[isleaiw1]

 fishini, on 08 May 2025 - 12:44 PM, said:

So you want it to hurt oldies as you call them? Strange what makes some happy

No it's a joke with Goku as he hates pensioners. I am in the oldest group so want to be looked after wonderfully!

[isleaiw1]

 Goku, on 08 May 2025 - 12:59 PM, said:

This from the i:



And yep, I'm on a tracker now

Anyway, the Labour party are coming back from the dead. It's a long 4 years and things can change in politics in mere days. Improved relations with the EU are inevitable. Here's to the sunny uplands folks!

Doesn't that mean he is taking off the tariffs he has just imposed and we are removing ones that previously existed - just as he wants...

Tracker? Surely a financially literate youngsters like yourself can see the risk mgt benefits of a longer term fix? Think I am on a 5 year fix at 3.7%, started last year, which means I pay less interest on my mortgage than I do on my savings (hence I have both!)

[Mr Mercury]

Mandelson and Starmer givingTrump a major love in, Trump smashing this.
Makes a mockery of some claims that the US under Trump had become an adversary rather than an ally that we saw spouted on here just a few short weeks ago.
Didn’t seem like Starmer and Co saw them as that today did it?

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 08 May 2025 - 03:36 PM

[Search & Destroy]

EU must be triggered over this

[Mr Mercury]

Search & Destroy, on 08 May 2025 - 03:22 PM, said:

EU must be triggered over this

Brexit mate…the long game.

[dim view]

Mr Mercury, on 08 May 2025 - 03:18 PM, said:

Mandelson and Starmer givingTrump a major love in, Trump smashing this.
Makes a mockery of some claims that the US under Trump had become an adversary rather than an ally that we saw spouted on here just a few short weeks ago.
Didn’t seem like Starmer and Co saw them as that today did it?

So, does Starmer now agree that Trumpian Tariff Theory makes sound economic sense after all?

I can't see how any other conclusion is possible after listening to him. I wonder if The Earl agrees?

[Mr Mercury]

I’d imagine Starmers a bit miffed with the old chaps in the Vatican electing a new Pontiff just a cpl of hours after his big moment in Trumps shadow, that’s now been replaced by wall to wall papal pontificating, if you will!

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 08 May 2025 - 04:46 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

 dim view, on 08 May 2025 - 03:57 PM, said:

So, does Starmer now agree that Trumpian Tariff Theory makes sound economic sense after all?

I can't see how any other conclusion is possible after listening to him. I wonder if The Earl agrees?

In football parlance, you can only play what’s in front of you. And we have the most aggressive America first isolationist regime ever.


Starmer is dealing with someone who isn’t a politician and isn’t a diplomat but a ruthless businessman who wants to make money.


I’d say it’s better to play along for the next 3 1/2 years and limit the damage rather than get into a tit for tat tariffs war.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Brexit hurt the UK.

Badly.

It continues to hurt the UK.

Very badly

In terms of both the economy and social cohesion.

But only the worst kind of fool would deny the Indian agreement could've happened without it.

In the same way only the worst kind of fool would deny that deal delivers desperately needed post Brexit billions.

Or continue focusing on lies surrounding sequestered employees who, in fact, will still be subject to the taxation rates of their own country and pay the NHS premium whilst here.

To the point even high gurus of Brexit such as Rees-Mogg, Hannan and a succession of their ilk have seconded it's signing.

And now this government has reached an understanding with the US.

Not Johnson, not Sunak and certainly not Farage.

Or for that matter the Badenoch still remembered for the Australian contract which left antipodean commentators openly laughing at how biased it was in their favour.

This Labour government.

Led by the staunchly anti Brexit Starmer.

The irony is staggering.

It's true this treaty, at face value anyway, only mitigates damage inflicted by the marmalade Mussolini's madness. A sticking plaster over an axe wound. It's also true Trump's word is worth turd. After all, it was him trashing the very terms he'd trumpeted with Canada and Mexico that's led to the current chaos.

Meanwhile we wait to see if Starmer's talk of retaining "red lines" in terms agricultural standards or NHS contracts or those who'd inflict an on-line free for all upon us isn't equally worthless.

