[HaslandBlue58]

[quote name='clarevoyant.' timestamp='1740909139' post='1878089']
Could it be possible that Donaciens injury was a result of him NOT being made of chocolate but him challenging, winning the ball and sustaining knocks when being sold hopelessly short by a colleague and these knocks getting worse as the game went on.



That would be a lot for Warfey to take in.Thought he (JD not Warfey) looked good for the time he was on.

[h again]

clarevoyant., on 02 March 2025 - 09:52 AM, said:

Could it be possible that Donaciens injury was a result of him NOT being made of chocolate but him challenging, winning the ball and sustaining knocks when being sold hopelessly short by a colleague and these knocks getting worse as the game went on.



Can anyone explain the back pass law?

As I(and the Ref) understand it, you can pass back to the goalkeeper so long as he picks the ball up and holds it for AT LEAST 10 seconds. Twenty seconds is even better, especially if you then release it from a foot outside the goal area.

[HaslandBlue58]

Osborne again, on 02 March 2025 - 11:15 AM, said:

Donacien was sold short a few times and got clogged in the process. I winced a couple of times when the studs were on show.
I think the officials need to learn the rules they're supposed to uphold, to be honest. Back pass picked up by their goalie straight in front of the referee, offside after offside missed, but accurate to the inch when it was us, Pepple dragged around like a rag doll, but when Pepple tried the same, the whistle blew.
It's bad enough performing as we did, but playing the officials as well as the opposition, isn't right.

Agreed.Also keeper time wasting from minute one again,ref. pointed at keeper then his watch on minute 88, unbelievable.
Sure I have recently read of a new rule to be brought in to stop keepers time wasting,can only have ball for EIGHT seconds, I thought there was already a rule of SIX seconds?Which never seems to be enforced,not a mathematician but how will 8 seconds save time over 6 seconds?
Would ITK people explain for me.

[azul]

60s 70s Spireite, on 02 March 2025 - 11:19 AM, said:

Fact is, it?s always been Cooks tactic to sub wingers on about 70 minutes with another winger. We could do with both of them firing on all cylinders. Colclough is at his best when he has a full back acting as his forward support- hopefully Sparkes can bring the best out of him.

Love to see Colclough back in the side on the left even if he?s spluttering a bit. From Duffy?s cameo yesterday and other times when Cook has swapped over wingers he is comfortable on the right.

Sounds like he didn?t feature today because he was ill

[clarevoyant.]

HaslandBlue58, on 02 March 2025 - 12:10 PM, said:

Agreed.Also keeper time wasting from minute one again,ref. pointed at keeper then his watch on minute 88, unbelievable.
Sure I have recently read of a new rule to be brought in to stop keepers time wasting,can only have ball for EIGHT seconds, I thought there was already a rule of SIX seconds?Which never seems to be enforced,not a mathematician but how will 8 seconds save time over 6 seconds?
Would ITK people explain for me.

It's ironic when you consider Thompson was booked after 20/30 minutes at Walsall and yesterday's keeper must have wasted 15+ minutes and nowt was said, consistency eh. Could we expect owt better from a bloke who contrived to get the Jeff King notch in his note book (seemed trendy at the time) when cautioning for kicking a advertising board and then 2nd yellowing for not kicking a notts player. Was I amazed when he only booked PC and not Sparkes (already ridiculously booked) who was also having an aggressive go at the lino.

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[stainlessstephen]

Misnomer, on 02 March 2025 - 08:56 AM, said:

Apart from your second paragraph, which is gross 🤢 I agree. However, folk have a right to express their opinion, even if it's wrong or you don't agree with them; insulting and abusing them (not saying you are, our Josh); especially, over football, doesn't sit right with me. Cook is a nice bloke and a good manager, and he loves Town....but, he does make some decisions that afford some scrutiny.

Anyway, Stockport required two bites of the cherry to go up, and Notts finished 14th in their first season back in league two; they're doing ok this year, but they aren't consistent. We don't have a right to be in the top 7, but I'd expect us to be in the mix. But, when you start with (there could have been a good reason for this) Oldaker and Metcalfe as your central pairing, you know you are in trouble before you kick a ball.

Madden is invisible and I've no idea what he's bringing to the table. Sparkes is excellent and I'd love him on a permanent deal. Yesterday, he pretty much ran the whole of the left side by himself. As already pointed out, he's the man making the runs and putting the ball in the mix; ideal for Grigg.

Grimes was at fault for two of their goals. Our priority has to be two CBs; I'm sure we're already looking at options.

People talk about Madden, yes he has been disappointing and had his injury issues, but simply our style of play doesn't suit his.

It would be the law of sod if he went at the end of the season, signed for someone else and scored a shedload.

Remember Darren Roberts?

This post has been edited by stainlessstephen: 02 March 2025 - 12:37 PM

[paulwardle]

Yesterdays game exposed again how week our central midfield is especially in first half.

They didn?t show for the ball continued to pass sideways when they got the ball and defended abjectly. Looked better when we brought on Fleck who passed the ball quicker and accurately to help set up attacks. Duffy was also more effective but we lacked attacks down the right compared to Sparks on the left. Finally, what does madden bring to this team? Poor first touch, slow and basically not at the races.

[h again]

Personally I thought it was a decent attacking team selection. The trouble is that the two central defenders would have been fourth and fifth choices at the start of the season, and that's without including Naylor as a CD. So injuries did for us again, and the attacking threat never materialised.
Apart from the very dodgy centre of defence, Cook's game depended on quick inter-passing - we still do the passing but the quick has gone. Far too much slowing it down and waiting until everybody is marked. I know it's been a feature all season, but now teams are even more clued up at catching us in possession.
When did we last see Oldaker make a darting run forward with the ball? Give the opposition something to have to think quickly about, not pass sideways ad infinitum while the opposition take a breather.
Just a matter of seeing the season out now I suppose, but I'll still pay good money to watch Fleck in action. If he can stay fit a team can be built round him and one other next season.

