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 isleaiw1, on 27 March 2025 - 08:41 PM, said:

Have you insisted that is where yours goes? Mine goes into a general pot that pays for teachers, police, health, benefits for those who need it... as well as scroungers, wonderful pensions for busy public sector workers, amongst many other things...

No illegal migration, no shortfall

No tax rises

[isleaiw1]

 Search & Destroy, on 27 March 2025 - 10:10 PM, said:

No illegal migration, no shortfall

No tax rises

The cost of providing for immigrants is less than the cost of providing public sector pensions - and in the scheme of things not much. The move to EVs will probably cost more in lost fuel duty...

Might expect a car buyer to only see one headline number and have no idea of the complexities beneath that... the world is much more complex than you see. But I dont think any of this is real,you just get hard on the idea of attracting attention. From blokes.

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 isleaiw1, on 27 March 2025 - 10:48 PM, said:

The cost of providing for immigrants is less than the cost of providing public sector pensions - and in the scheme of things not much. The move to EVs will probably cost more in lost fuel duty...

Might expect a car buyer to only see one headline number and have no idea of the complexities beneath that... the world is much more complex than you see. But I dont think any of this is real,you just get hard on the idea of attracting attention. From blokes.

If it costs less than pensions it doesn’t matter then?


Pensions are for working class people who’ve lived and worked here all there lives to see out their days in old age and your attacking that as a cost but defending billions spent on hour people who have no right to be here.


Truly bizarre

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 isleaiw1, on 27 March 2025 - 10:48 PM, said:

The cost of providing for immigrants is less than the cost of providing public sector pensions - and in the scheme of things not much. The move to EVs will probably cost more in lost fuel duty...

Might expect a car buyer to only see one headline number and have no idea of the complexities beneath that... the world is much more complex than you see. But I dont think any of this is real,you just get hard on the idea of attracting attention. From blokes.

Yeah, so if we did away with pensions there’d be enough money and we’d be able to afford to take even more illegal migrants?

Have I got my simple head around the complexities?

[isleaiw1]

 Wooden Spoon, on 28 March 2025 - 06:10 AM, said:

If it costs less than pensions it doesn’t matter then?


Pensions are for working class people who’ve lived and worked here all there lives to see out their days in old age and your attacking that as a cost but defending billions spent on hour people who have no right to be here.


Truly bizarre

No just pointing out to our resident bigot that there are lots of other things he could get excited about if he REALLY cared about govt spending....

I would rather we didn't have to spend it but equally I am happy that we do our share of looking after people displaced for various reasons and don't leave it all to someone else, because that's the right thing to do.

 Search & Destroy, on 28 March 2025 - 06:30 AM, said:

Yeah, so if we did away with pensions there’d be enough money and we’d be able to afford to take even more illegal migrants?

Have I got my simple head around the complexities?

The complexity is that there are lots of ways the govt spend money, why does only one bother your simple head?

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 isleaiw1, on 28 March 2025 - 08:38 AM, said:

No just pointing out to our resident bigot that there are lots of other things he could get excited about if he REALLY cared about govt spending....

I would rather we didn't have to spend it but equally I am happy that we do our share of looking after people displaced for various reasons and don't leave it all to someone else, because that's the right thing to do.




The complexity is that there are lots of ways the govt spend money, why does only one bother your simple head?

Well it seems to be only public sector pensions that bother yours

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 Search & Destroy, on 28 March 2025 - 06:30 AM, said:

Yeah, so if we did away with pensions there’d be enough money and we’d be able to afford to take even more illegal migrants?

Have I got my simple head around the complexities?

No, you have not got your head around it. And, you know it.

Ian is not saying we should do away with pensions at all.

He is saying it is time to bring public sector workers pensions in line with private sector pensions. To move from final salary schemes to defined benefit schemes. Public sector employees can receive over 20% of their salaries paid into their pension pots whereas for private sector employees it might average 5%. The cost of providing for final salary schemes is rising at a rate of knots and that is why the private sector deemed them unaffordable many years ago. They remain unaffordable for the public sector but governments have refused to do anything about it even though it is obvious they will have to do so at some point in the future.

