[calvin plummers socks]

Burgerman, on 06 April 2025 - 08:16 AM, said:

You speak very highly of Starmer. What’s one to think?

Maybe, you’re just trolling (again).

Trolling what exactly??
I don’t speak highly of him - I have said recently he has been excellent that’s all - Jesus it’s an opinion

[PontePete]

calvin plummers socks, on 06 April 2025 - 08:21 AM, said:

Trolling what exactly??
I don’t speak highly of him - I have said recently he has been excellent that’s all - Jesus it’s an opinion

You do know that referring to someone as “excellent” is kind of the epitome of speaking highly of someone, right?

[The Jolly Friar]

calvin plummers socks, on 05 April 2025 - 05:54 PM, said:

The sheer amount of nonces and sex offenders affiliated to Reform

But no significant Muslim sex offenders in some of our major northern towns then. Significant numbers apparently but your reluctance to say so speaks volumes. How's your job in security going by the way?

[calvin plummers socks]

The Jolly Friar, on 06 April 2025 - 09:00 AM, said:

But no significant Muslim sex offenders in some of our major northern towns then. Significant numbers apparently but your reluctance to say so speaks volumes. How's your job in security going by the way?

My reluctance to speak out?
You just have missed me calling them the worst of humanity many times

[Burgerman]

calvin plummers socks, on 06 April 2025 - 08:21 AM, said:

Trolling what exactly??
I don’t speak highly of him - I have said recently he has been excellent that’s all - Jesus it’s an opinion

😂😂😂. So saying someone is excellent isn’t having a high opinion of them. Glory be to Allah!! You are one hellava strange character.

[calvin plummers socks]

Burgerman, on 06 April 2025 - 10:37 AM, said:

😂😂😂. So saying someone is excellent isn’t having a high opinion of them. Glory be to Allah!! You are one hellava strange character.

I said excellent recently - why is that such a weird thing to say or think?
Certainly not a fan of his before

If I said the same about say Will Grigg etc it wouldn’t be controversial (or maybe it would)

[Wooden Spoon]

The Jolly Friar, on 06 April 2025 - 09:00 AM, said:

But no significant Muslim sex offenders in some of our major northern towns then. Significant numbers apparently but your reluctance to say so speaks volumes. How's your job in security going by the way?

There are others on this forum who are far more readily dismissive of the rape gangs and the ethnicity of both victims and offenders. (And the reasons for the cover ups)



And they are not Muslims. Nor from the Asian subcontinent



TBF to CPS he has criticised them as vile.



The same criticism has been astonishingly lacking from the others.

[Mr Mercury]

Just had a chat with a Reform member delivering leaflets for our Hardwick ward for the local elections, asked how it was going and they said getting lots of positive comments.
Obviously a big step for the party when we’ve gone from not being in existence last time out to fielding candidates in every one of Derbyshires 64 wards in May. I’ve no idea how many seats of the 64 we’ll get but given the national opinion polls it could be close.

[calvin plummers socks]

Mr Mercury, on 07 April 2025 - 05:29 PM, said:

Just had a chat with a Reform member delivering leaflets for our Hardwick ward for the local elections, asked how it was going and they said getting lots of positive comments.
Obviously a big step for the party when we’ve gone from not being in existence last time out to fielding candidates in every one of Derbyshires 64 wards in May. I’ve no idea how many seats of the 64 we’ll get but given the national opinion polls it could be close.

Fascinating

[Wooden Spoon]

calvin plummers socks, on 07 April 2025 - 06:50 PM, said:

Fascinating

It actually is


A movement from nowhere powered not by Tice and Farage but from the anger of people, ordinary people who have joined.


How this will pan out is fascinating.

[Mr Mercury]

Wooden Spoon, on 07 April 2025 - 07:04 PM, said:

It actually is


A movement from nowhere powered not by Tice and Farage but from the anger of people, ordinary people who have joined.


How this will pan out is fascinating.

