[isleaiw1]

Valley Blues, on 02 May 2025 - 11:19 AM, said:

You believing there is a hotel housing migrants and you not noticing house prices in that vicinity dropping is hardly a statement based upon facts.

Exactly, complete rubbish, I am fighting random words with no justification with similar. Bloody annoying isnt it?

[isleaiw1]

Bonnyman, on 02 May 2025 - 11:39 AM, said:

Very easy to find on the net that studies have shown in less densely populated areas, house prices have fallen due to the countries disastrous open border policy as for yourself a few paragraphs of opinion on bobs board football section is probably the pinnacle of your involvement in the game

Go on then, link to an article that shows house prices are falling because is open border policy.

My pinnacle in the game was captaining my school. I had no interests in going further than that, nor do I think I can manage better than a professional paid manager. Remind me again, who are you managing these days?

PS I googled it, apparently uncontrolled immigration pushes house prices up (supply and demand and all that)....I'm not sure why its different in less densely populated areas other than they are subject to the vagaries of the latest trend on moving away from the city / into the city.

This post has been edited by isleaiw1: 02 May 2025 - 12:35 PM

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Burgerman, on 02 May 2025 - 11:40 AM, said:

Reform's main focus is without doubt immigration, anyone who doesn't see that must be blind. Their policies on the NHS, Education, Social Care, Transport etc. are just soundbites. Now, it may just be me and maybe I am not seeing things the same as everyone else but I don't honestly think all those people who voted Reform yesterday are invested in their policies other than immigration?

Asking Mark about what he thinks about Reforms vision of the NHS, and all the rest of it is shying away from what the real ink on the page say's. Its all about uncontrolled, mass immigration and how its crushing the Treasury. Illegal immigrants are costing us £Bn's and the last government and more importantly this one is saying there is no money left to improve social care, the NHS (which in my opinion needs a massive overhaul), public services etc. The public are saying "Hey, just stop the boats, halt mass immigration and use the money elsewhere".

I doubt Reform will form a government in my lifetime, but if they do then those who voted for them won't be to blame, the blame will sit squarely on the shoulders of those who failed, sorry REFUSED to listen. The debate isn't what Reform stand for, its why won't the governments past and present listen.

Thanks for the reasoned reply.

And thanks also for acknowledging my point; Reform are essentially a one policy party - arguably still a one man one too - using legitimate immigration concerns as a vehicle to pursue an even more sinister agenda.

Free-for-all free marketry.

I don't think you should under-estimate them, either. We're seeing the end of the Conservative Party before our very eyes. A descent into oblivion initiated, with delicious irony, by Boris Johnson.

Or at least the corruption and chaos which became normalised during his ridiculously brief tenure.

Most of their financial backers fund Reform. Many of their members have also migrated (pun) to Reform. Whilst it's obvious millions of their voters cross the Reform box first.

Who can now claim with credibility to be the official opposition.

Nor can we deny they're attracting huge numbers of Labour voters. Many motivated, as you quite accurately recognise, by immigration. A decision for which, like you, I don't blame them.

However as someone like myself and millions of others who doesn't agree with Reform - in fact genuinely despises the charlatan leading them, his Trumpian agenda and the characters he has a history of attracting - the question is how to oppose them.

First, mainstream politicians have to be better. Much better. In short do what they said on the electoral tin. Then most of all abide by three 'Fight Club' style rules.

Rule one - don't dump on those who voted for you.

Rule two - don't dump on those who voted for you.

Rule three - DON'T EFFIN' DUMP ON THOSE WHO VOTED FOR YOU!

Rules which this current government - my party's government - have clearly forgotten.

Second, do what I've attempted to do on here; expose Reform's absence of bread and butter policies. Or even worse, ones which will render the UK public they claim to hold dear infinitely worse off.

Private health insurance.

Billions of public spending cuts allied to billions of tax cuts which will make the Kwar-crash look like a minor fiscal hiccup.

Defaulting on interest payments to the BoE which will create untold mistrust on the markets.

Ripping up countless regulations protecting workers, consumers and the environment.

Zero net migration which will deprive public services and business of millions of essential employees.