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 dtp, on 28 March 2025 - 09:22 AM, said:

No, you have not got your head around it. And, you know it.

Ian is not saying we should do away with pensions at all.

He is saying it is time to bring public sector workers pensions in line with private sector pensions. To move from final salary schemes to defined benefit schemes. Public sector employees can receive over 20% of their salaries paid into their pension pots whereas for private sector employees it might average 5%. The cost of providing for final salary schemes is rising at a rate of knots and that is why the private sector deemed them unaffordable many years ago. They remain unaffordable for the public sector but governments have refused to do anything about it even though it is obvious they will have to do so at some point in the future.

I agree but it’s not an either or, stop illegal immigration as well, reduce the welfare bill dramatically ( not trim around the edges)
The mental health welfare bill is completely, well , mental

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 isleaiw1, on 28 March 2025 - 08:38 AM, said:

No just pointing out to our resident bigot that there are lots of other things he could get excited about if he REALLY cared about govt spending....

I would rather we didn't have to spend it but equally I am happy that we do our share of looking after people displaced for various reasons and don't leave it all to someone else, because that's the right thing to do.

Displaced for various reasons? Poverty a good enough reason?



The right thing to do.


The right thing to do is offer refuge to those fleeing war zones and persecution:
As we should have done, but didn’t, with those afghans who worked with British forces in Helmand.


Happy to take thousands of single economic migrants but not those afghans who helped us and are now in hiding in Helmand. That’s the right thing to do is it? Because we’re not meeting our quota? Absolute rubbish and you know it.

The right thing to do, is to ensure your own citizens are cared for in their old age as well.


The wrong thing to do is to allow economic migrants to stay AFTER they have had the asylum applications rejected, at our cost while cutting pensions, winter fuel payments and disability benefits for our own working class people
The wrong thing to do is not deport foreign rapists because they might be persecuted for being a rapist in Iran or have a right to family life.

[isleaiw1]

 Wooden Spoon, on 28 March 2025 - 11:18 AM, said:

Displaced for various reasons? Poverty a good enough reason?



The right thing to do.


The right thing to do is offer refuge to those fleeing war zones and persecution:
As we should have done, but didn’t, with those afghans who worked with British forces in Helmand.


Happy to take thousands of single economic migrants but not those afghans who helped us and are now in hiding in Helmand. That’s the right thing to do is it? Because we’re not meeting our quota? Absolute rubbish and you know it.

The right thing to do, is to ensure your own citizens are cared for in their old age as well.


The wrong thing to do is to allow economic migrants to stay AFTER they have had the asylum applications rejected, at our cost while cutting pensions, winter fuel payments and disability benefits for our own working class people
The wrong thing to do is not deport foreign rapists because they might be persecuted for being a rapist in Iran or have a right to family life.

please tell me where I have disagreed with any of those. we shouldnt be a dumping ground for anyone but we should do our bit for those fleeing war and persecution. we should deport those who dont pass and as i said the other day, there should be time limits for subsequent deportation for those who do pass for various offences.

and we should look after all of our own, not give preferential treatment to 6m, paid for by all of the others.

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 isleaiw1, on 28 March 2025 - 01:06 PM, said:

please tell me where I have disagreed with any of those. we shouldnt be a dumping ground for anyone but we should do our bit for those fleeing war and persecution. we should deport those who dont pass and as i said the other day, there should be time limits for subsequent deportation for those who do pass for various offences.

and we should look after all of our own, not give preferential treatment to 6m, paid for by all of the others.

You’ve said plenty of times there should be no limits on the number of people allowed in here

How many of the 357 men who crossed the Channel yesterday are fleeing war and persecution?

Let none in

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 isleaiw1, on 28 March 2025 - 01:06 PM, said:

please tell me where I have disagreed with any of those. we shouldnt be a dumping ground for anyone but we should do our bit for those fleeing war and persecution. we should deport those who dont pass and as i said the other day, there should be time limits for subsequent deportation for those who do pass for various offences.

and we should look after all of our own, not give preferential treatment to 6m, paid for by all of the others.

