, unfortunately your pitiful reading comprehension has reared its ugly head once more. Talking in broad strokes does not equal tarring everyone with the same brush. Really hope you can figure that out some time soon. As for crying about it, as I said above, you were all fucking bawling when your WFP became means tested 🤣 making out like Starmer was Hitler, yeah proper stiff upper lip stuff that 👍🏻

Boo hoo xxx