In the last few days we’ve had a flier from our Reform candidate, we have people visible on the ground, a letter from Nigel Farage speaking to all occupants of our house, yet absolutely nothing from any other party, I know it’s early days but it seems we’re hitting the ground running.

[Misnomer]

Mr Mercury, on 07 April 2025 - 07:10 PM, said:

In the last few days we’ve had a flier from our Reform candidate, we have people visible on the ground, a letter from Nigel Farage speaking to all occupants of our house, yet absolutely nothing from any other party, I know it’s early days but it seems we’re hitting the ground running.

I don't want to do it, but I'm being left with no choice; so, they'll have my vote.

I'm the son of a trade unionist, stood with the miners as a kid, a democratic socialist - Labour all my life. But, the shameful behaviour of the Labour party, their treatment of and, attitude towards, the working class, is deeply offensive; it's actually inexcusable. These people have been the backbone of the Labour party, and now the party despises them/me....but, they'll pretend to like me because, they need my vote.

Brown wrote it on the wall, when he called the woman in Rochdale, a bigot. A loyal Labour voter, she was merely expressing a concern about mass immigration. A couple of years later, that was followed by the disgusting, sneering mockery of Thornberry - another of the liberal elite, showing their antipathy towards the working class.

Move on a decade or so and, the party is now run by globalist, liberal 'progressives', far-left and activist nutjobs. It's now at the point where they'll try to cover up the worst national scandal this country has ever witnessed, in favour of identity politics and seeing minorities as permanent 'victims'.

Labour's oppressive conformity movement, means you can't even discuss rapid demographic change, national sovereignty, or express patriotism, without causing offence and being branded nativist, racist, blah blah. I mean, you can't even say the word 'indigenous', without someone frothing at the mouth. Whilst, at the same time, the party promotes and welcomes Welsh and Scottish nationalism.

As much as some want to marginalise, abuse, and shout 'racists' and 'bigots'; the ever decreasing circles and echo chambers within the Labour party, coupled with the treatment of their traditional, loyal, working-class voters, has opened the door for Reform. Labour have become completely detached from the working class.

[Spire-ite]

Misnomer, on 11 April 2025 - 11:18 AM, said:

I don't want to do it, but I'm being left with no choice; so, they'll have my vote.

I'm the son of a trade unionist, stood with the miners as a kid, a democratic socialist - Labour all my life. But, the shameful behaviour of the Labour party, their treatment of and, attitude towards, the working class, is deeply offensive; it's actually inexcusable. These people have been the backbone of the Labour party, and now the party despises them/me....but, they'll pretend to like me because, they need my vote.

Brown wrote it on the wall, when he called the woman in Rochdale, a bigot. A loyal Labour voter, she was merely expressing a concern about mass immigration. A couple of years later, that was followed by the disgusting, sneering mockery of Thornberry - another of the liberal elite, showing their antipathy towards the working class.

Move on a decade or so and, the party is now run by globalist, liberal 'progressives', far-left and activist nutjobs. It's now at the point where they'll try to cover up the worst national scandal this country has ever witnessed, in favour of identity politics and seeing minorities as permanent 'victims'.

Labour's oppressive conformity movement, means you can't even discuss rapid demographic change, national sovereignty, or express patriotism, without causing offence and being branded nativist, racist, blah blah. I mean, you can't even say the word 'indigenous', without someone frothing at the mouth. Whilst, at the same time, the party promotes and welcomes Welsh and Scottish nationalism.

As much as some want to marginalise, abuse, and shout 'racists' and 'bigots'; the ever decreasing circles and echo chambers within the Labour party, coupled with the treatment of their traditional, loyal, working-class voters, has opened the door for Reform. Labour have become completely detached from the working class.

Very well put.

[turrhall]

Misnomer, on 11 April 2025 - 11:18 AM, said:

I don't want to do it, but I'm being left with no choice; so, they'll have my vote.