Pensions aside that is disingenuous of you Ian


You know full well the debate and point of anger with the public isn’t about genuine asylum seekers. It’s about uncontrolled mass migration masquerading under the mask of seeking asylum…. And the total lack of political will to return failed asylum seekers and the legal system being milked because of it


And you have consistently and deliberately tried to blur the line between genuine asylum seekers that should be given safe haven and those economic migrants milking that failing of our border force, judiciary and politicians

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 Wooden Spoon, on 28 March 2025 - 05:24 PM, said:

Pensions aside that is disingenuous of you Ian


You know full well the debate and point of anger with the public isn’t about genuine asylum seekers. It’s about uncontrolled mass migration masquerading under the mask of seeking asylum…. And the total lack of political will to return failed asylum seekers and the legal system being milked because of it


And you have consistently and deliberately tried to blur the line between genuine asylum seekers that should be given safe haven and those economic migrants milking that failing of our border force, judiciary and politicians

I think for a fair few its the colour of their skin and the fact they arent British, may not be the case for you but I'm talking to all strands on here.

Blur the line, nope. If you arent here for a very specific reason that is covered by the asylum rules, we have no reason to take you.

I think the problem is that the politicians havent decided which group they are dealing with, Reform clearly the first lot I referenced, Labour havent a clue and the Tories were also more concerned about the sound bites than action..

 Search & Destroy, on 28 March 2025 - 04:43 PM, said:

You’ve said plenty of times there should be no limits on the number of people allowed in here

How many of the 357 men who crossed the Channel yesterday are fleeing war and persecution?

Let none in

Nope, clearly your simple head can only cope with sound bites. What I have said is that we should take our fair share (along with other countries) of genuine asylum seekers.

Surely the white ones can come, you'd be OK with that?

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 isleaiw1, on 28 March 2025 - 06:12 PM, said:

I think for a fair few its the colour of their skin and the fact they arent British, may not be the case for you but I'm talking to all strands on here.

Blur the line, nope. If you arent here for a very specific reason that is covered by the asylum rules, we have no reason to take you.

I think the problem is that the politicians havent decided which group they are dealing with, Reform clearly the first lot I referenced, Labour havent a clue and the Tories were also more concerned about the sound bites than action..



Nope, clearly your simple head can only cope with sound bites. What I have said is that we should take our fair share (along with other countries) of genuine asylum seekers.

Surely the white ones can come, you'd be OK with that?

It wasn’t ever about colour of skin for me, and May many others. it was about right and wrong. Well maybe a few it is (S+D maybe) but in general it isn’t and that exact line is used to stop dissent.


It’s the 21st century version of shouting “she’s a witch” and your all over it


But continue to shout racist at people who say, hang on this isn’t right very very quickly turns it into a skin colour issue - you can’t believe your being so pedantic in this to recognise the real problem here -!maybe yohve been in the boardroom too long and just don’t read the room anymore. (Not saying your an executive but you should be able to understand what I mean)

The whole rotten establishment needs tearing down and purging.


Police saying these girls made life style choices.


Labour MOs re tweeting “these girls should keep their mouths shut for the sake of diversity”



Never mind councils that had these child rapists embedded in their ranks being allowed to carry out local inquests so we don’t have an independent national one.


It’s a competition to see who can least racist being exploited.m by the establishment and media. Just look at the coverage of Rotherham. The darkest chapter in the last 80 years. Brushed under the carpet. And your right their front and centre ian


And yet supported by the establishment


Lawyers making millions off the back of the working man allowing rapists, drug dealers and criminals, to stay fully supported by Westminster and the judiciary l.


And you’ve fallen right into this trap because the whole system is now corrupted by this ideology instead of doing what is right by the working class people of this country


The working class people of this country rose from poverty and servitude starting with the Chartist movement and ended with the Labour Party - that same movement has now subjugated the working class to an extreme ideology where they are now no longer kings of their own castle but vilified and derided in favour of people who come here with no ties, no loyalty and no allegiance to this country.m


Internationalists ideology has financialy replaced the land ownership gentry

This post has been edited by Wooden Spoon: 28 March 2025 - 06:46 PM

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 Wooden Spoon, on 28 March 2025 - 06:29 PM, said:

It wasn’t ever about colour of skin for me, and May many others. it was about right and wrong. Well maybe a few it is (S+D maybe) but in general it isn’t and that exact line is used to stop dissent.


