[plannerj]

If Newcastle beat Liverpool today, as seems likely now, very noteworthy that their last manager to do so in 1955 was later manager of the Spireites from 1958 to 1962. I remember him well!

This post has been edited by plannerj: 16 March 2025 - 06:20 PM

[frearsghost]

 plannerj, on 16 March 2025 - 06:20 PM, said:

If Newcastle beat Liverpool today, as seems likely now, very noteworthy that their last manager to do so in 1955 was later manager of the Spireites from 1958 to 1962. I remember him well!

Remembering former Aberdeen player Doug Livingstone who guided Belgium to the 1954 World Cup - Aberdeen Live

[Wooden Spoon]

Great performance by the Geordies


Just need Arsenal to put a run together now

[oldgoat]

Eddie Howe the first Englishman to win a major domestic trophy in this country since Harry Redknapp won the FA Cup with Portsmouth in 2008.

Howe was Redknapp’s first signing as Pompey manager. Strange and lovely symmetry.

From BBC sport reporter

[Painted Wagon]

 Wooden Spoon, on 16 March 2025 - 07:05 PM, said:

Great performance by the Geordies


Just need Arsenal to put a run together now

Fully deserved by Newcastle, so pleased for their supporters. We don’t need Arsenal to put a run together though.

[Toddhopper.]

 Wooden Spoon, on 16 March 2025 - 07:05 PM, said:

Great performance by the Geordies


Just need Arsenal to put a run together now

why would you prefer Arsenal to Liverpool? Very odd.

[Johnnyspireite7]

It’s be hilarious if it was Forest who put the run together and did for both the bin dippers and the goons.

[Wooden Spoon]

 Painted Wagon, on 16 March 2025 - 07:23 PM, said:

Fully deserved by Newcastle, so pleased for their supporters. We don’t need Arsenal to put a run together though.

If it means the bin dippers end up without a trophy……..

[Griggfromayard]

Didn't realise Liverpool were a rival of ours .

[calvin plummers socks]

 Toddhopper., on 16 March 2025 - 07:36 PM, said:

why would you prefer Arsenal to Liverpool? Very odd.

Because their fans didn’t put English football back about 10 years?

[Ernie Ernie Ernie]

 Griggfromayard, on 16 March 2025 - 10:01 PM, said:

Didn't realise Liverpool were a rival of ours .

Don’t have to be rivals not to like them. I’d personally love to see their league form nosedive for the rest of the season.

[Search & Destroy]

Great for Newcastle

[Dougspireite78]

Just shows that the league cup is still an important trophy. All the big 4 are more interested in the champions League so most couldn't care less about the Micky mouse trophy as it gets called even though a lot of them have won it recently. Try telling the Newcastle fans it's a pointless trophy, the scene from yesterday and overnight in Newcastle prove otherwise. A very good day for football all round

This post has been edited by Dougspireite78: 17 March 2025 - 09:08 AM

[whittman]

Liverpool fans boo the national anthem before yesterdays match at Wembley

but of course its never their fault for anything is it lol

[bluearmytwo]

Stuart Basson's biog on Duggie Livingstone from CFC History - now updated:

Dugald Livingstone was born in 1898 in Alexandria, a Glasgow suburb, where his dad was a cab driver. He came through Glasgow junior football and signed for Celtic after the Great War but was transferred to Everton in 1920. Five good years at Goodison Park saw him make 95 League appearances at full-back, before he was released to join Plymouth Argyle. After a couple of seasons there and one more at Aberdeen, he finished his playing career at Tranmere, retiring in 1932.

Duggie’s first steps on a post-playing career were taken as a trainer at Exeter City. He joined Sheffield United in 1936, working under Teddy Davison, the man he would later succeed at Chesterfield, and remained at The Lane until 1946, when he moved across the city to work with Wednesday.