I'm the son of a trade unionist, stood with the miners as a kid, a democratic socialist - Labour all my life. But, the shameful behaviour of the Labour party, their treatment of and, attitude towards, the working class, is deeply offensive; it's actually inexcusable. These people have been the backbone of the Labour party, and now the party despises them/me....but, they'll pretend to like me because, they need my vote.

Brown wrote it on the wall, when he called the woman in Rochdale, a bigot. A loyal Labour voter, she was merely expressing a concern about mass immigration. A couple of years later, that was followed by the disgusting, sneering mockery of Thornberry - another of the liberal elite, showing their antipathy towards the working class.

Move on a decade or so and, the party is now run by globalist, liberal 'progressives', far-left and activist nutjobs. It's now at the point where they'll try to cover up the worst national scandal this country has ever witnessed, in favour of identity politics and seeing minorities as permanent 'victims'.

Labour's oppressive conformity movement, means you can't even discuss rapid demographic change, national sovereignty, or express patriotism, without causing offence and being branded nativist, racist, blah blah. I mean, you can't even say the word 'indigenous', without someone frothing at the mouth. Whilst, at the same time, the party promotes and welcomes Welsh and Scottish nationalism.

As much as some want to marginalise, abuse, and shout 'racists' and 'bigots'; the ever decreasing circles and echo chambers within the Labour party, coupled with the treatment of their traditional, loyal, working-class voters, has opened the door for Reform. Labour have become completely detached from the working class.

Who exactly running Labour is “far-left”, I need a single name?

[isleaiw1]

turrhall, on 11 April 2025 - 02:40 PM, said:

Who exactly running Labour is “far-left”, I need a single name?

Well the trade union leaders are pretty left, they fund it and I would guess they have a reasonable say in its running...

I guess far left depends where you start from, everybody in the US would call them far left as we don't do anything "right" in their book...

[s42blue]

Misnomer, on 11 April 2025 - 11:18 AM, said:

I don't want to do it, but I'm being left with no choice; so, they'll have my vote.

I'm the son of a trade unionist, stood with the miners as a kid, a democratic socialist - Labour all my life. But, the shameful behaviour of the Labour party, their treatment of and, attitude towards, the working class, is deeply offensive; it's actually inexcusable. These people have been the backbone of the Labour party, and now the party despises them/me....but, they'll pretend to like me because, they need my vote.

Brown wrote it on the wall, when he called the woman in Rochdale, a bigot. A loyal Labour voter, she was merely expressing a concern about mass immigration. A couple of years later, that was followed by the disgusting, sneering mockery of Thornberry - another of the liberal elite, showing their antipathy towards the working class.

Move on a decade or so and, the party is now run by globalist, liberal 'progressives', far-left and activist nutjobs. It's now at the point where they'll try to cover up the worst national scandal this country has ever witnessed, in favour of identity politics and seeing minorities as permanent 'victims'.

Labour's oppressive conformity movement, means you can't even discuss rapid demographic change, national sovereignty, or express patriotism, without causing offence and being branded nativist, racist, blah blah. I mean, you can't even say the word 'indigenous', without someone frothing at the mouth. Whilst, at the same time, the party promotes and welcomes Welsh and Scottish nationalism.

As much as some want to marginalise, abuse, and shout 'racists' and 'bigots'; the ever decreasing circles and echo chambers within the Labour party, coupled with the treatment of their traditional, loyal, working-class voters, has opened the door for Reform. Labour have become completely detached from the working class.

Unusually good post. What a sad state of affairs

[Wooden Spoon]

Misnomer, on 11 April 2025 - 11:18 AM, said:

I don't want to do it, but I'm being left with no choice; so, they'll have my vote.

I'm the son of a trade unionist, stood with the miners as a kid, a democratic socialist - Labour all my life. But, the shameful behaviour of the Labour party, their treatment of and, attitude towards, the working class, is deeply offensive; it's actually inexcusable. These people have been the backbone of the Labour party, and now the party despises them/me....but, they'll pretend to like me because, they need my vote.

