[Valley Blues]

According to Labour Party chair, incumbent governments never do well in by elections and the Runcorn defeat isn’t that bad cos Reform thought it would be bigger and it ended up being very close.

[Mr Mercury]

Valley Blues, on 02 May 2025 - 06:41 AM, said:

According to Labour Party chair, incumbent governments never do well in by elections and the Runcorn defeat isn’t that bad cos Reform thought it would be bigger and it ended up being very close.

It was 6 years before Blair’s resurgent Labour lost a by election. Treacherous Starmer with his majority build on sand couldn’t even keep a 5 figure majority seat in less than a year.

[Search & Destroy]

Comments on page one of this thread😂😂

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[Burgerman]

Search & Destroy, on 02 May 2025 - 06:52 AM, said:

Comments on page one of this thread😂😂

Well, at least I have been consistent. Labour and the Tories don't listen to the concerns of people, they just arrogantly cast the concerns of the public aside and that will be their downfall.

[s42blue]

 calvin plummers socks, on 01 May 2025 - 11:06 PM, said:

Are you really calling our PM a c***?

Were you dismissing voters with differing opinions to yours as “fat with bad trainers”?

Then again you said that Reform had no chance of taking votes of Labour safe seats.


Major parties have to surely sit up and listen.

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[Burgerman]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 May 2025 - 05:57 PM, said:

It was a simple request, Mark.

Detail Reform policies on the Reform thread.

Yet here we are after two replies to the same post, several profanity peppered paragraphs (do you remember accusing me of lowering the tone when using the dictionary definition of 'bastard' which you didn't understand?), a number of obviously diversionary taunts, the by now inevitable mention of the 'two tier' trope - which of course perfectly describes your attitude towards lies and treachery, more desperate attempts to hide behind what you claim millions think...

..and not a single sentence telling us what your party would do with the NHS. Or those WASPI's you were previously so excited about. Or pensions. Or public spending, taxation, the care sector, social infrastructure or any other bread and butter issues effecting the working class people so often mentioned.

But hey, don't worry mate, you're not on your own.

There're several other Reform supporters on here who clearly find it impossible to comment without mentioning migrants, too...

And herein lies the problem with your party, Chris. Immigration is by far the outstanding issue the public feel we face. That doesn't make them bad white people or "racist fat people who wear bad trainers" immigration is out of control and people are concerned with the knock on affect it has on our economy of which there is no denying.

Labour are failing to "stop the boats" as promised, Conservatives did the same, yet they down talk the people who continually raise concern about the uncontrolled influx as opposed to listening to them, listening to what they want.

Today shows the the UK are drifting away from two party politics and as much as I don't agree with many things Reform stands for, I do agree and I welcome the spanner they are throwing into the gearbox of Westminster. British politics needs a kick in the balls and I for one am glad its happening.

[Blue roan lily]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 01 May 2025 - 05:57 PM, said:

It was a simple request, Mark.

Detail Reform policies on the Reform thread.

Yet here we are after two replies to the same post, several profanity peppered paragraphs (do you remember accusing me of lowering the tone when using the dictionary definition of 'bastard' which you didn't understand?), a number of obviously diversionary taunts, the by now inevitable mention of the 'two tier' trope - which of course perfectly describes your attitude towards lies and treachery, more desperate attempts to hide behind what you claim millions think...

..and not a single sentence telling us what your party would do with the NHS. Or those WASPI's you were previously so excited about. Or pensions. Or public spending, taxation, the care sector, social infrastructure or any other bread and butter issues effecting the working class people so often mentioned.

But hey, don't worry mate, you're not on your own.

There're several other Reform supporters on here who clearly find it impossible to comment without mentioning migrants, too...

To be fair it’s not just reform voters that are commenting on the migrant issue
But, consider this;
In 2024 the universal credit amount payed out to households with at least one migrant in the property was £1.1 BILLION..
Thats tax payers money funding this debacle
No wonder Labout and the Tories got a kicking at the locals…

[Goku]

Blue roan lily, on 02 May 2025 - 08:34 AM, said:

To be fair it’s not just reform voters that are commenting on the migrant issue
But, consider this;
In 2024 the universal credit amount payed out to households with at least one migrant in the property was £1.1 BILLION..
Thats tax payers money funding this debacle

I assume the vast majority of these people aren't those who came over on small boats, and are instead family members of people who migrated here without going through the asylum process - this is arguably an issue in and of itself, is there any way this can be checked?

[Valley Blues]

 Burgerman, on 02 May 2025 - 08:04 AM, said:

And herein lies the problem with your party, Chris. Immigration is by far the outstanding issue the public feel we face. That doesn't make them bad white people or "racist fat people who wear bad trainers" immigration is out of control and people are concerned with the knock on affect it has on our economy of which there is no denying.

