[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury, on 14 April 2025 - 08:17 PM, said:

He hadnt, but had his family? And how did they arrive in the UK and who helped? Questions that could be part of another cover up, couldn’t they?

His family came from Rwanda at the time the Tutsi and Hutu were committing genocide with machetes.


A fair claim for asylum. Why have you left you home country? Because we’d have been killed by machete wielding maniacs.


The fact that their son turned out to be a knife wielding maniac I don’t think is down to the status of their immigration


Sometimes you just get evil twisted mentally ill people.

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[Mr Mercury]

Wooden Spoon, on 14 April 2025 - 08:28 PM, said:

His family came from Rwanda at the time the Tutsi and Hutu were committing genocide with machetes.


A fair claim for asylum. Why have you left you home country? Because we’d have been killed by machete wielding maniacs.


The fact that their son turned out to be a knife wielding maniac I don’t think is down to the status of their immigration


Sometimes you just get evil twisted mentally ill people.

Wernt they alleged to have been part of those committing the genocide and fled when things like that were coming to light?

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury, on 14 April 2025 - 08:39 PM, said:

Wernt they alleged to have been part of those committing the genocide and fled when things like that were coming to light?

It was alleged but the family that was linked to Starmer and the immigration court case you’re talking about had a similar sounding but different spelling surname.


Social media fake news that one.

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[clarevoyant.]

Wooden Spoon, on 14 April 2025 - 08:28 PM, said:

His family came from Rwanda at the time the Tutsi and Hutu were committing genocide with machetes.


A fair claim for asylum. Why have you left you home country? Because we’d have been killed by machete wielding maniacs.


The fact that their son turned out to be a knife wielding maniac I don’t think is down to the status of their immigration


Sometimes you just get evil twisted mentally ill people.

Pity his parents did nowt about their sons obvious problems. In my book, they as parents are culpable.

Where are they know and at whose cost?

[Wooden Spoon]

clarevoyant., on 14 April 2025 - 09:07 PM, said:

Pity his parents did nowt about their sons obvious problems. In my book, they as parents are culpable.

Where are they know and at whose cost?

Different type of question for a different problem.



I’m just saying the immigration status that has been put out there isn’t correct

[clarevoyant.]

Wooden Spoon, on 14 April 2025 - 09:11 PM, said:

Different type of question for a different problem.



I’m just saying the immigration status that has been put out there isn’t correct

You've lost me.

Do you think the parents are culpable in turning a blind eye?

[Wooden Spoon]

clarevoyant., on 14 April 2025 - 09:20 PM, said:

You've lost me.

Do you think the parents are culpable in turning a blind eye?

That has nothing to do with their migration status and how many parents a blind when their kids are doingn ring stuff?


It was all edged earlier about the migrant status and Rwanda war crimes- I just clarified that.

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[clarevoyant.]

Wooden Spoon, on 14 April 2025 - 09:26 PM, said:

That has nothing to do with their migration status and how many parents a blind when their kids are doingn ring stuff?


It was all edged earlier about the migrant status and Rwanda war crimes- I just clarified that.

OK, I'll make it a specific question :-
Do you fell the parents are partly culpable for this tragedy due to their failings to recognise or take appropriate action regarding their sons obsessions?

[Wooden Spoon]

clarevoyant., on 14 April 2025 - 09:57 PM, said:

OK, I'll make it a specific question :-
Do you fell the parents are partly culpable for this tragedy due to their failings to recognise or take appropriate action regarding their sons obsessions?

Possibly.


Without knowing what actions the parents did or didn’t take it’s impossible to say isn’t it.

[clarevoyant.]

Wooden Spoon, on 15 April 2025 - 05:49 AM, said:

Possibly.


Without knowing what actions the parents did or didn’t take it’s impossible to say isn’t it.

Answered (or not) like a current day politician.


"Possibly"

We all saw TV footage of the Al Quieda paraphernalia, the video nasties, the weapons etc in his bedroom, a bedroom probably separated from his parents by 2 pieces of plasterboard and a 2 inch cavity. His parents knew dam well what he was doing.

You can't argue his parents were thick, they navigated themselves from Africa and then escaped from Wales holding down jobs.They new dam well what was happening.

You're right we don't know what actions they took, if any, but we do do know they weren't very successful (or were they in their perspective?).

They should be brought to book in the public domain if for no other reason than educate parents that they have a responsibility for their off springs upbringing and actions and not be rewarded with a cozy life in some safe house at OUR EXPENSE.

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[calvin plummers socks]

clarevoyant., on 15 April 2025 - 08:23 AM, said:

Answered (or not) like a current day politician.


"Possibly"

We all saw TV footage of the Al Quieda paraphernalia, the video nasties, the weapons etc in his bedroom, a bedroom probably separated from his parents by 2 pieces of plasterboard and a 2 inch cavity. His parents knew dam well what he was doing.

You can't argue his parents were thick, they navigated themselves from Africa and then escaped from Wales holding down jobs.They new dam well what was happening.

You're right we don't know what actions they took, if any, but we do do know they weren't very successful (or were they in their perspective?).

They should be brought to book in the public domain if for no other reason than educate parents that they have a responsibility for their off springs upbringing and actions and not be rewarded with a cozy life in some safe house at OUR EXPENSE.

I guess that becomes a rocky road - are parents to be brought to book for football hooligans/ shoplifters/ alcoholics/ golfers / rapitsta etc etc ?

[Wooden Spoon]

clarevoyant., on 15 April 2025 - 08:23 AM, said:

Answered (or not) like a current day politician.