If at that point you still want to blame Labour or Tories or anyone else for where you find yourself, then fair enough. I might even agree to a certain extent. But please Mark, at least be balanced in who you call out and when...

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 02 May 2025 - 12:39 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

Just 9 months after winning a land slide election labour are being hammered.

The tories still being treated with the contempt they deserve.


This is the public telling the main parties YOU ARE NOT LISTENING

[Mr Mercury]

Just watching the results coming in, it’s a turquoise wave. Look like there’s not too many out there bothered about policies this far from the next election. This time will come for policies nearer the time when we see what state this lot of treacherous anti British politicians have left the country in.
Starmer saying he’s going to go further and faster, deaf as a post to last nights results. Still avoiding the main issues.
The country is waking up to the threat posed by mass illegal immigration, it’s starting to arrive on everyone’s doorstep and they’re saying NO, in ever increasing numbers.

[Mr Mercury]

A seismic shift is taking place listening to these results coming in.

[Burgerman]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 May 2025 - 12:34 PM, said:

Thanks for the reasoned reply.

And thanks also for acknowledging my point; Reform are essentially a one policy party - arguably still a one man one too - using legitimate immigration concerns as a vehicle to pursue an even more sinister agenda.

Free-for-all free marketry.

I don't think you should under-estimate them, either. We're seeing the end of the Conservative Party before our very eyes. A descent into oblivion initiated, with delicious irony, by Boris Johnson.

Or at least the corruption and chaos which became normalised during his ridiculously brief tenure.

Most of their financial backers now fund Reform. Many of their members have also migrated (pun) to Reform. Whilst it's obvious millions of their voters cross the Reform box.

Who can now claim with credibility to be the official opposition.

Nor can we deny they're attracting huge numbers of Labour voters. Many motivated, as you quite accurately recognise, by immigration. A decision for which, like you, I don't blame them.

However as someone like myself and millions of others who doesn't agree with Reform - in fact genuinely despises the charlatan leading them, his Trumpian agenda and the characters he has a history of attracting - the question is how to oppose them.

First, mainstream politicians have to be better. Much better. In short do what they said on the electoral tin. Then most of all abide by three 'Fight Club' style rules.

Rule one - don't dump on those who voted for you.

Rule two - don't dump on those who voted for you.

Rule three - DON'T EFFIN' DUMP ON THOSE WHO VOTED FOR YOU!

Rules which this current government - my party's government - have clearly forgotten.

Second, do what I've attempted to do on here; expose Reform's absence of bread and butter policies. Or even worse, ones which will render the UK public they claim to hold dear infinitely worse off.

Private health insurance.

Billions of public spending cuts allied to billions of tax cuts which will make the Kwar-crash look like a minor fiscal hiccup.

Defaulting on interest payments to the BoE which will create untold mistrust on the markets.

Ripping up countless regulations protecting workers, consumers and the environment.

Zero net migration which will deprive public services and business of millions of essential employees.

If at that point you still want to blame Labour or Tories or anyone else for where you find yourself, then fair enough. I might even agree to a certain extent. But please Mark, at least be balanced in who you call out and when...

My main personal aim or should I say wish is to have MP's, be they in government or opposition, be honest, have the interests of their constituent a priority over party politics and have a genuine interest in the welfare of all. Now, your views may be different to mine but British politics has been on a downward spiral for many decades and we need reform (not the party by the way). We need a shake up.

I called out decisions made by the Tories and those of Labour because both have been devastating for the people of this country. I can't call out decisions made by Reform simply because they have had no power to make any. I agree, their leader is a celebrity seeking leach who will more than likely cause mayhem although I don't think his Trumpesque values will be appreciated on these shores. I get that he has been waiting like a striking Cobra for his chance to get on the podium but, and I stand by what I say, it has been handed to him on a plate. Labour's job now isn't to discredit him, its to be better than him and to cancel out his only policy that people value by acting quickly, concisely and true. Cure the immigration problem and Farage's Reform will die a death.

[Goku]

Burgerman, on 02 May 2025 - 12:54 PM, said:

My main personal aim or should I say wish is to have MP's, be they in government or opposition, be honest, have the interests of their constituent a priority over party politics and have a genuine interest in the welfare of all. Now, your views may be different to mine but British politics has been on a downward spiral for many decades and we need reform (not the party by the way). We need a shake up.

