[isleaiw1]

 Goku, on 03 May 2025 - 07:05 AM, said:

Indeed. Things can always get considerably worse!

Are you referring to reform or events since the last general election

 Toddhopper., on 03 May 2025 - 07:12 AM, said:

Until people wake up to the fact that our Economic system & the Political system that serves it is completely broken, we are doomed to watch this slow but accelerating decline for the rest of our lives.
Our mainstream parties INCLUDING Reform offer no solutions to our real systemic problems because they are wedded to this system. They serve the interests that are causing our decline.

What are the real systemic problems and the potential solutions in your view? I agree that tinkering round the edges will make no difference and we need significant change in how the country operates...

[dim view]

Toddhopper., on 03 May 2025 - 07:12 AM, said:

Until people wake up to the fact that our Economic system & the Political system that serves it is completely broken, we are doomed to watch this slow but accelerating decline for the rest of our lives.
Our mainstream parties INCLUDING Reform offer no solutions to our real systemic problems because they are wedded to this system. They serve the interests that are causing our decline.

Whist people rightly mock Trump, we have to hope that the clever people that have actually introduced his new ideas are going to cause mayhem in our 'completely broken' system and the knock on effect will force in new thinkers.

Our current lot can't manage any problem in any sector. Time for change.

Farage will feed off USA leads.
Border Control.
DOGE.
Health insurance.
NATO realignment.
Tax relief for folk buying important merchandise........
and more to come.

[Misnomer]

 Toddhopper., on 02 May 2025 - 05:15 PM, said:

Where did he say they couldn't vote for who they liked? The people of this country have yet again shown their unerring ability to vote for those they like ie spivs, hatemongers & charlatans. Why change the habit of decades?

I think you are entirely missing the point of what is going on. This isn't about a political party or who will do well or not, running a council, it's about the frustrations people (not all, obviously) are feeling about our country. They are willing to risk voting for Reform, in the hope some sanity prevails and a semblance of what once was, is restored.

Most people are proud of this country, it's history, it's culture; they don't want to see it purposefully and wilfully eroded and derided. This is a proud, island nation; the people are patriotic to the core and love their country. They want to be treated fairly and with respect, not binned off to the bottom of the pile, for the sake of 'diversity'.

Some people want their kids to be taught rewritten (lies) history, that suits a left-wing agenda - most people don't.

Some people love DEI and the nonsense bias agenda that punishes the native white population - most people don't.

Some people love pro Palestinian, pro Hammas, pro Hezbollah, antisemitic, flag waving, nutjobs, bringing our streets to a standstill every weekend - most people don't.

Some people want open borders and the demographic to change - most people don't.

Some people want the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs issue to be swept under the carpet - most people don't.

Some people want men dressed as women to use female changing facilities and to compete against biological women in sports - most people don't.

Some people are happy for their taxes to used to house illegal immigrants and be given priority over the indigenous population - most people aren't.

Some people, in a majority Christian country, are happy for the ideology of Islam to infiltrate every level of society and dictate policies, such as - 'right-wing extremist narrative' in reference to the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs - most people aren't.

Some people are happy for Islamic terrorism to be swept under the carpet, despite it being responsible for 94% of all deaths from terrorism in this country since 1999; an issue we never had or wanted. They are quite happy for a completely fabricated, right-wing terrorism narrative to be created, in order to aid this deflection - most people aren't.

Some people are happy with two tier policing and justice; like watching the police telling Muslim lads to to take their machetes, knives and hammers back to the mosque, while indigenous white folk are imprisoned for writing something on Facebook- most people aren't.

Talk to anyone out of your echo chamber circle; working class folk, and these are the things they will tell you....if they feel safe that they can.

[calvin plummers socks]

There’s still potholes down my lane.
Farage you lying b******

[oldgoat]

 Misnomer, on 03 May 2025 - 10:43 AM, said:

I think you are entirely missing the point of what is going on. This isn't about a political party or who will do well or not, running a council, it's about the frustrations people (not all, obviously) are feeling about our country. They are willing to risk voting for Reform, in the hope some sanity prevails and a semblance of what once was, is restored.

Most people are proud of this country, it's history, it's culture; they don't want to see it purposefully and wilfully eroded and derided. This is a proud, island nation; the people are patriotic to the core and love their country. They want to be treated fairly and with respect, not binned off to the bottom of the pile, for the sake of 'diversity'.

Some people want their kids to be taught rewritten (lies) history, that suits a left-wing agenda - most people don't.

Some people love DEI and the nonsense bias agenda that punishes the native white population - most people don't.

Some people love pro Palestinian, pro Hammas, pro Hezbollah, antisemitic, flag waving, nutjobs, bringing our streets to a standstill every weekend - most people don't.

Some people want open borders and the demographic to change - most people don't.

Some people want the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs issue to be swept under the carpet - most people don't.

Some people want men dressed as women to use female changing facilities and to compete against biological women in sports - most people don't.

Some people are happy for their taxes to used to house illegal immigrants and be given priority over the indigenous population - most people aren't.