Both parties needed a 'win', though. A beleaguered British PM and president realising all his bombastic bluff and bluster wasn't bullying the globe into submission as expected.

I wish Brexit hadn't happened.

I wish Trump hadn't happened.

Hell, I'm increasingly wishing Starmer's last nine months hadn't happened.

However this is the real world not a wish world, and we can only welcome anything that benefits British people..

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 08 May 2025 - 06:49 PM

[isleaiw1]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 08 May 2025 - 06:41 PM, said:

Brexit hurt the UK.

Badly.

It continues to hurt the UK.

Very badly

In terms of both the economy and social cohesion.

But only the worst kind of fool would deny the Indian agreement would've happened without it.

In the same way only the worst kind of fool would deny that deal benefits us to the tune of desperately needed post Brexit billions.

Or continue focusing on lies surrounding sequestered employees who, in fact, will still be subject to the taxation rates of their own country and pay the NHS premium whilst here.

To the point even high gurus of Brexit such as Rees-Mogg, Hannan and a succession of their ilk have seconded the signing.

And now this government has reached an understanding with the US.

Not Johnson, not Sunak and certainly not Farage.

Or for that matter the Badenoch still remembered for the Australian contract which left antipodean commentators openly laughing at how biased it was in their favour.

This Labour government.

Led by the staunchly anti Brexit Starmer.

The irony is staggering.

It's true this treaty, at face value anyway, only mitigates damage inflicted by the marmalade Mussolini's madness. A sticking plaster over an axe wound. It's also true Trump's word is worth turd. After all, it was him trashing the very terms he'd trumpeted with Canada and Mexico that's led to the current chaos.

Meanwhile we wait to see if Starmer's talk of retaining "red lines" in terms agricultural standards or NHS contracts or those who'd inflict an on-line free for all upon us isn't equally worthless.

Both parties needed a 'win', though. A beleaguered British PM and president realising all his bombastic bluff and bluster wasn't bullying the globe into submission as expected.

I wish Brexit hadn't happened.

I wish Trump hadn't happened.

Hell, I'm increasingly wishing Starmer's last nine months hadn't happened.

However this is the real world not a wish world, and we can only welcome anything that benefits British people..

Too many words there, can you do a summary... On the tariffs, we have a deal that according to Robert Peston the new world is better than a month ago and worse than 2 months ago. But Labour are selling it as a win. They presumably are saying that the fall in productivity in the public sector in 2024 is a good thing... to add to the drop since pre covid...even though it isnt!

Lets not celebrate anything that isnt great. Its better than nowt, in the same way your kids would be happy with an apple and orange for xmas these days...

Edit to summarise for Chris- this one is about the same as the Australian deal. Better for America than us.Oops

This post has been edited by isleaiw1: 08 May 2025 - 06:47 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

 isleaiw1, on 08 May 2025 - 06:46 PM, said:

Too many words there, can you do a summary... On the tariffs, we have a deal that according to Robert Peston the new world is better than a month ago and worse than 2 months ago. But Labour are selling it as a win. They presumably are saying that the fall in productivity in the public sector in 2024 is a good thing... to add to the drop since pre covid...even though it isnt!

Lets not celebrate anything that isnt great. Its better than nowt, in the same way your kids would be happy with an apple and orange for xmas these days...

Edit to summarise for Chris- this one is about the same as the Australian deal. Better for America than us.Oops

Better than America than us,but better than no deal at all which is what the EU are looking at right now

In 3 1:2 years the orange menace will be gone.


You can only play what’s in front of you and Starmer has done some really good work in damage limitation IMO

[Misnomer]

An inspection of the police response to the public disorder in July and August 2024.

On Monday 29 July 2024, three young girls, Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe and Alice Da Silva Aguiar, were killed in a knife attack in Southport. Following these tragic events, widespread unrest and violent disorder broke out in many towns and cities across the UK.


HMICFRS found no conclusive evidence that the 2024 disorder was deliberately premeditated and co-ordinated by any specific group or network. Inspectors said that it was mostly disaffected individuals, influencers or groups that incited people to act violently and take part in disorder, rather than criminal factions or extremists. And it was mainly unrelated to their ideology or political views. The causes of the disorder were complex, but the overwhelming speed and volume of online content further fuelled its spread.