I called out decisions made by the Tories and those of Labour because both have been devastating for the people of this country. I can't call out decisions made by Reform simply because they have had no power to make any. I agree, their leader is a celebrity seeking leach who will more than likely cause mayhem although I don't think his Trumpesque values will be appreciated on these shores. I get that he has been waiting like a striking Cobra for his chance to get on the podium but, and I stand by what I say, it has been handed to him on a plate. Labour's job now isn't to discredit him, its to be better than him and to cancel out his only policy that people value by acting quickly, concisely and true. Cure the immigration problem and Farage's Reform will die a death.

Well said.

[Wooden Spoon]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 May 2025 - 12:34 PM, said:

Thanks for the reasoned reply.

And thanks also for acknowledging my point; Reform are essentially a one policy party - arguably still a one man one too - using legitimate immigration concerns as a vehicle to pursue an even more sinister agenda.

Free-for-all free marketry.

I don't think you should under-estimate them, either. We're seeing the end of the Conservative Party before our very eyes. A descent into oblivion initiated, with delicious irony, by Boris Johnson.

Or at least the corruption and chaos which became normalised during his ridiculously brief tenure.

Most of their financial backers fund Reform. Many of their members have also migrated (pun) to Reform. Whilst it's obvious millions of their voters cross the Reform box first.

Who can now claim with credibility to be the official opposition.

Nor can we deny they're attracting huge numbers of Labour voters. Many motivated, as you quite accurately recognise, by immigration. A decision for which, like you, I don't blame them.

However as someone like myself and millions of others who doesn't agree with Reform - in fact genuinely despises the charlatan leading them, his Trumpian agenda and the characters he has a history of attracting - the question is how to oppose them.

First, mainstream politicians have to be better. Much better. In short do what they said on the electoral tin. Then most of all abide by three 'Fight Club' style rules.

Rule one - don't dump on those who voted for you.

Rule two - don't dump on those who voted for you.

Rule three - DON'T EFFIN' DUMP ON THOSE WHO VOTED FOR YOU!

Rules which this current government - my party's government - have clearly forgotten.

Second, do what I've attempted to do on here; expose Reform's absence of bread and butter policies. Or even worse, ones which will render the UK public they claim to hold dear infinitely worse off.

Private health insurance.

Billions of public spending cuts allied to billions of tax cuts which will make the Kwar-crash look like a minor fiscal hiccup.

Defaulting on interest payments to the BoE which will create untold mistrust on the markets.

Ripping up countless regulations protecting workers, consumers and the environment.

Zero net migration which will deprive public services and business of millions of essential employees.

If at that point you still want to blame Labour or Tories or anyone else for where you find yourself, then fair enough. I might even agree to a certain extent. But please Mark, at least be balanced in who you call out and when...

There is nothing wrong with migration per se - controlled migration where the country gets the labour it needs.


Think windrush.


What we are getting uncontrolled mass migration of god knows who. Criminals running migration and not the government.


Branding people far right and racist when they express these concerns is doing the exact opposite to what you want. It’s alienating and pushing more and more people to Reform.


If the government got control of this, if border force actually controlled borders and not acting as an escort force for the small boats and the like the public wouldn’t have these concerns- in short if the parties dealt with the problem properly instead of looking for ways to shout down concerns - these concerns would not be there.

[Wooden Spoon]

 Burgerman, on 02 May 2025 - 12:54 PM, said:

My main personal aim or should I say wish is to have MP's, be they in government or opposition, be honest, have the interests of their constituent a priority over party politics and have a genuine interest in the welfare of all. Now, your views may be different to mine but British politics has been on a downward spiral for many decades and we need reform (not the party by the way). We need a shake up.

