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#21 User is online   calvin plummers socks 

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Posted 21 April 2025 - 09:54 AM

View PostBurgerman, on 21 April 2025 - 09:42 AM, said:

I don’t the Kirk brothers are crooks nor idiots. Admittedly we were run by a crook and an idiot but it’s not continuous. Unless you know something I don’t.


Don’t be silly now - not every club not every owner ……..
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:06 AM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 21 April 2025 - 09:36 AM, said:

Why is football run continuously by idiots and crooks?

Not sure continuously is the correct word! Try sometimes
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:45 AM

View Postrodney, on 21 April 2025 - 10:06 AM, said:

Not sure continuously is the correct word! Try sometimes


Continuously as in there’s always a club somewhere run by crooks or idiots - it’s grammatically correct I assure you lol
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 12:52 PM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 21 April 2025 - 10:45 AM, said:

Continuously as in there’s always a club somewhere run by crooks or idiots - it’s grammatically correct I assure you lol

Am sure that most posters who read your comment knew exactly what you meant, it’s a shame certain posters follow you round and try to pick fault in your every comment as some kind of willy waving exercise

Football has attracted dubious owners and investors with nefarious intentions for years simply because of the amount of money involved and some of the loopholes that could be exploited.

Thankfully their intentions usually come to the surface and they get outed one way or another, usually leaving a mess in their wake.
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 02:40 PM

View Postcalvin plummers socks, on 21 April 2025 - 10:45 AM, said:

Continuously as in there’s always a club somewhere run by crooks or idiots - it’s grammatically correct I assure you lol

You’re 100% right not sure why folk are trying to pick fault with what you said lol
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 08:25 PM

View PostBald magician, on 21 April 2025 - 08:45 AM, said:

Without knowing all the details it sounds like a Rock and a hard place vote

It seems like a vote between handing over control to someone who will definitely destroy the club, or not.

View Postazul, on 20 April 2025 - 05:39 PM, said:

57 players made at least one appearance for them.

1200+ there yesterday and 4th highest average in league of 870 + those full house friendlies.

Shameful really but if they don't do an Ilkeston and go pop, they'll probably still get good crowds next season as they never dipped thought out the season.

I’ve heard a director of another non-league club express strong suspicions that the attendances are being over-reported. Not sure why.
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 08:28 PM

That would be a strange and pointless thing to do!
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 09:01 PM

View PostSiberian Spireite, on 21 April 2025 - 08:25 PM, said:

It seems like a vote between handing over control to someone who will definitely destroy the club, or not.


I’ve heard a director of another non-league club express strong suspicions that the attendances are being over-reported. Not sure why.


So they can get investigated by HMRC for under reporting revenue :unsure:

Think this director is just jealous. I go often when CFC are away and it is clear that the crowds have grown year on year for the last few years. Just try to get a beer at HT these days in a timely fashion and that is with a high tech ordering system and pre-poured pints

However the rumour I have heard is that there are too may freebies being handed out but I have no idea if that is true or not
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 09:17 PM

View Postazul, on 21 April 2025 - 09:01 PM, said:

So they can get investigated by HMRC for under reporting revenue :unsure:

Think this director is just jealous. I go often when CFC are away and it is clear that the crowds have grown year on year for the last few years. Just try to get a beer at HT these days in a timely fashion and that is with a high tech ordering system and pre-poured pints

However the rumour I have heard is that there are too may freebies being handed out but I have no idea if that is true or not

Dunno how it works with HMRC but the only reasons I can fathom for exaggerating attendances would be to attract sponsors or investors.
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 09:25 PM

View PostSiberian Spireite, on 21 April 2025 - 09:17 PM, said:

Dunno how it works with HMRC but the only reasons I can fathom for exaggerating attendances would be to attract sponsors or investors.

If attendances were being exaggerated at any club, I would like to see if there was a proportionate increase in revenue and also understand how funds came into a club.

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Posted 21 April 2025 - 09:32 PM

View PostBlue5, on 21 April 2025 - 09:25 PM, said:

If attendances were being exaggerated at any club, I would like to see if there was a proportionate increase in revenue and also understand how funds came into a club.

Sounds like you suggesting money laundering?
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 09:35 PM

View Postazul, on 21 April 2025 - 09:32 PM, said:

Sounds like you suggesting money laundering?


He's just saying it's a possibility via such means.
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 09:39 PM

View PostWestbars Spireite, on 21 April 2025 - 09:35 PM, said:

He's just saying it's a possibility via such means.

Yes
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:03 PM

View PostSiberian Spireite, on 21 April 2025 - 09:17 PM, said:

Dunno how it works with HMRC but the only reasons I can fathom for exaggerating attendances would be to attract sponsors or investors.

It could be a marketing ploy where you try to convince those not involved that the product is popular because it is very good - and they are missing out by not joining in. If low attendances were reported those not involved might think why should they bother going - given not many others are.
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:12 PM

View PostTha Knows..., on 21 April 2025 - 10:03 PM, said:

It could be a marketing ploy where you try to convince those not involved that the product is popular because it is very good - and they are missing out by not joining in. If low attendances were reported those not involved might think why should they bother going - given not many others are.

This is Matlock Town, their sponsors are typically the local micro brewery.
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 10:34 PM

Was referring to attendances ie attracting fans, not sponsors.
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Posted 21 April 2025 - 11:16 PM

View PostTha Knows..., on 21 April 2025 - 10:34 PM, said:

Was referring to attendances ie attracting fans, not sponsors.