Political policies and decisions on migration and asylum, and decreasing trust in the police. Some of the main reasons for the disorder were social deprivation, austerity and the economic downturn.

Now, I'm sure somebody said: 'we'll call it what it is; far-right thuggery'.....fascists and racists; white terrorists, violent maniacs. 👍🏻

Int that misinformation?

[s42blue]

 Misnomer, on 09 May 2025 - 12:04 AM, said:

An inspection of the police response to the public disorder in July and August 2024.

On Monday 29 July 2024, three young girls, Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe and Alice Da Silva Aguiar, were killed in a knife attack in Southport. Following these tragic events, widespread unrest and violent disorder broke out in many towns and cities across the UK.


HMICFRS found no conclusive evidence that the 2024 disorder was deliberately premeditated and co-ordinated by any specific group or network. Inspectors said that it was mostly disaffected individuals, influencers or groups that incited people to act violently and take part in disorder, rather than criminal factions or extremists. And it was mainly unrelated to their ideology or political views. The causes of the disorder were complex, but the overwhelming speed and volume of online content further fuelled its spread.

Political policies and decisions on migration and asylum, and decreasing trust in the police. Some of the main reasons for the disorder were social deprivation, austerity and the economic downturn.

Now, I'm sure somebody said: 'we'll call it what it is; far-right thuggery'.....fascists and racists; white terrorists, violent maniacs. 👍🏻

Int that misinformation?

Morning, can you take a look at the Play Off Results thread please. Cheers

[Misnomer]

 s42blue, on 09 May 2025 - 06:02 AM, said:

Morning, can you take a look at the Play Off Results thread please. Cheers

Morning. I'll use the link 👍🏻

[Valley Blues]

 Misnomer, on 09 May 2025 - 12:04 AM, said:

An inspection of the police response to the public disorder in July and August 2024.

On Monday 29 July 2024, three young girls, Bebe King, Elsie Dot Stancombe and Alice Da Silva Aguiar, were killed in a knife attack in Southport. Following these tragic events, widespread unrest and violent disorder broke out in many towns and cities across the UK.


HMICFRS found no conclusive evidence that the 2024 disorder was deliberately premeditated and co-ordinated by any specific group or network. Inspectors said that it was mostly disaffected individuals, influencers or groups that incited people to act violently and take part in disorder, rather than criminal factions or extremists. And it was mainly unrelated to their ideology or political views. The causes of the disorder were complex, but the overwhelming speed and volume of online content further fuelled its spread.

Political policies and decisions on migration and asylum, and decreasing trust in the police. Some of the main reasons for the disorder were social deprivation, austerity and the economic downturn.

Now, I'm sure somebody said: 'we'll call it what it is; far-right thuggery'.....fascists and racists; white terrorists, violent maniacs. 👍🏻

Int that misinformation?

Could it be argued that starmer was effectively inciting racial tensions by misleading the public in this way?

[Mr Mercury]

 Valley Blues, on 09 May 2025 - 08:59 AM, said:

Could it be argued that starmer was effectively inciting racial tensions by misleading the public in this way?

I think that’s the crux of quite a few arguments against, his Coopers and the police’s original media response.

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 08 May 2025 - 03:03 PM, said:

No it's a joke with Goku as he hates pensioners. I am in the oldest group so want to be looked after wonderfully!

I was reading about how when Labour were in opposition they pledged to increase research & development to 3.5% of GDP which I'm lead to believe drives the value add end of the economy, so is incredibly important. Now they're in power, they've only announced £13.9B for R&D which is a real-terms cut due to inflation. Plus, they've cut UK research and innovation. So, it seems we'll just stagnate unless something drastic changes.

We're happy, however, to spend billion after billion on the elderly. Pensioners basically have most countries in Europe in a headlock. Look at the farcical, pearl-clutching screeching exhibited by most of the country when Labour decided to means test the WFP. Imagine if we did what we actually need to do and scrap the triple lock. It needs doing, but nobody can do it because they'd be destroyed at the polling booth. So we'll continue our death spiral.

