[Misnomer]

Search & Destroy, on 16 April 2025 - 03:18 PM, said:

Labour smashing the records

705 yesterday beating Fridays record

Roaming around Whitwell now taking photos and stalking on girls on local playgrounds

I'm amazed they haven't been sparked out. That said, this summer is going to be interesting.

[isleaiw1]

PontePete, on 16 April 2025 - 02:03 PM, said:

You obviously know the business better than anyone on here so will no doubt correct me if this doesn’t sound right but I was at a meeting with a client of mine last week and they are in the industrial laundry business, serving many big independents as well as hotel chains.

He tells me a customer of his with a 90 room hotel in Lancashire is paid £145 per night per room by the Government to take the whole hotel for asylum seekers. They get the price per room whether every room is occupied or not. This has to be the agreement as the hotel is shut to the general public.

So 400k a month. Obviously no idea what profit level is on that, but I imagine it’s quite tidy. Nice work if you can get it.

I imagine at that price they are providing food, welfare and security - which doesn't come cheap given the interest in the properties. Probably 2 or 3 to a room,4 x security 24x7, and costs of maintenance and repairs, as well as the staff to manage 200 people.

And completely screwed by the insurers who assume these guests will cook on open flames every day and burn the place down..

At 90 rooms, with all those costs, might make a million a year less rent... so possibly half a million?

As I say all depends on the deal and property costs. Not all hotels make a profit in normal trade, funnily enough...

Search & Destroy, on 16 April 2025 - 03:18 PM, said:

Labour smashing the records

705 yesterday beating Fridays record

Roaming around Whitwell now taking photos and stalking on girls on local playgrounds

Have you proof of that or just casting g aspersions. If proof,contact police as they generally jump quicker for these people than other known criminals in my experience..

If no proof, shut up and stop being racist.

[Painted Wagon]

Search & Destroy, on 16 April 2025 - 03:18 PM, said:

Labour smashing the records

705 yesterday beating Fridays record

Roaming around Whitwell now taking photos and stalking on girls on local playgrounds

The country is lost. No way back now

At least after today we know finally what a woman is.

This post has been edited by Painted Wagon: 16 April 2025 - 07:01 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

Labour seem to be self harming….. what they are doing is just inexplicable in my mind.


Who’s advising number 10? What do they stand for? What’s the political direction? What are they trying to accomplish?


I have no idea what Labour are doing, apart from alienating working class people and recruiting for Farage.


Can anyone say what Labour stand for, what they want to achieve, what the direction of policy?

[Mr Mercury]

Wooden Spoon, on 16 April 2025 - 07:38 PM, said:

Labour seem to be self harming….. what they are doing is just inexplicable in my mind.


Who’s advising number 10? What do they stand for? What’s the political direction? What are they trying to accomplish?


I have no idea what Labour are doing, apart from alienating working class people and recruiting for Farage.


Can anyone say what Labour stand for, what they want to achieve, what the direction of policy?

It’s back to the party being run by the Metropolitan elite who live in a bubble and have absolutely zero interest in the ordinary people of this country. Farage and Tice have been all over the country this last week spreading the message of Reform and campaigning in county after county. I’ve seen virtually nothing for Starmer, he certainly hasn’t got the nerve to go walk about and visit ordinary folk, tbh neither has any of the front bench. It’s almost similar to the last election we’re shadow Home Secretary Dianne Abbott was awol due to her being capable of a major foot in mouth moment, Starmer is being kept away from the election build up because they party recognise, that amongst the working class in particular, he is now viewed as absolutely toxic. Here we’ve had absolutely nothing from the local Labour Party even suggesting there’s a vote on May 1st.
Up until a cpl of weeks ago I expected Reform to do very well in the locals but not as well as expected, and for Labour to do poorly but nowhere near as bad as expected, now I’m beginning to think it will be an absolute Labour blood bath. They genuinely don’t seem interested, almost as though, sod you, the British people, you’ve got us for another four years so we don’t care what you think.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 16 April 2025 - 07:48 PM

[isleaiw1]

Wooden Spoon, on 16 April 2025 - 07:38 PM, said:

Labour seem to be self harming….. what they are doing is just inexplicable in my mind.