I called out decisions made by the Tories and those of Labour because both have been devastating for the people of this country. I can't call out decisions made by Reform simply because they have had no power to make any. I agree, their leader is a celebrity seeking leach who will more than likely cause mayhem although I don't think his Trumpesque values will be appreciated on these shores. I get that he has been waiting like a striking Cobra for his chance to get on the podium but,




and I stand by what I say, it has been handed to him on a plate. Labour's job now isn't to discredit him, it’s to be better than him and to cancel out his only policy that people value by acting quickly, concisely and true. Cure the immigration problem and Farage's Reform will die a death.

Spot on


Absolutely spot on, especially the last bit.

[Mr Mercury]

Burgerman, on 02 May 2025 - 12:54 PM, said:

My main personal aim or should I say wish is to have MP's, be they in government or opposition, be honest, have the interests of their constituent a priority over party politics and have a genuine interest in the welfare of all. Now, your views may be different to mine but British politics has been on a downward spiral for many decades and we need reform (not the party by the way). We need a shake up.

I called out decisions made by the Tories and those of Labour because both have been devastating for the people of this country. I can't call out decisions made by Reform simply because they have had no power to make any. I agree, their leader is a celebrity seeking leach who will more than likely cause mayhem although I don't think his Trumpesque values will be appreciated on these shores. I get that he has been waiting like a striking Cobra for his chance to get on the podium but, and I stand by what I say, it has been handed to him on a plate. Labour's job now isn't to discredit him, its to be better than him and to cancel out his only policy that people value by acting quickly, concisely and true. Cure the immigration problem and Farage's Reform will die a death.

“Cure the immigration problem and Farages Reform will die a death”
So..
The removing of the winter fuel allowance by Labour doesn’t matter to Reform voters?
The lies and promises given to the Waspi women by Labour doesn’t matter to Reform voters?
The removal of the many disabled benefits by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The two tier policing of Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The two justice system overseen by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The farmers inheritance tax brought in by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The crippling energy bills exacerbated by Labours net zero obsession doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The continuing spiralling council tax rises don’t bother Reform voters?
The list goes on.

Who would the millions of Reform voters then vote for, would they vote Labour, the government that’s taken treachery and deceit to a whole new level or a Tory party who had 14 years to mess it up?
Sorry mate, as much as I agree with on many many issues I think your just falling into the trap that those on the left want you to fall into. Reform are no longer starting to look like they’re now a very serious threat to the two party system, they ARE now a very serious threat to the two party system, and basing it all on the topic of illegal mass immigration, which is certainly on the verge of being a National emergency, is just falling into the trap of complacency that you accuse the two main parties of.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 02 May 2025 - 01:36 PM

[Spire-ite]

Mr Mercury, on 02 May 2025 - 01:22 PM, said:

“Cure the immigration problem and Farages Reform will die a death”
So..
The removing of the winter fuel allowance by Labour doesn’t matter to Reform voters?
The lies and promises given to the Waspi women by Labour doesn’t matter to Reform voters?
The removal of the many disabled benefits by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The two tier policing of Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The two justice system overseen by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The farmers inheritance tax brought in by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The crippling energy bills exacerbated by Labours net zero obsession doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The continuing spiralling council tax rises don’t bother Reform voters?
The list goes on.

Who would the millions of Reform voters then vote for, would they vote Labour, the government that’s taken treachery and deceit to a whole new level or a Tory party who had 14 years to mess it up?
Sorry mate, as much as I agree with on many many issues I think your just falling into the trap that those on the left want you to fall into. Reform are no longer starting to look like they’re now a very serious threat to the two party system, they ARE now a very serious threat to the two party system, and basing it all on the topic of illegal mass immigration, which is certainly on the verge of being a National emergency, is just falling into the trap of complacency that you accuse the two main parties of.

Yep, hard to disagree with that.

[Goku]

Spire-ite, on 02 May 2025 - 01:38 PM, said:

Yep, hard to disagree with that.

It's not. The "smaller" issues have contributed to the Labour party's unpopularity but the view that they're not acting quickly/harshly enough in terms of the small boats is the primary issue. Mr Mercury listed several concerns which many people share, but many of those people would likely find it easier to (begrudgingly) accept those issues if the trade-off was that the small boat problem be resolved.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 02 May 2025 - 01:53 PM, said:

It's not. The "smaller" issues have contributed to the Labour party's unpopularity but the view that they're not acting quickly/harshly enough in terms of the small boats is the primary issue. Mr Mercury listed several concerns which many people share, but many of those people would likely find it easier to (begrudgingly) accept those issues if the trade-off was that the small boat problem be resolved.

