[Spireite93]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 April 2025 - 09:12 PM, said:

Everton’s u21 player of the season last year.
After the way he has finished his season here I’d say there was fat chance and no chance we could sign him. Unless Everton were generous enough to send him on loan again. Way of the world though dictates he will go on loan to a league one club next season.

given our previous wit them, he'll end up at a League One side next season, and only chance of it being with us is by being the League One

[Brookie]

Wingers tend to be frustrating. They drift in and out of games, sometimes they are world beaters, sometimes they are donkeys but we all love it it when they get to the deadline and put that perfect cross in for a goal or cut in and score like Colclough did yesterday.

[OneDecentLester]

I think Metcalfe is a decent player, and has definitely improved over the course of the season but I still think we can do better in there next season as his output isn’t quite good enough for me. Football isn’t all about stats, but I clocked yesterday he still has 0 goals & 0 assists for us in 24 games. Now people can say ‘that’s not his job in the team’ etc etc, but it’s been perceived Naylor has had a below average season by his standards (not entirely his fault as he’s had to bounce between midfield & cb all season), yet Naylor still has 9 direct goal contributions in comparison.

Now if the question is about his potential considering he’s just 20 years old, then yeah absolutely, you’d expect he will be a player in a few years time especially as he bulks out, but the likelihood we’d be able to take him permanently with an eye on his future development I’d expect would be pretty slim. Suppose there’s a possibility we could get him on loan again, but Everton will want him to play week in week out, and like I said, I still think we can do better personally.

As for Olakigbe, that boy is raw potential. A sustained period of good coaching, along with him building experience & bulking out a bit, I think he has the potential to become a serious player. He’s got something you can’t coach which is electric pace that can scare the absolute life out of any defender, just needs his skillset honing.

[born in 1866]

60s 70s Spireite, on 12 April 2025 - 09:29 PM, said:

All the loan managers see is a league ladder- with the aim their youngsters climb it.
If not- it’s time to move them on.

Correct. I'll give you the Everton loan Manager and Harry Tyrer. We were trying to resign him until the 11th hour but Everton were determined to get him a club at a higher level.

[boot]

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My frequent observation to my mate as the teams run out is "they're bigger than us". The old adage rings true 'a good big un is better than a good little un ' .It's worse than that really - a physical team can stop a technical team playing simply on the basis that it is easier to destroy than create - it happens all the time as 9 home draws shows. Walking back to my car after the last home game a complete stranger walking alongside says to me "frustrating int it - I could mark Olakigbe." Yes - to use your words, we need more robust players.

[Danny Webb's - post-Fleetwood comments on Olakigbe - he says that is first time Michael has started and finished a game for us and that will make him "more robust". I guess that could mean a few things both mentally and physically, but the management haven't given him 90 until yesterday - he is progressing nicely is their judgement then.

[Tha Knows...]

boot, on 11 April 2025 - 09:30 AM, said:

My frequent observation to my mate as the teams run out is "they're bigger than us". The old adage rings true 'a good big un is better than a good little un ' .It's worse than that really - a physical team can stop a technical team playing simply on the basis that it is easier to destroy than create - it happens all the time as 9 home draws shows. Walking back to my car after the last home game a complete stranger walking alongside says to me "frustrating int it - I could mark Olakigbe." Yes - to use your words, we need more robust players.

[Danny Webb's - post-Fleetwood comments on Olakigbe - he says that is first time Michael has started and finished a game for us and that will make him "more robust". I guess that could mean a few things both mentally and physically, but the management haven't given him 90 until yesterday - he is progressing nicely is their judgement then.

He was very good going forward yesterday. Won a tackle, advanced 30 yards and played Grigg I think in on goal. Also won free kick for Palmer goal. Didn't play Dobra in during another positive move but shot narrowly wide. He was a handful and got us up the pitch in tight situations

[Tha Knows...]

born in 1866, on 13 April 2025 - 08:04 AM, said:

Correct. I'll give you the Everton loan Manager and Harry Tyrer. We were trying to resign him until the 11th hour but Everton were determined to get him a club at a higher level.

It led eventually to Boot coming to the fore

[dim view]

Tha Knows..., on 13 April 2025 - 08:40 AM, said:

He was very good going forward yesterday. Won a tackle, advanced 30 yards and played Grigg I think in on goal. Also won free kick for Palmer goal. Didn't play Dobra in during another positive move but shot narrowly wide. He was a handful and got us up the pitch in tight situations

Brilliant highlights that could themselves serve as a promo video.

[boot]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 12 April 2025 - 09:35 PM, said:

Pepple will most likely be back at Southend next season.

Olakigbe would probably be better off at that level, too.

Metcalfe is definitely worth another look.

Prefer a squad populated by our own players, though...

Can't see anything wrong with loans so long as we don't touch anything other than season-long - the Markandy deal was ruinous. Markandy for a full season and we are in the play-offs

[Westbars Spireite]

boot, on 13 April 2025 - 12:16 PM, said:

Can't see anything wrong with loans so long as we don't touch anything other than season-long - the Markandy deal was ruinous. Markandy for a full season and we are in the play-offs

Markanday's was a season-long loan. But they will always come with a recall option in the window.

[born in 1866]

Westbars Spireite, on 13 April 2025 - 12:18 PM, said:

Markanday's was a season-long loan. But they will always come with a recall option in the window.

As per EFL rules. If a recall was not included in the original loan deal it can be added at anytime by the parent club. So inevitabley, ALL season long loans can come with a recall within the January window

[boot]

Westbars Spireite, on 13 April 2025 - 12:18 PM, said:

Markanday's was a season-long loan. But they will always come with a recall option in the window.

