[Wooden Spoon]

 turrhall, on 12 April 2025 - 01:00 AM, said:

Neither of those people are in the Labour Party - Whelan has sway over some aspects of Labour policy, yes, which he should as the head of a major union. Jones is a journalist, and whilst I don’t know his exact politics, he’s clearly not “far-left”. I’m guessing some sort of democratic socialist.

I didn’t say Jones was far left

[turrhall]

Then why mention him at all?

[Wooden Spoon]

 turrhall, on 12 April 2025 - 09:17 AM, said:

Then why mention him at all?

I’d suggest you read the post again. It really isn’t difficult to understand.

[turrhall]

 Wooden Spoon, on 12 April 2025 - 12:01 PM, said:

I’d suggest you read the post again. It really isn’t difficult to understand.

You’re suggesting that there are many in the Labour Party leadership that are like Owen Jones? And I would say, seeing as he left the party I would guess you’re wrong. Regardless even if true, neither he nor (by extension) Labour leadership would be “far-left”, which was the original point I was contending.

[Misnomer]

 turrhall, on 11 April 2025 - 02:40 PM, said:

Who exactly running Labour is “far-left”, I need a single name?

Out of the entire essence of my post, that's your focus?

However, I'll rephrase; my use of 'running' was incorrect.

Those that 'predominate' are progressive liberals and, to a 'lesser' extent, the far-left. The party is 'made up' of globalist, progressive middle-class liberals and radical activists.

[turrhall]

 Misnomer, on 12 April 2025 - 12:32 PM, said:

Out of the entire essence of my post, that's your focus?

However, I'll rephrase; my use of 'running' was incorrect.

Those that 'predominate' are progressive liberals and, to a 'lesser' extent, the far-left. The party is 'made up' of globalist, progressive middle-class liberals and radical activists.

I focussed on the part that was objectively untrue yes. Some of the rest of it is subjectively incorrect IMO but those are just opinions. Your reworded paragraph is probably correct.

[Wooden Spoon]

 turrhall, on 12 April 2025 - 12:27 PM, said:

You’re suggesting that there are many in the Labour Party leadership that are like Owen Jones? And I would say, seeing as he left the party I would guess you’re wrong. Regardless even if true, neither he nor (by extension) Labour leadership would be “far-left”, which was the original point I was contending.

Jesus Christ on a bike.

1) Just because Owen left the party doesn’t mean there aren’t those with a similar view in the party.

2) I said Owen WASN’T far left. You’re agreeing that he isn’t far left too- but saying I’m wrong because I said he isn’t?

3) You didnt ask for the leaders who were far left, you asked for the name of a member. I said there aren’t many who are far left in the traditional sense. But now your narrowing it to peruse a non argument. A total non argument you’re only having with yourself.



Talk about pedantry.

This post has been edited by Wooden Spoon: 12 April 2025 - 12:56 PM

[Wooden Spoon]

 turrhall, on 12 April 2025 - 12:49 PM, said:

I focussed on the part that was objectively untrue yes. Some of the rest of it is subjectively incorrect IMO but those are just opinions. Your reworded paragraph is probably correct.

So a page of you arguing when it’s really petty semantics, and the core point is you agreed with his post in the main.


Thanks for that valuable contribution, really added substance to the debate.

[turrhall]

 Wooden Spoon, on 12 April 2025 - 12:54 PM, said:

Jesus Christ on a bike.

1) Just because Owen left the party doesn’t mean there aren’t those with a similar view in the party.

2) I said Owen WASN’T far left. You’re agreeing that he isn’t far left too- but saying I’m wrong because I said he isn’t?

3) You didnt ask for the leaders who were far left, you asked for the name of a member. I said there aren’t many who are far left in the traditional sense. But now your narrowing it to peruse a non argument. A total non argument you’re only having with yourself.



Talk about pedantry.

I specifically did ask for those in Labour Leadership who were far left?

[turrhall]

 Wooden Spoon, on 12 April 2025 - 12:58 PM, said:

So a page of you arguing when it’s really petty semantics, and the core point is you agreed with his post in the main.


Thanks for that valuable contribution, really added substance to the debate.

I’m not agreeing with the post in the main merely that paragraph, bar “far-left”. And that does matter when you’re just throwing words around willy nilly - the “far-left” aren’t involved in the current Labour project, but they have, and will continue, to be blamed for its many many shortcomings.

[Wooden Spoon]

 turrhall, on 12 April 2025 - 01:02 PM, said:

I specifically did ask for those in Labour Leadership who were far left?

You asked for a name out of those “running” the Labour Party - which includes the NEC who have huge influence on policy direction at congress.


I gave you a name, so you then changed it to leadership


Arguing for the sake of it.

[turrhall]

And I’m being pedantic (I am), but come on!

[Valley Blues]

 turrhall, on 12 April 2025 - 01:04 PM, said:

I’m not agreeing with the post in the main merely that paragraph, bar “far-left”. And that does matter when you’re just throwing words around willy nilly - the “far-left” aren’t involved in the current Labour project, but they have, and will continue, to be blamed for its many many shortcomings.

I think it’s commonplace to chuck words around willy-nilly. It’s happening every day before our eyes.

You say it’s calling folk far-left to suit.

Many would say it’s calling folk racist to suit.

Words chucked about willy-nilly ( are we still ok to say this? ) every day.

[Mr Mercury]

 Valley Blues, on 12 April 2025 - 06:28 PM, said:

I think it’s commonplace to chuck words around willy-nilly. It’s happening every day before our eyes.

You say it’s calling folk far-left to suit.

Many would say it’s calling folk racist to suit.

Words chucked about willy-nilly ( are we still ok to say this? ) every day.

I see we won another local election on Thursday polling 46% of the vote from a non start at the previous vote. Labours vote self destructed.
May the 1st is going to be interesting.

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury, on 12 April 2025 - 07:00 PM, said:

I see we won another local election on Thursday polling 46% of the vote from a non start at the previous vote. Labours vote self destructed.
May the 1st is going to be interesting.

Where was this election?

[Mr Mercury]

Wooden Spoon, on 13 April 2025 - 04:19 PM, said:

Where was this election?

Tameside, Greater Manchester

❗ Reform GAIN from Labour

Longdendale (Tameside) council by-election result:

REF: 46.6% (+46.6)
LAB: 25.0% (-28.8)
CON: 12.4% (-9.7)
GRN: 12.1% (-12.0)
IND: 3.9% (+3.9)

+/- 2023

[Wooden Spoon]

Mr Mercury, on 13 April 2025 - 05:27 PM, said:

Tameside, Greater Manchester

❗ Reform GAIN from Labour

Longdendale (Tameside) council by-election result:

REF: 46.6% (+46.6)
LAB: 25.0% (-28.8)
CON: 12.4% (-9.7)
GRN: 12.1% (-12.0)
IND: 3.9% (+3.9)

+/- 2023

A drop of close to 30% in the labour vote and close to 10% for the Tory vote.


Very interesting


May is going to be interesting

[Mr Mercury]

May 1st could be very interesting..

https://www.express....r-red-wall-poll

[Burgerman]

Mr Mercury, on 15 April 2025 - 07:45 AM, said:

May 1st could be very interesting..

https://www.express....r-red-wall-poll

Cant read the content of your link, what does it say?

[Mr Mercury]

Burgerman, on 15 April 2025 - 08:02 AM, said:

Cant read the content of your link, what does it say?

Gone to pay for me now sorry.
Basically a poll in specific red wall seats, that Labour would expect to win comfortably, for the upcoming May elections showing reform on 30% and Labour 26%