It’s the 21st century version of shouting “she’s a witch” and your all over it


But continue to shout racist at people who say, hang on this isn’t right very very quickly turns it into a skin colour issue - you can’t believe your being so pedantic in this to recognise the real problem here -!maybe yohve been in the boardroom too long and just don’t read the room anymore. (Not saying your an executive but you should be able to understand what I mean)

The whole rotten establishment needs tearing down and purging.


Police saying these girls made life style choices.


Labour MOs re tweeting “these girls should keep their mouths shut for the sake of diversity”

Which MP’s tweeted this?

[Valley Blues]

Another one that panned out well.

https://www.bbc.co.u...es/cp8v3pm1rr8o

At least they’d freed up some space for the summer rioters.

But evidently no space in the big house for the 16 year old stabbing someone (believed to be a gang feud ) with an 18-inch knife in the chest in Nottingham Primark in front of shoppers.

He got a 12 month referral. That’ll teach him.

Luckily he didn’t put owt on Facebook or he’d really be for it.

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 calvin plummers socks, on 28 March 2025 - 06:57 PM, said:

Which MP’s tweeted this?

It’s on this very thread.

Do you want to look for yourself or do you want to make me look you stupid

 calvin plummers socks, on 28 March 2025 - 06:57 PM, said:

Which MP’s tweeted this?

It’s on this very thread.

Do you want to look for yourself or do you want to make me look you stupid

[calvin plummers socks]

 Wooden Spoon, on 28 March 2025 - 07:25 PM, said:

It’s on this very thread.

Do you want to look for yourself or do you want to make me look you stupid


It’s on this very thread.

Do you want to look for yourself or do you want to make me look you stupid

Don’t see why I’d look stupid but yes please

[Search & Destroy]

https://metro.co.uk/...ty-6872181/amp/

[isleaiw1]

 Wooden Spoon, on 28 March 2025 - 06:29 PM, said:

It wasn’t ever about colour of skin for me, and May many others. it was about right and wrong. Well maybe a few it is (S+D maybe) but in general it isn’t and that exact line is used to stop dissent.


It’s the 21st century version of shouting “she’s a witch” and your all over it


But continue to shout racist at people who say, hang on this isn’t right very very quickly turns it into a skin colour issue - you can’t believe your being so pedantic in this to recognise the real problem here -!maybe yohve been in the boardroom too long and just don’t read the room anymore. (Not saying your an executive but you should be able to understand what I mean)

The whole rotten establishment needs tearing down and purging.


Police saying these girls made life style choices.


Labour MOs re tweeting “these girls should keep their mouths shut for the sake of diversity”



Never mind councils that had these child rapists embedded in their ranks being allowed to carry out local inquests so we don’t have an independent national one.


It’s a competition to see who can least racist being exploited.m by the establishment and media. Just look at the coverage of Rotherham. The darkest chapter in the last 80 years. Brushed under the carpet. And your right their front and centre ian


And yet supported by the establishment


Lawyers making millions off the back of the working man allowing rapists, drug dealers and criminals, to stay fully supported by Westminster and the judiciary l.


And you’ve fallen right into this trap because the whole system is now corrupted by this ideology instead of doing what is right by the working class people of this country


The working class people of this country rose from poverty and servitude starting with the Chartist movement and ended with the Labour Party - that same movement has now subjugated the working class to an extreme ideology where they are now no longer kings of their own castle but vilified and derided in favour of people who come here with no ties, no loyalty and no allegiance to this country.m


Internationalists ideology has financialy replaced the land ownership gentry

Well, that's a proper rant. But I do think there are people who don't want "foreigners" and don't care about legitimate asylum seekers. I think we shouldn't be afraid of calling them out and being clear we will take people who meet clear criteria, only.

I think I can read a room, I visit Derbyshire (very white, according to one of my friends who was half Irish, half Indian) but work where over 80% of my team are non white.