"Possibly"

We all saw TV footage of the Al Quieda paraphernalia, the video nasties, the weapons etc in his bedroom, a bedroom probably separated from his parents by 2 pieces of plasterboard and a 2 inch cavity. His parents knew dam well what he was doing.

You can't argue his parents were thick, they navigated themselves from Africa and then escaped from Wales holding down jobs.They new dam well what was happening.

You're right we don't know what actions they took, if any, but we do do know they weren't very successful (or were they in their perspective?).

They should be brought to book in the public domain if for no other reason than educate parents that they have a responsibility for their off springs upbringing and actions and not be rewarded with a cozy life in some safe house at OUR EXPENSE.

Do you know if his parents were the ones who reported him to prevent?

[clarevoyant.]

Wooden Spoon, on 15 April 2025 - 07:01 PM, said:

Do you know if his parents were the ones who reported him to prevent?

No. I've no idea but they must have had enough incriminating evidence to promote a response from the authorities. Perhaps even an observant neighbour may have expressed concerns. Who knows? If anyone did do such a public spirited thing it wouldn't be made public anyway.

Having asked the (deflecting) question, do you know?

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[Wooden Spoon]

clarevoyant., on 15 April 2025 - 10:56 PM, said:

No. I've no idea but they must have had enough incriminating evidence to promote a response from the authorities. Perhaps even an observant neighbour may have expressed concerns. Who knows? If anyone did do such a public spirited thing it wouldn't be made public anyway.

Having asked the (deflecting) question, do you know?

Exactly.


You’ve no idea, and neither do I do beyond saying possibly we can’t say for sure can we

[Misnomer]

clarevoyant., on 15 April 2025 - 08:23 AM, said:

Answered (or not) like a current day politician.


"Possibly"

We all saw TV footage of the Al Quieda paraphernalia, the video nasties, the weapons etc in his bedroom, a bedroom probably separated from his parents by 2 pieces of plasterboard and a 2 inch cavity. His parents knew dam well what he was doing.

You can't argue his parents were thick, they navigated themselves from Africa and then escaped from Wales holding down jobs.They new dam well what was happening.

You're right we don't know what actions they took, if any, but we do do know they weren't very successful (or were they in their perspective?).

They should be brought to book in the public domain if for no other reason than educate parents that they have a responsibility for their off springs upbringing and actions and not be rewarded with a cozy life in some safe house at OUR EXPENSE.

Speaking of Al Quaeda

The ringleader of the terror plot to blow up the Blue Water shopping centre, has just been released, and is a free citizen in our country 👍🏻 despite the judge at the time saying, he was never to be released....

[clarevoyant.]

Wooden Spoon, on 16 April 2025 - 06:45 AM, said:

Exactly.


You’ve no idea, and neither do I do beyond saying possibly we can’t say for sure can we

Oh dear. Maybe you should go and have a coffee with Della Street (you may have to Google that).
So if and it's a big if,they did go to 'prevent' isn't that an admittance they had failed as parents anyway. He didn't aquire all that dodgy stuff over night, he didn't listen to all the videos in silence. Would any right minded parent allow such activities?

They should be answering questions over their obvious failings in public, if for no other reason than as a deterrent to others who may feel partaking in such activities is part of some ethnic culture. And they definitely shouldn't be living in some cozy safe house at thine and mine expense.

[Misnomer]

clarevoyant., on 16 April 2025 - 08:29 AM, said:

Oh dear. Maybe you should go and have a coffee with Della Street (you may have to Google that).
So if and it's a big if,they did go to 'prevent' isn't that an admittance they had failed as parents anyway. He didn't aquire all that dodgy stuff over night, he didn't listen to all the videos in silence. Would any right minded parent allow such activities?

They should be answering questions over their obvious failings in public, if for no other reason than as a deterrent to others who may feel partaking in such activities is part of some ethnic culture. And they definitely shouldn't be living in some cozy safe house at thine and mine expense.

They knew all about it because, the school had them in for several meetings about his behaviour; the police were aware of his behaviour; he was on the terror watch list. His parents knew exactly what was going on. The lad openly talked about white genocide.

[Bonnyman]

calvin plummers socks, on 15 April 2025 - 09:33 AM, said:

I guess that becomes a rocky road - are parents to be brought to book for football hooligans/ shoplifters/ alcoholics/ golfers / rapitsta etc etc ?

Is golfers some kind of typo

[The Jolly Friar]

calvin plummers socks, on 15 April 2025 - 09:33 AM, said:

I guess that becomes a rocky road - are parents to be brought to book for football hooligans/ shoplifters/ alcoholics/ golfers / rapitsta etc etc ?

Since when have football hooligans/ shoplifters/ alcoholics/ golfers / rapitsta etc etc ? planted bombs to murder innocent people? Jeez you are dumb.

While I'm here, can you tell the board why you refuse to use the term Pakistami Muslims and as you won't tell us about your new job - your prerogative of course - I will assume you are no longer a practising physio. Fair enough?

[clarevoyant.]

Wooden Spoon, on 16 April 2025 - 06:45 AM, said:

Exactly.


You’ve no idea, and neither do I do beyond saying possibly we can’t say for sure can we

My conclusion.

The parents knew and didn't do enough (owt) and are now living at our expense.

Could it be likened to all the many good people who attend 'gatherings' at mosques and have a inkling who the few wrong uns arein their mosques, but again stay stum. Is this a version of a culture 'we have to welcome"?