Labour are failing to "stop the boats" as promised, Conservatives did the same, yet they down talk the people who continually raise concern about the uncontrolled influx as opposed to listening to them, listening to what they want.

Today shows the the UK are drifting away from two party politics and as much as I don't agree with many things Reform stands for, I do agree and I welcome the spanner they are throwing into the gearbox of Westminster. British politics needs a kick in the balls and I for one am glad its happening.

It appears that the bullying and intimidation tactics by screaming racism at every juncture in order to silence genuine concerns is coming to an end.

Those with these genuine and wholly justified concerns about who and what we are allowing into communities are standing up to the bullies and telling them enough is enough.

Those screaming racism, bigotry and every phobia under the sun will slowly realise that just because it’s their view it’s not necessarily right and others have an entitlement to express alternative views too.

We see it on here every day. Insults, threats, attempts to belittle, a perceived superior intelligence. And it more often than not comes from the same side.

The dawn of a new era, maybe?

[turrhall]

Very funny and totally predicable performance from Labour

[Burgerman]

turrhall, on 02 May 2025 - 09:10 AM, said:

Very funny and totally predicable performance from Labour

I predict their response to losing Runcorn will be centred around how bad the Tories did.

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

 Burgerman, on 02 May 2025 - 08:04 AM, said:

And herein lies the problem with your party, Chris. Immigration is by far the outstanding issue the public feel we face. That doesn't make them bad white people or "racist fat people who wear bad trainers" immigration is out of control and people are concerned with the knock on affect it has on our economy of which there is no denying.

Labour are failing to "stop the boats" as promised, Conservatives did the same, yet they down talk the people who continually raise concern about the uncontrolled influx as opposed to listening to them, listening to what they want.

Today shows the the UK are drifting away from two party politics and as much as I don't agree with many things Reform stands for, I do agree and I welcome the spanner they are throwing into the gearbox of Westminster. British politics needs a kick in the balls and I for one am glad its happening.

You'll note I didn't use any of those slurs though, Mark.

I simply asked someone zealously boasting support and membership of a party vying to be the official opposition what policies they had beyond the 'stop the boats' slogans he chose to quote when it's NHS policy was interrogated.

As witnessed the repeated responses were as evasive as they were predictable.

So you've a choice to make; how long do you value seeing the traditional parties suffer - including my own which quite rightly received a political pasting despite pathetic attempts to pretend otherwise - over the rise of one with which you largely disagree? How long do you celebrate their embarrassment instead of challenging what Reform will do to you and yours'?

And I'll finish with an anecdote you can choose to believe or not.

Last week my work led to an encounter with an old lady. An old lady who lives across from where a new estate is being built. An old lady who'd been led to believe some of the high end housing going up would be handed to migrants.

An old lady who was genuinely scared as a result.

But it was gibberish. Nonsense. A cynical lie peddled by someone, somewhere, to scare that old lady.

I intend to call out those lies whenever they're peddled - what do you intend to do....?

This post has been edited by The Earl of Chesterfield: 02 May 2025 - 10:31 AM

[Spire-ite]

What were Liebour policies? Anyone know?
What about every single Liebour pre election promise? All broken. They are total and utter scum, and deserve the kicking they are getting by the British people...

This post has been edited by Spire-ite: 02 May 2025 - 10:55 AM

[Blue roan lily]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 May 2025 - 10:29 AM, said:

You'll note I didn't use any of those slurs though, Mark.

I simply asked someone zealously boasting support and membership of a party vying to be the official opposition what policies they had beyond the 'stop the boats' slogans he chose to quote when it's NHS policy was interrogated.

As witnessed the repeated responses were as evasive as they were predictable.

So you've a choice to make; how long do you value seeing the traditional parties suffer - including my own which quite rightly received a political pasting despite pathetic attempts to pretend otherwise - over the rise of one with which you largely disagree? How long do you celebrate their embarrassment instead of challenging what Reform will do to you and yours'?

And I'll finish with an anecdote you can choose to believe or not.

Last week my work led to an encounter with an old lady. An old lady who lives across from where a new estate is being built. An old lady who'd been led to believe some of the high end housing going up would be handed to migrants.

An old lady who was genuinely scared as a result.

But it was gibberish. Nonsense. A cynical lie peddled by someone, somewhere, to scare that old lady.

I intend to call out those lies whenever they're peddled - what do you intend to do....?

Whether it was gibberish or not.
The real question is, once the hotels etc are all full where will the continuing bombardment of these invaders be housed?
The numbers have increased year on year to now record levels.
If Starmer continues to sit on his hands perhaps new builds will be the only option?

[Bonnyman]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 May 2025 - 10:29 AM, said:

You'll note I didn't use any of those slurs though, Mark.

I simply asked someone zealously boasting support and membership of a party vying to be the official opposition what policies they had beyond the 'stop the boats' slogans he chose to quote when it's NHS policy was interrogated.

As witnessed the repeated responses were as evasive as they were predictable.