Brown wrote it on the wall, when he called the woman in Rochdale, a bigot. A loyal Labour voter, she was merely expressing a concern about mass immigration. A couple of years later, that was followed by the disgusting, sneering mockery of Thornberry - another of the liberal elite, showing their antipathy towards the working class.

Move on a decade or so and, the party is now run by globalist, liberal 'progressives', far-left and activist nutjobs. It's now at the point where they'll try to cover up the worst national scandal this country has ever witnessed, in favour of identity politics and seeing minorities as permanent 'victims'.

Labour's oppressive conformity movement, means you can't even discuss rapid demographic change, national sovereignty, or express patriotism, without causing offence and being branded nativist, racist, blah blah. I mean, you can't even say the word 'indigenous', without someone frothing at the mouth. Whilst, at the same time, the party promotes and welcomes Welsh and Scottish nationalism.

As much as some want to marginalise, abuse, and shout 'racists' and 'bigots'; the ever decreasing circles and echo chambers within the Labour party, coupled with the treatment of their traditional, loyal, working-class voters, has opened the door for Reform. Labour have become completely detached from the working class.

In a few weeks time we will see how many people feel the same way.


These local elections will be very interesting

[turrhall]

isleaiw1, on 11 April 2025 - 05:26 PM, said:

Well the trade union leaders are pretty left, they fund it and I would guess they have a reasonable say in its running...

I guess far left depends where you start from, everybody in the US would call them far left as we don't do anything "right" in their book...

Sure, some of them - which is presumably why Starmer has been watering down every pro-worker promise he made to them since before Labour won the election. Surely that is as anti-Working Class as anything you’ve said, but goes unmentioned in lieu of complaining how you can’t say anything anymore.

But that’s by the by, if Starmer can ignore them, they can’t be part of the Brain Trust can they? So please, name a single person at the top of the Labour Party who is “far-left” - I open that request up to any of the people who gave me a red for that post (who cares?) but shows that it’s been read and digested but that no one has a gotcha answer to prove me wrong.

This post has been edited by turrhall: 12 April 2025 - 12:01 AM

[Wooden Spoon]

turrhall, on 12 April 2025 - 12:00 AM, said:

Sure, some of them - which is presumably why Starmer has been watering down every pro-worker promise he made to them since before Labour won the election. Surely that is as anti-Working Class as anything you’ve said, but goes unmentioned in lieu of complaining how you can’t say anything anymore.

But that’s by the by, if Starmer can ignore them, they can’t be part of the Brain Trust can they? So please, name a single person at the top of the Labour Party who is “far-left” - I open that request up to any of the people who gave me a red for that post (who cares?) but shows that it’s been read and digested but that no one has a gotcha answer to prove me wrong.

Don’t think there are many “far left” in the traditional sense, not many of the more militant unions have representatives on the Labour Party NEC. And the NEC also have a large say in the direction of the party.

Starmer didn’t want Raynor as deputy the NEC did. So if you want a name pick any from the NEC. I’ll give you Mike Whelan from ASLEF, the train drivers union.



There are many like Owen Jones though.

This post has been edited by Wooden Spoon: 12 April 2025 - 12:48 AM

[turrhall]

Wooden Spoon, on 12 April 2025 - 12:30 AM, said:

Don’t think there are many “far left” in the traditional sense, not many of the more militant unions have representatives on the Labour Party NEC. And the NEC also have a large say in the direction of the party.

Starmer didn’t want Raynor as deputy the NEC did. So if you want a name pick any from the NEC. I’ll give you Mike Whelan from ASLEF, the train drivers union.



There are many like Owen Jones though.

Neither of those people are in the Labour Party - Whelan has sway over some aspects of Labour policy, yes, which he should as the head of a major union. Jones is a journalist, and whilst I don’t know his exact politics, he’s clearly not “far-left”. I’m guessing some sort of democratic socialist.