Speaking broadly, pensioners irritate and block (which costs money) at every opportunity via their NIMBY-ism to stop the country from developing. They stop house prices from reducing. They are the most selfish voting cohort - the experts at pulling the ladder up behind them.

And as such, we must eliminate them all.

This post has been edited by Goku: 09 May 2025 - 10:51 AM

[Misnomer]

 Valley Blues, on 09 May 2025 - 08:59 AM, said:

Could it be argued that starmer was effectively inciting racial tensions by misleading the public in this way?

It was so obvious at the time, that the mainstream and establishment were trying to hammer the narrative of the 'far-right', just like our good friend, Toddhopper, is still doing (and, unfortunately, falling for). 'The far-right is the problem; everything is a far-right issue.'

At the end of the day, it was appallingly handled. Starmer only demonstrated that he didn't care about what people genuinely thought about the murders, he had no concept of how people felt unsafe, and how they were wondering when the government were going to get a grip on the situation - it was pure deflection 101. Similarly perpetuated by the BBC, Sky News, and The Guardian, with further leftist ideology brainwashing.

Daring to critique multiculturalism and immigration, makes you a vile human being, a fascist, racist, bigoted, genocidal maniac; pretty much Hitler....that was the message being sent out by Starmer and his heroic liberals.

An organic moment occurred and Starmer couldn't deal with it. It wasn't far-right fascists. It had been simmering for some time - pretty much what I wrote on the Reform thread; multiple issues, but those terrible murders of those poor girls, was the tipping point, a pressure cooker, created by the liberal system. And they are still happily smearing people with liberal manipulation nonsense (see Toddhopper on the Reform thread), for simply having an opposing view.

[Spire-ite]

Misnomer, on 09 May 2025 - 11:20 AM, said:

It was so obvious at the time, that the mainstream and establishment were trying to hammer the narrative of the 'far-right', just like our good friend, Toddhopper, is still doing (and, unfortunately, falling for). 'The far-right is the problem; everything is a far-right issue.'

At the end of the day, it was appallingly handled. Starmer only demonstrated that he didn't care about what people genuinely thought about the murders, he had no concept of how people felt unsafe, and how they were wondering when the government were going to get a grip on the situation - it was pure deflection 101. Similarly perpetuated by the BBC, Sky News, and The Guardian, with further leftist ideology brainwashing.

Daring to critique multiculturalism and immigration, makes you a vile human being, a fascist, racist, bigoted, genocidal maniac; pretty much Hitler....that was the message being sent out by Starmer and his heroic liberals.

An organic moment occurred and Starmer couldn't deal with it. It wasn't far-right fascists. It had been simmering for some time - pretty much what I wrote on the Reform thread; multiple issues, but those terrible murders of those poor girls, was the tipping point, a pressure cooker, created by the liberal system. And they are still happily smearing people with liberal manipulation nonsense (see Toddhopper on the Reform thread), for simply having an opposing view.

Very good post. He hasn’t a clue, doesn’t read the room, quick to blame/label British people, who the vast majority have simply had enough.

[Goku]

isleaiw1, on 08 May 2025 - 06:46 PM, said:

Too many words there, can you do a summary... On the tariffs, we have a deal that according to Robert Peston the new world is better than a month ago and worse than 2 months ago. But Labour are selling it as a win. They presumably are saying that the fall in productivity in the public sector in 2024 is a good thing... to add to the drop since pre covid...even though it isnt!

Lets not celebrate anything that isnt great. Its better than nowt, in the same way your kids would be happy with an apple and orange for xmas these days...

Edit to summarise for Chris- this one is about the same as the Australian deal. Better for America than us.Oops

Labour have protected jobs which were under threat due to the actions of Orange Man. From what I can tell, it's probably the best they could've done given the country's position and we haven't conceded much. Nothing like Johnson's Australia deal which was mocked on telly down under and was entirely one way. As usual, your anti-Labour bias means you can't see the wood through the trees despite your professed centrism. Don't worry; you're in fine company. Plenty for you to go at Labour with, this isn't one of them.

This post has been edited by Goku: 09 May 2025 - 11:48 AM