So you've a choice to make; how long do you value seeing the traditional parties suffer - including my own which quite rightly received a political pasting despite pathetic attempts to pretend otherwise - over the rise of one with which you largely disagree? How long do you celebrate their embarrassment instead of challenging what Reform will do to you and yours'?

And I'll finish with an anecdote you can choose to believe or not.

Last week my work led to an encounter with an old lady. An old lady who lives across from where a new estate is being built. An old lady who'd been led to believe some of the high end housing going up would be handed to migrants.

An old lady who was genuinely scared as a result.

But it was gibberish. Nonsense. A cynical lie peddled by someone, somewhere, to scare that old lady.

I intend to call out those lies whenever they're peddled - what do you intend to do....?

I bet house prices have sky rocketed if you live near the sandpiper, bet everyone is in negative equity

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[isleaiw1]

 Bonnyman, on 02 May 2025 - 11:05 AM, said:

I bet house prices have sky rocketed if you live near the sandpiper, bet everyone is in negative equity

I believe there is a hotel near St Albans housing migrants but I haven't noticed house prices in that vicinity dropping. Maybe you could do some research and post facts instead of vacuous crap with no substance (on the football forum as well as the personal one to be fair!)

[Valley Blues]

 isleaiw1, on 02 May 2025 - 11:14 AM, said:

I believe there is a hotel near St Albans housing migrants but I haven't noticed house prices in that vicinity dropping. Maybe you could do some research and post facts instead of vacuous crap with no substance (on the football forum as well as the personal one to be fair!)

You believing there is a hotel housing migrants and you not noticing house prices in that vicinity dropping is hardly a statement based upon facts.

[Mr Mercury]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 May 2025 - 10:29 AM, said:

I intend to call out those lies whenever they're peddled - what do you intend to do....?

What lies have I posted?
Anyhow…
Labour refuse, to see the wood for the trees on illegal immigration,
thankfully theres now a political party who can and they’ll call it out whenever they see people deny the severity of the issue. And it seems millions of potential voters are glad of it.

[Bonnyman]

 isleaiw1, on 02 May 2025 - 11:14 AM, said:

I believe there is a hotel near St Albans housing migrants but I haven't noticed house prices in that vicinity dropping. Maybe you could do some research and post facts instead of vacuous crap with no substance (on the football forum as well as the personal one to be fair!)

Very easy to find on the net that studies have shown in less densely populated areas, house prices have fallen due to the countries disastrous open border policy as for yourself a few paragraphs of opinion on bobs board football section is probably the pinnacle of your involvement in the game

[Burgerman]

 The Earl of Chesterfield, on 02 May 2025 - 10:29 AM, said:

You'll note I didn't use any of those slurs though, Mark.

I simply asked someone zealously boasting support and membership of a party vying to be the official opposition what policies they had beyond the 'stop the boats' slogans he chose to quote when it's NHS policy was interrogated.

As witnessed the repeated responses were as evasive as they were predictable.

So you've a choice to make; how long do you value seeing the traditional parties suffer - including my own which quite rightly received a political pasting despite pathetic attempts to pretend otherwise - over the rise of one with which you largely disagree? How long do you celebrate their embarrassment instead of challenging what Reform will do to you and yours'?

And I'll finish with an anecdote you can choose to believe or not.

Last week my work led to an encounter with an old lady. An old lady who lives across from where a new estate is being built. An old lady who'd been led to believe some of the high end housing going up would be handed to migrants.

An old lady who was genuinely scared as a result.

But it was gibberish. Nonsense. A cynical lie peddled by someone, somewhere, to scare that old lady.

I intend to call out those lies whenever they're peddled - what do you intend to do....?

Reform's main focus is without doubt immigration, anyone who doesn't see that must be blind. Their policies on the NHS, Education, Social Care, Transport etc. are just soundbites. Now, it may just be me and maybe I am not seeing things the same as everyone else but I don't honestly think all those people who voted Reform yesterday are invested in their policies other than immigration?

Asking Mark about what he thinks about Reforms vision of the NHS, and all the rest of it is shying away from what the real ink on the page say's. Its all about uncontrolled, mass immigration and how its crushing the Treasury. Illegal immigrants are costing us £Bn's and the last government and more importantly this one is saying there is no money left to improve social care, the NHS (which in my opinion needs a massive overhaul), public services etc. The public are saying "Hey, just stop the boats, halt mass immigration and use the money elsewhere".

I doubt Reform will form a government in my lifetime, but if they do then those who voted for them won't be to blame, the blame will sit squarely on the shoulders of those who failed, sorry REFUSED to listen. The debate isn't what Reform stand for, its why won't the governments past and present listen.

Edit: I personally don’t think calling out their lies is going to bring back those who are abandoning Labour and the Tories. Their interests lay elsewhere.

This post has been edited by Burgerman: 02 May 2025 - 12:02 PM