Who’s advising number 10? What do they stand for? What’s the political direction? What are they trying to accomplish?


I have no idea what Labour are doing, apart from alienating working class people and recruiting for Farage.


Can anyone say what Labour stand for, what they want to achieve, what the direction of policy?

Will get even worse when every man and his dog goes on strike this summer....whatever support they had should disintegrate then...

[Wooden Spoon]

Your first and last sentence sum up a lot I think - but what is it they are trying to do in between?

This post has been edited by Wooden Spoon: 16 April 2025 - 07:51 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

isleaiw1, on 16 April 2025 - 07:50 PM, said:

Will get even worse when every man and his dog goes on strike this summer....whatever support they had should disintegrate then...

I think it already has. Literally no one I speak to has anything positive to say about them. Just anger.


I’d love to know who’s Starmers closest advisors are

[Mr Mercury]

isleaiw1, on 16 April 2025 - 07:50 PM, said:

Will get even worse when every man and his dog goes on strike this summer....whatever support they had should disintegrate then...

Leader of Unite not ruling out yesterday bin strikes spreading to the rest of the country, that’d go down well!

[Spire-ite]

Mr Mercury, on 16 April 2025 - 08:04 PM, said:

Leader of Unite not ruling out yesterday bin strikes spreading to the rest of the country, that’d go down well!

A repeat of Callaghan again? Winter of discontent 2

[PontePete]

isleaiw1, on 16 April 2025 - 06:36 PM, said:

I imagine at that price they are providing food, welfare and security - which doesn't come cheap given the interest in the properties. Probably 2 or 3 to a room,4 x security 24x7, and costs of maintenance and repairs, as well as the staff to manage 200 people.

And completely screwed by the insurers who assume these guests will cook on open flames every day and burn the place down..

At 90 rooms, with all those costs, might make a million a year less rent... so possibly half a million?

As I say all depends on the deal and property costs. Not all hotels make a profit in normal trade, funnily enough...

A-ha, that's called 'underwriting' my friend (and I'm a broker not an insurer, but I can see why an insurer would want an increased premium in this scenario), you may or may not be familiar with the term 'Moral Hazard' that is used in the insurance industry? Think insuring an unoccupied building in an area with a high crime rate/antisocial behaviour, insuring a car whose owner has previous drink driving convictions etc

And as my old boss used to say in my very first insurance job, if they don't like the premium tell the client they do have another choice, they can always self insure if they wish. I suspect in this scenario though, the rewards will more than cover the increased premium and then some, otherwise said hotelier wouldn't be doing it.

This post has been edited by PontePete: 16 April 2025 - 08:16 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury, on 16 April 2025 - 08:04 PM, said:

Leader of Unite not ruling out yesterday bin strikes spreading to the rest of the country, that’d go down well!

Can you justify not giving a pay rise to uk workers while spending 6 billion on housing not deporting foreign criminals and migrants?


Who can say a council worker isn’t justified in a strike for workers rights when the eye watering costs are absorbed without question


Who actually lives here? Who actually are the population of the tax payers?

[Wooden Spoon]

isleaiw1, on 16 April 2025 - 06:36 PM, said:

I imagine at that price they are providing food, welfare and security - which doesn't come cheap given the interest in the properties. Probably 2 or 3 to a room,4 x security 24x7, and costs of maintenance and repairs, as well as the staff to manage 200 people.

And completely screwed by the insurers who assume these guests will cook on open flames every day and burn the place down..

At 90 rooms, with all those costs, might make a million a year less rent... so possibly half a million?

As I say all depends on the deal and property costs. Not all hotels make a profit in normal trade, funnily enough...



Have you proof of that or just casting g aspersions. If proof,contact police as they generally jump quicker for these people than other known criminals in my experience..

If no proof, shut up and stop being racist.

I don’t know S+D but maybe he’s from whitwell?


Why is your first response to shout “he’s a wirch” rather than ask is that a real thing?