Some people, in a majority Christian country, are happy for the ideology of Islam to infiltrate every level of society and dictate policies, such as - 'right-wing extremist narrative' in reference to the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs - most people aren't.

Some people are happy for Islamic terrorism to be swept under the carpet, despite it being responsible for 94% of all deaths from terrorism in this country since 1999; an issue we never had or wanted. They are quite happy for a completely fabricated, right-wing terrorism narrative to be created, in order to aid this deflection - most people aren't.

Some people are happy with two tier policing and justice; like watching the police telling Muslim lads to to take their machetes, knives and hammers back to the mosque, while indigenous white folk are imprisoned for writing something on Facebook- most people aren't.

Talk to anyone out of your echo chamber circle; working class folk, and these are the things they will tell you....if they feel safe that they can.

It would appear that the threat to Christianity isn't other religions but thankfully no religion .

In England, the 2021 census showed that Christianity is the largest religion, with 46.2% of the population identifying as Christian. Following Christianity is no religion, with 37.2% of the population. Islam is the third largest religion, with 6.5% of the population identifying as Muslim. Other religions include Hinduism (1.7%), Sikhism (0.9%), Buddhism (0.5%), Judaism (0.5%), and a small percentage identifying as "Other religion".

This post has been edited by oldgoat: 03 May 2025 - 11:33 AM

[Search & Destroy]

Next UK General Election Most Seats · Labour13/8 · Reform7/4 · Conservatives11/4 · Liberal Democrats66/1.

[Toddhopper.]

Misnomer, on 03 May 2025 - 10:43 AM, said:

I think you are entirely missing the point of what is going on. This isn't about a political party or who will do well or not, running a council, it's about the frustrations people (not all, obviously) are feeling about our country. They are willing to risk voting for Reform, in the hope some sanity prevails and a semblance of what once was, is restored.

Most people are proud of this country, it's history, it's culture; they don't want to see it purposefully and wilfully eroded and derided. This is a proud, island nation; the people are patriotic to the core and love their country. They want to be treated fairly and with respect, not binned off to the bottom of the pile, for the sake of 'diversity'.

Some people want their kids to be taught rewritten (lies) history, that suits a left-wing agenda - most people don't.

Some people love DEI and the nonsense bias agenda that punishes the native white population - most people don't.

Some people love pro Palestinian, pro Hammas, pro Hezbollah, antisemitic, flag waving, nutjobs, bringing our streets to a standstill every weekend - most people don't.

Some people want open borders and the demographic to change - most people don't.

Some people want the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs issue to be swept under the carpet - most people don't.

Some people want men dressed as women to use female changing facilities and to compete against biological women in sports - most people don't.

Some people are happy for their taxes to used to house illegal immigrants and be given priority over the indigenous population - most people aren't.

Some people, in a majority Christian country, are happy for the ideology of Islam to infiltrate every level of society and dictate policies, such as - 'right-wing extremist narrative' in reference to the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs - most people aren't.

Some people are happy for Islamic terrorism to be swept under the carpet, despite it being responsible for 94% of all deaths from terrorism in this country since 1999; an issue we never had or wanted. They are quite happy for a completely fabricated, right-wing terrorism narrative to be created, in order to aid this deflection - most people aren't.

Some people are happy with two tier policing and justice; like watching the police telling Muslim lads to to take their machetes, knives and hammers back to the mosque, while indigenous white folk are imprisoned for writing something on Facebook- most people aren't.

Talk to anyone out of your echo chamber circle; working class folk, and these are the things they will tell you....if they feel safe that they can.

You don't hope for sanity by voting for insanity. The rest of your post shows you are way way down the rabbit hole & probably unsalvagable.

file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/report_extreme_right_wing_terrorism_in_the_uk_22-052-01-1.pdf A report on UK Far Right Terrorism for you, just so we agree it isn't made up.

This post has been edited by Toddhopper.: 03 May 2025 - 01:25 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

 Toddhopper., on 03 May 2025 - 01:15 PM, said:

You don't hope for sanity by voting for insanity. The rest of your post shows you are way way down the rabbit hole & probably unsalvagable.

file:///C:/Users/User/Downloads/report_extreme_right_wing_terrorism_in_the_uk_22-052-01-1.pdf A report on UK Far Right Terrorism for you, just so we agree it isn't made up.

Serious question - if his point about “most people don’t” is wrong, then why did reform win the most seats in the local elections, win the popular vote in the local elections, win 2 of the mayoral contests, and overturn a 14,000 majority in labours 49th safest seats?


Surely 40% of the population are not “far right terrorists”?


Why you even posted that I don’t know but I’m genuinely interested on why you think the vote went the way it did

[dart in the crossbar]

Mr Mercury, on 02 May 2025 - 04:27 PM, said:

No, one of the reasons the Tories have lost a lot of seats, apart from being a disaster, is that they were defending a very high number of seats yesterday after doing very very well in these same elections in 2021, two years after Boris’ large 2019 election win.

