[Mr Mercury]

Do you think the public still overwhelmingly back supporting Ukraine, or do you think a lot of people are staring to get quite anxious over Starmers apparent war mongering talk and the huge financial cost?
Serious question btw.

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[Mr Mercury]

And while you think Farage is digging his own grave at least it would be his own. Starmers rhetoric that he?s prepared to put UK boots on the ground and planes in the air to defend Ukraine is possibly digging the graves of thousands of others.

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[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 02:21 PM, said:

Do you think the public still overwhelmingly back supporting Ukraine, or do you think a lot of people are staring to get quite anxious over Starmers apparent war mongering talk and the huge financial cost?
Serious question btw.

This is the latest opinion poll: https://www.ipsos.co...ine-three-years

I'm sure some will be anxious but this is a just and correct cause. In terms of Starmer digging the graves of British troops... 1) if it was Boris suggesting this, you'd be offering your full-throated support and 2) they'd be there for peacekeeping, if it escalated then yes, obviously lives would be put at risk but I mean... you kind of know that you may be putting your life on the line when you sign up to the military, no? I mean we could go into the debate about primarily young working class men being recruited and them not really having experience of the world to know whether they should really be joining or not but I'd say that's for another thread.

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[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 03 March 2025 - 03:50 PM, said:

This is the latest opinion poll: https://www.ipsos.co...ine-three-years

I'm sure some will be anxious but this is a just and correct cause. In terms of Starmer digging the graves of British troops... 1) if it was Boris suggesting this, you'd be offering your full-throated support and 2) they'd be there for peacekeeping, if it escalated then yes, obviously lives would be put at risk but I mean... you kind of know that you may be putting your life on the line when you sign up to the military, no?

Did Starmer say defend Ukraine?
Regarding Boris that?s purely hypothetical mate, I?ve no idea if I would.
Just read the link and I thought it would be higher than the 53% quoted as still supporting out involvement in supplying financial and military aid, so it?s a slim majority. And rather interestingly the survey was taken a week ago before the speeches and events of he last few days.

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[isleaiw1]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 02:21 PM, said:

Do you think the public still overwhelmingly back supporting Ukraine, or do you think a lot of people are staring to get quite anxious over Starmers apparent war mongering talk and the huge financial cost?
Serious question btw.

I think the vast majority support standing up to Putin, yes. And most would support increased defence spending and peeing less up the wall on the latest initiative for some random minority that no one really gets...

[Mr Mercury]

isleaiw1, on 03 March 2025 - 04:02 PM, said:

I think the vast majority support standing up to Putin, yes. And most would support increased defence spending and peeing less up the wall on the latest initiative for some random minority that no one really gets...

The poll Goku referenced suggests it?s only 53% do. Although supporting standing up to Putin could be referenced differently to actual continued financial and military aid.

[Goku]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 04:18 PM, said:

The poll Goku referenced suggests it?s only 53% do. Although supporting standing up to Putin could be referenced differently to actual continued financial and military aid.

It's a very small sample size to be fair:

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Ipsos interviewed a representative sample of 1,097 adults aged 16-75 across Great Britain. Interviews were conducted online between 3rd-5th February 2025.

[Mr Mercury]

Goku, on 03 March 2025 - 04:19 PM, said:

It's a very small sample size to be fair:

But you did say the public still overwhelmingly support providing continued support for Ukraine and that poll would suggest that it?s little more than 50/50 in terms of finance and weapons.

[Johnnyspireite7]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 04:18 PM, said:

The poll Goku referenced suggests it?s only 53% do. Although supporting standing up to Putin could be referenced differently to actual continued financial and military aid.

Only 52% voted for Brexit and most people are regretting that now!

[isleaiw1]

Johnnyspireite7, on 03 March 2025 - 06:02 PM, said:

Only 52% voted for Brexit and most people are regretting that now!

Are they? Where are your stats to support that? I didn't but that is the sort of rash comment that you really need to support.

I imagine if the vote was held again next month, the result would be equally tight...

[Middle East]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 02:21 PM, said:

Do you think the public still overwhelmingly back supporting Ukraine, or do you think a lot of people are staring to get quite anxious over Starmers apparent war mongering talk and the huge financial cost?
Serious question btw.

You really need to stop the afternoon drinking mate.....that is not a serious question by any standards!

[Mr Mercury]

Middle East, on 03 March 2025 - 06:19 PM, said:

You really need to stop the afternoon drinking mate.....that is not a serious question by any standards!

Never touch a drop in the day unless on holiday or at a game.
But if you look at Gokus poll it would suggest that support is by far from overwhelming, certainly in terms of financial and military aid.

[Mr Mercury]

Johnnyspireite7, on 03 March 2025 - 06:02 PM, said:

Only 52% voted for Brexit and most people are regretting that now!

The percentage for that is irrelevant, it was a first past the post ballot. BTW I don?t regret voting for Brexit.
Anyhow I digress, goku said the public still overwhelmingly support our financial and military aid to Ukraine, I questioned that, goku then provided a link to a poll that suggested only 53% backed it, I said, quite rightly I thought, that that was hardly overwhelming support.

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[Goku]

I?d not seen the poll before stating the British public overwhelmingly back Ukraine, I only meant that in my opinion they did, then I found the poll. I think you could say any figure >50% could be classed as overwhelming but appreciate its semantics. And I hadn?t performed my usual forensic research before posting it, hence stating it was only about 1k people?s opinions afterwards 👀

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[Middle East]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 06:32 PM, said:

Never touch a drop in the day unless on holiday or at a game.
But if you look at Gokus poll it would suggest that support is by far from overwhelming, certainly in terms of financial and military aid.