I think you’re wrong, and while I agree that the boats issue is so damaging to the country in many different ways, and to Labour, the genies finally out of the bottle, IMHO, re two party politics and it’s not going to go back into it that easily. But of course we’ll see.

[Burgerman]

Mr Mercury, on 02 May 2025 - 01:22 PM, said:

“Cure the immigration problem and Farages Reform will die a death”
So..
The removing of the winter fuel allowance by Labour doesn’t matter to Reform voters?
The lies and promises given to the Waspi women by Labour doesn’t matter to Reform voters?
The removal of the many disabled benefits by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The two tier policing of Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The two justice system overseen by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The farmers inheritance tax brought in by Labour doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The crippling energy bills exacerbated by Labours net zero obsession doesn’t bother Reform voters?
The continuing spiralling council tax rises don’t bother Reform voters?
The list goes on.

Who would the millions of Reform voters then vote for, would they vote Labour, the government that’s taken treachery and deceit to a whole new level or a Tory party who had 14 years to mess it up?
Sorry mate, as much as I agree with on many many issues I think your just falling into the trap that those on the left want you to fall into. Reform are no longer starting to look like they’re now a very serious threat to the two party system, they ARE now a very serious threat to the two party system, and basing it all on the topic of illegal mass immigration, which is certainly on the verge of being a National emergency, is just falling into the trap of complacency that you accuse the two main parties of.

Hello, Mate. Firstly I will acknowledge the success of your party in the last 24 hrs but Like I said to Chris, the writing has been on the wall for months. This flood towards Reform is not surprising, well not to me at least.

I totally agree with the list of failings you post above, the Labour party hasn't shot itself in the foot, it has sought to find the largest APL-M14 and jumped on it with both feet. What they have done is shit on the working class from a great height. Having said that, Reform's policies on those very subjects are hidden under a very thick cloud inversion and they are not easy for me to see. The one thing that is clear is their immigration policy. Some of it I agree with like the illegal immigration and how it has to be stopped, some of it I don't agree with like their view on genuine asylum seekers or legal immigration. Now they have a toe in the door, we may get to see things a bit more clearly but I say with confidence that I don't see Farage ever being the PM. He couldn't even win I'm a Celebrity

[Burgerman]

Reform take control of Derbyshire County Council...

[Valley Blues]

 Burgerman, on 02 May 2025 - 02:43 PM, said:

Reform take control of Derbyshire County Council...

Smashed Derbyshire. 37% of the vote and 42 seats.

[Valley Blues]

 Goku, on 02 May 2025 - 01:53 PM, said:

It's not. The "smaller" issues have contributed to the Labour party's unpopularity but the view that they're not acting quickly/harshly enough in terms of the small boats is the primary issue. Mr Mercury listed several concerns which many people share, but many of those people would likely find it easier to (begrudgingly) accept those issues if the trade-off was that the small boat problem be resolved.

IMO you’re correct on this.

The channel crossings is spiralling and the issue that is pushing the buttons of millions of honest, decent, law abiding voters.

Interesting where Labour go next because Reform will no doubt offer a hard line on illegal immigration which will appeal to vast swathes of the population.

If Labour don’t act quickly, decisively and with a firm hand, they’re done

[Mr Mercury]

 Valley Blues, on 02 May 2025 - 02:49 PM, said:

Smashed Derbyshire. 37% of the vote and 42 seats.

For the Hardwick ward
Reform 1925
Labour 772
Tory 416

Wow

[Mr Mercury]

 Valley Blues, on 02 May 2025 - 02:57 PM, said:

IMO you’re correct on this.

The channel crossings is spiralling and the issue that is pushing the buttons of millions of honest, decent, law abiding voters.

Interesting where Labour go next because Reform will no doubt offer a hard line on illegal immigration which will appeal to vast swathes of the population.

If Labour don’t act quickly, decisively and with a firm hand, they’re done

He’s no interest in stopping it, never even has the decency to address the public about their concerns.