In 1949 Duggie coached Sparta Rotterdam, in Holland, and became manager to the Irish national side in 1951. Two years later he was appointed manager of the Belgian national side, and took his side to the 1954 World Cup finals. He returned to England to manage Newcastle United in December 1954 and took a relegation-threatened side to 8th in Division One and an FA Cup final in his first season. If he hadn’t got them to Wembley, he might have been alright. As it was, Livingstone presented his team sheet to his board before the big game: their response was to screw it into a ball and throw it in the nearest bin. Absent, you see, was the name “Milburn, J.” Livingstone had fallen out with him over the introduction of modern tactics and a squad rotation system.

The board picked the team for the final, reinstating the club hero; afterwards, Livingstone was shifted out of the manager’s office, forced to change for work in the referee’ room and told to work with the juniors. Were the board right? Milburn scored within 45 seconds of the kick off and won the Cup, but the Mags, unable to shake off their addiction to the idea of a big centre-forward and traditional wingers, did not win a major domestic honour until seventy years later. Livingstone stuck this humiliation for another six months or so before resigning.

Duggie became Fulham’s manager in January 1956 and laid the ground for much of their success in the late 50s and early 60s. His home was in Sheffield, though, and his wife was unable to settle down south, so he declined their offer of a contract extension and accepted the three-year contract laid on the table by Chesterfield in the summer of 1958.

Livingstone’s unflappable, happy-go-lucky approach to life was sorely tested in his time at Chesterfield. As at Newcastle, some of his methods were questioned here, too – players were not used to having training sessions supervised by a manager at the back of the main stand, booming instructions through a megaphone – and he was forced to defend unpopular decisions like the sale of Gordon Banks. He undertook a huge cull of the playing staff in 1960 but was unable to bring much quality in by way of replacement, and this was a direct cause of relegation to Division Four in 1961.
In February 1962 Livingstone proclaimed that leaving Fulham had been “…the biggest mistake of my life,” and announced that he would leave Saltergate when his contract expired the following May. The football-going public of Chesterfield did not seem overly offended by that statement, perhaps sensing correctly that the rot lay deeper and beyond the manager’s reach. A success as manager at every club that let him manage, Duggie saw his Spireite side slip from a comfortable Third Division berth to their lowest League place on record when he left for the last time.

Of course, the club was on a downward spiral long before he came, and he couldn’t arrest the decline while the financial situation continued to worsen. He didn’t actually make things worse, but the sort of player that the club could afford to recruit perhaps required a simpler style of management than that offered by Livingstone. He appears not to have worked in football again after leaving The Spireites.

This post has been edited by bluearmytwo: 17 March 2025 - 09:48 AM

[DerbySpireite59]

Toddhopper., on 16 March 2025 - 07:36 PM, said:

why would you prefer Arsenal to Liverpool? Very odd.

Why would you prefer Liverpool to Arsenal? Very odd.

[Westbars Spireite]

Toddhopper., on 16 March 2025 - 07:36 PM, said:

why would you prefer Arsenal to Liverpool? Very odd.

I would.

[Misnomer]

calvin plummers socks, on 16 March 2025 - 11:19 PM, said:

Because their fans didn’t put English football back about 10 years?

No, they didn't.

[warfey is a spireite]

Sinnie will be pleased, anyone who knows him

[BurySpireite]

Slightly off topic but this win did make me ponder something that other forum members might have had to deal with-

As a Spireite living in Newcastle for 5 years now (a Spireite by parentage only might I add, having never lived in Chesterfield) I'd never considered anything other than having any future children be raised supporting tahn... however, it would feel a little cruel to deprive them of the social side of watching a local team (not to mention a local team who are actually successful!!!)

What are people's thoughts on supporting a premier league side AND a lower league side? Personally the thought of supporting two teams doesn't sit right at all but I'd hate for any future BurySpireite spawn to be resentful of the camaraderie with local kids (thankfully as a child I was proud of being a Spireite and telling all my Man U supporting friends that they were glory supporters and should support Bury instead).