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Is that really 'always' - no exceptions - can't believe it ? No win situation if it is - he plays really well and he is recalled to parent club to play, or to be sent elsewhere for a more lucrative deal for club, player, or both. He is nothing special and you can keep him.
I can't see a Premier League club recalling the likes of Metcalf . Nothing in it financially in their multimillion pound world to switch his loan club if he is progressing and getting game time. The comparatively tin-pot Blackburn made a few quid with Markandy probably, as did the player. I would say development payers from Premier teams will stay the distance - anything else is definitely a risk unless the contract states season-long with no recall options.

<div><br></div><div>Just read reply 71. Stick to young Premier League loans would be my plan then.</div>

This post has been edited by boot: 13 April 2025 - 12:53 PM

[Maddog Tannen]

born in 1866, on 13 April 2025 - 12:47 PM, said:

As per EFL rules. If a recall was not included in the original loan deal it can be added at anytime by the parent club. So inevitabley, ALL season long loans can come with a recall within the January window

I guess that's why Cook is on record saying he is not too keen on loans next season and would prefer our own players

[dtp]

boot, on 13 April 2025 - 12:50 PM, said:

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Is that really 'always' - no exceptions - can't believe it ? No win situation if it is - he plays really well and he is recalled to parent club to play, or to be sent elsewhere for a more lucrative deal for club, player, or both. He is nothing special and you can keep him.
I can't see a Premier League club recalling the likes of Metcalf . Nothing in it financially in their multimillion pound world to switch his loan club if he is progressing and getting game time. The comparatively tin-pot Blackburn made a few quid with Markandy probably, as did the player. I would say development payers from Premier teams will stay the distance - anything else is definitely a risk unless the contract states season-long with no recall options.

<div><br></div><div>Just read reply 71. Stick to young Premier League loans would be my plan then.</div>

I think you are right about Premier loanees. Araujo is still with us despite his injury. Tanton was the best RB we have had all season but such a shame about his injury. Metcalfe has stayed with us despite his injury and had shown significant development.

Then looking at Championship loanees. Walsall had the Stoke lad recalled an they have not been the same since. Pepple was doing well at Southend so got recalled by Luton and sent out to us.

However, I would love to think we could develop some young talent of our own or permanently sign some promising young talent from higher up to improve and sell on for good money.

[Westbars Spireite]

boot, on 13 April 2025 - 12:50 PM, said:

'
Is that really 'always' - no exceptions - can't believe it ? No win situation if it is - he plays really well and he is recalled to parent club to play, or to be sent elsewhere for a more lucrative deal for club, player, or both. He is nothing special and you can keep him.
I can't see a Premier League club recalling the likes of Metcalf . Nothing in it financially in their multimillion pound world to switch his loan club if he is progressing and getting game time. The comparatively tin-pot Blackburn made a few quid with Markandy probably, as did the player. I would say development payers from Premier teams will stay the distance - anything else is definitely a risk unless the contract states season-long with no recall options.

<div><br></div><div>Just read reply 71. Stick to young Premier League loans would be my plan then.</div>

It's the risk you take borrowing someone else's things. If you borrow your mates lawnmower, be ready for him to ask for it back when he wants it.

[JonB]

Maddog Tannen, on 13 April 2025 - 01:48 PM, said:

I guess that's why Cook is on record saying he is not too keen on loans next season and would prefer our own players

The problem there is getting players that don’t count towards the 22 man squad. Likes of Metcalfe etc don’t count as under 21s and with no real prospects looking likely to be involved next season as well then we potentially rely on getting them on loan from elsewhere.

Definitely a place for the right loans.

[boot]

Westbars Spireite, on 13 April 2025 - 02:38 PM, said:

It's the risk you take borrowing someone else's things. If you borrow your mates lawnmower, be ready for him to ask for it back when he wants it.

He's not really your mate though if he wants it back when you have only half cut the lawn just because he has another mate who's paying him £10 to borrow it. Now if you had borrowed it off another mate who was so rich he had more lawnmowers than he knew what to do with, including one he hadn't used yet, and he wasn't desperate for £10, the risk of him asking for it back would be very low I think..

[60s 70s Spireite]

Tha Knows..., on 13 April 2025 - 08:40 AM, said:

He was very good going forward yesterday. Won a tackle, advanced 30 yards and played Grigg I think in on goal. Also won free kick for Palmer goal. Didn't play Dobra in during another positive move but shot narrowly wide. He was a handful and got us up the pitch in tight situations

Metcalfe won the free kick for the Palmer goal. The tackle on Olakigbe led to a throw. The throw led to the free kick. Sleight of hand of the short highlights video editor.

[Osborne again]

boot, on 13 April 2025 - 04:47 PM, said:

He's not really your mate though if he wants it back when you have only half cut the lawn just because he has another mate who's paying him £10 to borrow it. Now if you had borrowed it off another mate who was so rich he had more lawnmowers than he knew what to do with, including one he hadn't used yet, and he wasn't desperate for £10, the risk of him asking for it back would be very low I think..

All this malarkey with the lawnmowers has really put a different slant on the weeding in our flowerbeds, now it doesn't sound half as bad, although, does anyone know if I can get a season long loan of a hoe, and I don't mean the letter O, or four candles 😁.

[boot]

Osborne again, on 13 April 2025 - 05:07 PM, said:

All this malarkey with the lawnmowers has really put a different slant on the weeding in our flowerbeds, now it doesn't sound half as bad, although, does anyone know if I can get a season long loan of a hoe, and I don't mean the letter O, or four candles 😁.

It was rumoured that we were after a Malarkey mower but it's cutting the grass at Crawley now I think.