If the vast majority of people of this country don't support the Ukraine then they must be mad! Because once that's under Putins control the rest of Europe is fair game...

....and that has F all to do with SKS popularity!!!

We all know,you hate him, but even his political opponents including Farage grudgingly accepted he has done a good job over the last few days, whilst dealing with a totally volatile president. Sometimes you have to accept what you don't like!

[The Earl of Chesterfield]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 02:21 PM, said:

Do you think the public still overwhelmingly back supporting Ukraine, or do you think a lot of people are staring to get quite anxious over Starmers apparent war mongering talk and the huge financial cost?
Serious question btw.

The "war monger" is Putin, Mark.

Putin.

The murderous war crime committing tyrant actually rewarding his troops for atrocities.

The same despot whose spokesperson now declares Russian and US foreign policy 'align': https://www.independ...g-b2708070.html

Alongside developments such as this: https://www.bbc.co.u...es/c2er34w0jgdo

That's where your Trump "wait and see" has brought you to.

And is your party now opposed to raising defence spending? The "huge financial cost" involved?

Because your leader continues to level far more scorn at the heroic Zelenskyy than the Putin he's so publicly praised: https://www.huffingt...kukhpmg00000008

The democratically elected Ukrainian president wears military fatigues to demonstrate solidarity with his beleaguered forces - what was Musk's excuse for wearing a t-shirt in the Oval Office?

Today saw the House of Commons almost entirely united behind Zelenskyy, his magnificent Ukrainian people and the Prime Minister.

The fact Reform placed loyalty to a Putin trusting Trump before that unity won't be lost on the electorate...

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 March 2025 - 07:03 PM, said:

The "war monger" is Putin, Mark.

Putin.

The murderous war crime committing tyrant actually rewarding his troops for atrocities.

The same despot whose spokesperson now declares Russian and US foreign policy 'align': https://www.independ...g-b2708070.html

Alongside developments such as this: https://www.bbc.co.u...es/c2er34w0jgdo

That's where your Trump "wait and see" has brought you to.

And is your party now opposed to raising defence spending? The "huge financial cost" involved?

Because your leader continues to level far more scorn at the heroic Zelenskyy than the Putin he's so publicly praised: https://www.huffingt...kukhpmg00000008

The democratically elected Ukrainian president wears military fatigues to demonstrate solidarity with his beleaguered forces - what was Musk's excuse for wearing a t-shirt in the Oval Office?

Today saw the House of Commons almost entirely united behind Zelenskyy, his magnificent Ukrainian people and the Prime Minister.

The fact Reform placed loyalty to a Putin trusting Trump before that unity won't be lost on the electorate...

I asked a simple question of goku if he really thought the British people overwhelmingly supported continued financial and military aid support for Ukraine, the poll he provided a link to showed that there doesn?t seem to be overwhelming support. Nothing more nothing less!
Oh and I doubt the electorate will be too concerned with this come elections, they’ll be far more bothered about mass immigration, spiralling energy bills, falling living standards and rising unemployment. You know those things that Starmer and his government can’t address. No wonder he’s milking this for all his worth.

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[Misnomer]

Goku, on 03 March 2025 - 03:50 PM, said:

This is the latest opinion poll: https://www.ipsos.co...ine-three-years

I'm sure some will be anxious but this is a just and correct cause. In terms of Starmer digging the graves of British troops... 1) if it was Boris suggesting this, you'd be offering your full-throated support and 2) they'd be there for peacekeeping, if it escalated then yes, obviously lives would be put at risk but I mean... you kind of know that you may be putting your life on the line when you sign up to the military, no? I mean we could go into the debate about primarily young working class men being recruited and them not really having experience of the world to know whether they should really be joining or not but I'd say that's for another thread.

The irony of Starmer sending young, working class, white men (probably with right of centre political views), into the meat grinder, certainly isn't lost on me; in fact, it disgusts me....

[isleaiw1]

Mr Mercury, on 03 March 2025 - 07:15 PM, said:

I asked a simple question of goku if he really thought the British people overwhelmingly supported continued financial and military aid support for Ukraine, the poll he provided a link to showed that there doesn?t seem to be overwhelming support. Nothing more nothing less!
Oh and I doubt the electorate will be too concerned with this come elections, they?ll be far more bothered about mass immigration, spiralling energy bills, falling living standards and rising unemployment. You know those things that Starmer and his government can?t address. No wonder he?s milking this for all his worth.

The reality is the cost of supporting Ukraine is peanuts compared to say the pay rises given to public sector workers of the ?50bn a year the tax payer puts into final salary pension schemes for public sector workers (allowing for employer contributions and the funding shortfall between contributions and amounts paid to pensioners)... wonder if the public overwhelmingly support those things, maybe we could get a poll on that?

[Mr Mercury]

The Earl of Chesterfield, on 03 March 2025 - 07:03 PM, said:

The fact Reform placed loyalty to a Putin trusting Trump before that unity won't be lost on the electorate.

Published 2nd of March,.

�� POLL | Ukraine crisis sees Reform surge to 1st place

�� REF 27% (+5)
�� LAB 24% (-5)
�� CON 23% (-5)
�� LD 15% (+6)
�� GRN 7% (-)

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