I see
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Posted 22 April 2025 - 05:38 AM

View Postazul, on 21 April 2025 - 09:02 AM, said:

I was under the impression they had already agreed the ownership model back before Christmas without knowing the owner (officially). Seems daft to have another one after he has allegedly pushed a great deal of money the clubs way. Don't see much good coming out of voting against the model now as that will come at a price if he has put real money into the club.


Correct, it was agreed at the AGM in February

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Posted 23 April 2025 - 01:23 PM

View PostBenno Spire, on 20 April 2025 - 05:04 PM, said:

Might sound daft but if as looks likely Matlock are relegated would their level be deemed to low to play a PSF? Hope not
Nobody can be deemed 'too low' other football league clubs play against step 5/6 teams at their places to generate income for the clubs to make it through the winter months when gates drop off a cliff. Personally i would be disappointed if we didnt have a fixture with Matlock in pre season. If we get it on a Saturday its a brilliant day out and normally decent weather. Plus gets 2000 odd fans through their gate and money in their pockets.
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Posted 24 April 2025 - 04:23 PM

Here's the email that was sent to Matlock's members recently. The convicted fraudster David Hilton has gone from wanting 75% to wanting the lot, and has given them until tomorrow lunchtime to decide. The good news is that if they say no, he's prepared to write off the £200k he reckons to have put in as a donation. Posted Image


Members,

We would like to express our sincere gratitude for the support that you haveall given the club over the course of an extremely difficult season.

We are all devastated to learn that a pending points deduction to be issuedimminently (as per recent press release), due to an administration error fromour club secretary in respect of the fixture away at Hyde United, has sealed analready-likely relegation.

This email has been issued to all members in order to obtain votes to determinethe direction of the club moving forward.

As most of you are aware, David Hilton came into the club in October last yearwith the club already adrift in the league table, suffering heavy defeats andwith a caretaker manager and players not of the level brought in by theprevious manager and then soon to be outgoing chairman.

All but two of these players had been issued contracts approved by the formerchairman without full knowledge of the board. As a board of directors with onlythe club's best interests at heart, we recognised the situation the club hadfound itself in and how this would have a catastrophic effect on the footballand financial position moving forward.

The board brought in Mr Hilton to assist and quickly removed the chairman fromhis position at the club.

Despite over £200,000 of investment from Mr Hilton since October to helpre-establish the club's strong financial position, and completely rebuilding aplaying squad with some excellent players, unfortunately we failed with theultimate goal of survival in the Northern Premier League Premier Division.

The large turnover of players was going to be inevitable given that we weremainly taking players on loan or out of favour with form or fitness issues.This was also due to trying to assemble a squad part way through a campaign andthen hoping they would gel quickly.

The club also has a current issue with the cricket club and the shared boundaryrequiring significant financial investment to remedy. This is to enable groundimprovements that eventually would be needed to progress the club due to groundgrading requirements.

We also have the issue of rising costs which are slowly crippling the club andwhich will negatively impact the only place that costs can be cut, the playingbudget.

We are also a board of directors that, whilst at present committed to the club,also have lives and jobs of our own and unfortunately the time it takes andcosts to all board members financially to run a football club has a massiveimpact on our day to day lives.

Moving forward we have two options to take the club forward. Mr Hilton haskindly confirmed that the significant investment he has put into the club is adonation, even if the members' decision is to proceed without him.

Option A

Due to complexities in the original agreement, along with significantunforeseen imminent costs to be met, holding back 25 per cent of the club'sshares for members is no longer on the table.

The members now need to decide whether the club has an outright owner andfinancial backer to drive the club forward, improve the facilities and dealwith all pressing matters at the club on a full time basis.

This could also mean a board and staff restructuring process. Mr Hilton hasagreed to take the club forward and continue to invest in the club and itsfacilities but only if it is what supporters want to happen. The core of theexisting playing squad, such as Liam Ravenhill, Montel Gibson, Adam Clayton,Fouad Bachirou, Josh Granite and Cameron Wilson have confirmed they will remainloyal to Mr Hilton and the club despite the level we will be at.

He has already held numerous meetings with the Cricket Board and Club toresolve the boundary issue and has offered significant investment to them, alsoto allow for our club to progress whilst improving our facility to a four-sidedground.

He has great contacts within football and business and a level of wealth thatallowed him to gift our club over £200,000 in six months without complaint.

Option A is to vote in favour of David Hilton taking full 100 per centownership of the club, moving forward with significant financial Investment andto be somebody focused full-time on Matlock Town Football Club.


Option B

The club would remain a fan-led club and its future progress will be governedby funds raised and generated by volunteers.

This will require a significant amount of time and potentially finances whenunforeseen events arise and a commitment like no other. We would need a boardrestructure, because we as the current board are in favour of the takeover(Option A).

We also have issues such as staffing, including a retiring groundsman to bereplaced and pitch works to fund and this option would mean a full squadrebuild, with all players leaving with undoubtedly a significantly lowerplaying budget for the forthcoming season.

There is new kit to purchase along with ground improvements and a suitabletraining facility to be found. This is only a fraction of what will be requiredfrom any newly-formed board of directors.

Option B is to vote in favour of the club continuing to be fan-led withoutinvestment and requiring supporters to form a new board of directors to takethe club forward.

All votes are to be sent via reply of email to this email address.

**If there are multiple members covered by the same e-mail address, pleaseensure all votes are covered on the same reply**

To reiterate - we have two options to take the club forward and Mr Hilton haskindly confirmed that the significant investment he has put into the club is adonation, even if the members' decision is to proceed without him.

All votes are to be received by 12pm on Friday 25th April.


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