[Wooden Spoon]

Labour now forced to back track on this years Normandy campaign costs for veterans, was going to be capped but now back tracked after ministers had previously approved these cuts

[Mr Mercury]

Wooden Spoon, on 16 April 2025 - 11:26 PM, said:

Can you justify not giving a pay rise to uk workers while spending 6 billion on housing not deporting foreign criminals and migrants?


Who can say a council worker isn’t justified in a strike for workers rights when the eye watering costs are absorbed without question


Who actually lives here? Who actually are the population of the tax payers?

In this instance I totally agree with their grievance and need to take action if it’s true that many employees risk losing up to £8k a year, whilst the Labour councillors have given themselves a hefty pay increase whilst spending untold millions on allowing illegal immigration to soar uncontrollably. It just adds fuel to the fire that for some inexplicable reason Labour have an hidden agenda.

This post has been edited by Mr Mercury: 17 April 2025 - 07:01 AM

[Burgerman]

The RCN are beginning to get tetchy, the Pay Review Body’s report was delivered to the government late last week, but details on the 2025/26 NHS pay awards still haven’t been confirmed.

It won't take much for them to down tools and strike knowing the government will fold to their demands.

isleaiw1, on 16 April 2025 - 06:36 PM, said:

Have you proof of that or just casting g aspersions. If proof,contact police as they generally jump quicker for these people than other known criminals in my experience..

What experience is that, Ian?

[oldgoat]

Burgerman, on 17 April 2025 - 08:43 AM, said:

The RCN are beginning to get tetchy, the Pay Review Body’s report was delivered to the government late last week, but details on the 2025/26 NHS pay awards still haven’t been confirmed.

It won't take much for them to down tools and strike knowing the government will fold to their demands.



What experience is that, Ian?

The RCN really annoy me , I retired just after xmas after nursing since 1986 , had always been in Unison as I couldn't get my head around the idea that your union rep could be a manager .
They always looked down on the other unions , unison had a vote in 2011 to see if people would strike , I voted yes so lost a day's pay as no point voting and not followingit up . Roll on 10 years plus and the RCN finally realise the tory government had been shafting us and they decided to strike !

[oldgoat]

Burgerman, on 17 April 2025 - 08:43 AM, said:

The RCN are beginning to get tetchy, the Pay Review Body’s report was delivered to the government late last week, but details on the 2025/26 NHS pay awards still haven’t been confirmed.

It won't take much for them to down tools and strike knowing the government will fold to their demands.



What experience is that, Ian?

The RCN really annoy me , I retired just after xmas after nursing since 1986 , had always been in Unison as I couldn't get my head around the idea that your union rep could be a manager .
They always looked down on the other unions , unison had a vote in 2011 to see if people would strike , I voted yes so lost a day's pay as no point voting and not followingit up . Roll on 10 years plus and the RCN finally realise the tory government had been shafting us and they decided to strike !

[Burgerman]

oldgoat, on 17 April 2025 - 09:22 AM, said:

The RCN really annoy me , I retired just after xmas after nursing since 1986 , had always been in Unison as I couldn't get my head around the idea that your union rep could be a manager .
They always looked down on the other unions , unison had a vote in 2011 to see if people would strike , I voted yes so lost a day's pay as no point voting and not followingit up . Roll on 10 years plus and the RCN finally realise the tory government had been shafting us and they decided to strike !

It looks like they will pounce on the Labour government as well if the offer isn't higher than inflation.

[The Jolly Friar]

isleaiw1, on 16 April 2025 - 06:36 PM, said:

I imagine at that price they are providing food, welfare and security - which doesn't come cheap given the interest in the properties. Probably 2 or 3 to a room,4 x security 24x7, and costs of maintenance and repairs, as well as the staff to manage 200 people.

And completely screwed by the insurers who assume these guests will cook on open flames every day and burn the place down..

At 90 rooms, with all those costs, might make a million a year less rent... so possibly half a million?

As I say all depends on the deal and property costs. Not all hotels make a profit in normal trade, funnily enough...



Have you proof of that or just casting g aspersions. If proof,contact police as they generally jump quicker for these people than other known criminals in my experience..

If no proof, shut up and stop being racist.

This post has been edited by The Jolly Friar: 17 April 2025 - 10:01 AM