Yes, that. It's also true that new governments tend to do badly in the first few years after they've been elected. The usual approach being to make the unpopular decisions early on and then to sweeten things in the year before the GE. Labour certainly hasn't bucked the first part of that trend! In fact they seem to have taken it to another level altogether.

Political leadership wise, Starmer / (pretty much everything) makes Corbyn / Brexit look like a minor error.

I think that anyone newly taking up the political leadership of a Council has a very tough job on their hands. The likelihood of being at odds with central government won't help them either.

Derbyshire DOGE (Why on earth did they opt to borrow that?) could be interesting perhaps.

[Goku]

These morons are already showing how mental they are at breakneck pace:

https://x.com/TiceRi...573908871000257

Moron number 1 campaigning to make energy more expensive and to lose investment in his constituency.

https://www.dailymai...-Reform-UK.html

Moron number 2 can’t go 10 seconds without some casual xenophobia towards somebody who has apparently lived in her constituency longer than she has.

https://www.independ...s-b2744299.html

I can’t call Farage a moron because he’s a clever manipulator but he’s example number 3 for complaining about people working from home whilst never stepping foot in his constituency

I’m sure there’ll be plenty more to come as Reform go full mask-off.

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[Mr Mercury]

Re Tice I’d say he’s doing the sensible thing and preserving farming land, you know actually looking after his constituents. And re Cheap energy via solar panels doesn’t seem to work.
And getting rid of DEI officers, how much is wasted on that every year.

You’re clutching at straws lol

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[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury, on 04 May 2025 - 06:59 AM, said:

Re Tice I’d say he’s doing the sensible thing and preserving farming land, you know actually looking after his constituents. And re Cheap energy via solar panels doesn’t seem to work.
And getting rid of DEI officers, how much is wasted on that every year.

You’re clutching at straws lol

We live in an island, coastal windfarms, either on or off shore wind will provide long term energy security- that’s not to say it can’t go hand in hand in the shot to medium term with fossil fuels and long term nuclear energy.


I don’t have a problem with the move to net zero

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[Goku]

 Mr Mercury, on 04 May 2025 - 06:59 AM, said:

Re Tice I’d say he’s doing the sensible thing and preserving farming land, you know actually looking after his constituents. And re Cheap energy via solar panels doesn’t seem to work.
And getting rid of DEI officers, how much is wasted on that every year.

You’re clutching at straws lol

Ah, I didn’t know you were a NIMBY.

Funny you should mention DEI: https://www.independ...s-b2744308.html

No need to clutch at straws when your lot are making idiots of themselves at every possible opportunity, and you’ve lost the ability to criticise them due to your party membership. So freeing to have the option to choose who to vote for and to choose who to criticise instead of being wedded to one party etc etc

This post has been edited by Goku: 04 May 2025 - 07:12 AM

[Wooden Spoon]

dart in the crossbar, on 03 May 2025 - 09:12 PM, said:

Yes, that. It's also true that new governments tend to do badly in the first few years after they've been elected. The usual approach being to make the unpopular decisions early on and then to sweeten things in the year before the GE. Labour certainly hasn't bucked the first part of that trend! In fact they seem to have taken it to another level altogether.

Political leadership wise, Starmer / (pretty much everything) makes Corbyn / Brexit look like a minor error.

I think that anyone newly taking up the political leadership of a Council has a very tough job on their hands. The likelihood of being at odds with central government won't help them either.

Derbyshire DOGE (Why on earth did they opt to borrow that?) could be interesting perhaps.

Starmer and his front bench have reduced labours popularity with the public to levels similar to the tories. It took them 14 years to achieve what he’s done in 10 months. Maybe that’s what he meant by further and faster

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 04 May 2025 - 07:10 AM, said:

Ah, I didn’t know you were a NIMBY.

Funny you should mention DEI: https://www.independ...s-b2744308.html

No need to clutch at straws when your lot are making idiots of themselves at every possible opportunity, and you’ve lost the ability to criticise them due to your party membership. So freeing to have the option to choose who to vote for instead of being wedded to one party etc etc

Stopping millions of acres looking like mirrors in eco idiot millibands clutch for net zero? Nah I’m happy with that mate.

[Goku]

 Mr Mercury, on 04 May 2025 - 07:13 AM, said:

Stopping millions of acres looking like mirrors in eco idiot millibands clutch for net zero? Nah I’m happy with that mate.

NIMBY alert! NIMBY alert!

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 04 May 2025 - 07:14 AM, said:

NIMBY alert! NIMBY alert!

Erm I don’t live in Lincolnshire mate.
Salty tears , the best type.

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[Goku]

 Mr Mercury, on 04 May 2025 - 07:32 AM, said:

Erm I don’t live in Lincolnshire mate.
Salty tears , the best type.

Do you prefer salty tears or Farage’s salty produce?

(I just shuddered writing that)

This post has been edited by Goku: 04 May 2025 - 07:36 AM

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 04 May 2025 - 07:36 AM, said:

Do you prefer salty tears or Farage’s salty produce?

(I just shuddered writing that)

Weird!

[Goku]

Come on, I’ve not plumbed those depths for a while, you have to allow me one every now and then.