[h again]

stainlessstephen, on 02 March 2025 - 12:31 PM, said:

People talk about Madden, yes he has been disappointing and had his injury issues, but simply our style of play doesn't suit his.

Madden will get and make goals in any attacking side. At his best in crowded situations, but we never seem to crowd the penalty area. He had some lovely touches yesterday, but was generally ineffective.He'll come good.

[stainlessstephen]

I think we should stay with him, definitely a player there.

[dtp]

h again, on 02 March 2025 - 12:08 PM, said:

As I(and the Ref) understand it, you can pass back to the goalkeeper so long as he picks the ball up and holds it for AT LEAST 10 seconds. Twenty seconds is even better, especially if you then release it from a foot outside the goal area.

But, the problem is more about the rules last week compared to the rules this week compared to the rules next week. The total lack of consistency in applying the most basic of the rules is jaw dropping.

In the simplest of terms, I do not understand why we have a linesman who struggles to determine which team to award a throw-in to until the ref gives him the nod. Similarly, I expect a linesman to at least keep in line with the last man.

The passing back rule was clearly changed solely for the match yesterday. Shirt pulling is no longer a foul. A keeper holding the ball for half a minute does not exceed 6 seconds. Is there any wonder fans get frustrated?

However, that said, the officials were not the reason we lost yesterday. Tactics, team selection, hesitancy in making substitutions, a total lack of attacking penetration, and a number of players clumsily giving up possession of the ball when they should have had it under control were the major contributors.

[clarevoyant.]

dtp, on 02 March 2025 - 12:56 PM, said:

But, the problem is more about the rules last week compared to the rules this week compared to the rules next week. The total lack of consistency in applying the most basic of the rules is jaw dropping.

In the simplest of terms, I do not understand why we have a linesman who struggles to determine which team to award a throw-in to until the ref gives him the nod. Similarly, I expect a linesman to at least keep in line with the last man.

The passing back rule was clearly changed solely for the match yesterday. Shirt pulling is no longer a foul. A keeper holding the ball for half a minute does not exceed 6 seconds. Is there any wonder fans get frustrated?

However, that said, the officials were not the reason we lost yesterday. Tactics, team selection, hesitancy in making substitutions, a total lack of attacking penetration, and a number of players clumsily giving up possession of the ball when they should have had it under control were the major contributors.

Do you think the lack of consistency and general crapness can be blamed on VAR.

In games covered by VAR they have 4 on pitch officials plus 2or 3 video officals per game. If these video officials weren't stuck behind a monitor they could be officiating in the championship and the ones officiating in the championship could be in league 1 or 2. Which you could argue NL refs are getting promoted to the FL to early to cover the vacancies created by VAR or more likely when they aren't ready for promotion like that clown at Harrogate.

[Middle East]

frearsghost, on 02 March 2025 - 11:40 AM, said:

Colclough has always been an enigma to me. A player who can get round a defender and can get you off your seat in anticipation but regularly let down by his final ball. Too many shots hitting the outside netting and easily saved daisy cutters. Surely the coaching staff should have picked up on this and worked to impove his final ball. He could be a significant league player with the right help but I don't see any evidence of coaching to improve his game.

I like most have always rated Colclough, he's get bums off seats, but as you say not enough quality crosses and too many shots either dragged into the side netting or not powerful enough. If he had that in his locker he would have probably played at a higher level.

Given his age and impending court case I just don't think they will take a punt and give him another year....but who knows!

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[Osborne again]

clarevoyant., on 02 March 2025 - 11:34 AM, said:

Regarding the offside which came just at the right time for them as they were facing perfecting 7 mins of time wasting, I've no idea whether it was off or not, but basing it on body language alone it would suggest it was. I've not seen Mandeville so animated since the complete capitulation by the ref v Oldham.

I can understand why Liam Mandeville got slightly peeved, shall we say. Their player was a good two yards offside while the West stand lino may as well had been munching on a Tunnock's caramel wafer, whilst sipping on a cup of PG, at least ten yards back from play. I'm pretty sure those in the North stand would have seen it as offside.
It seems to be a regular occurrence that the West stand lino flags like crazy when we kick towards the kop, but miss everything when the opposition do so, although, if they see an infringement by one of ours, they wave their flag like a five year old at a coronation. No wonder Cook was losing it.

[Middle East]

azul, on 02 March 2025 - 12:14 PM, said:

Love to see Colclough back in the side on the left even if he?s spluttering a bit. From Duffy?s cameo yesterday and other times when Cook has swapped over wingers he is comfortable on the right.

Sounds like he didn?t feature today because he was ill

I'm not a fan of switching wingers who are either naturally left of right footed. It's OK for 10 or 15 minutes here and there as a tactic, but not for 45 or 90 minutes. Personally I think both Coco and Duffy operate better down the left and I don't think Cook keep swapping wings helps our style of play.

Round pegs in round holes every time for me....providing injuries allow the luxury of that selection of course!

[clarevoyant.]

Osborne again, on 02 March 2025 - 01:50 PM, said:

I can understand why Liam Mandeville got slightly peeved, shall we say. Their player was a good two yards offside while the West stand lino may as well had been munching on a Tunnock's caramel wafer, whilst sipping on a cup of PG, at least ten yards back from play. I'm pretty sure those in the North stand would have seen it as offside.
It seems to be a regular occurrence that the West stand lino flags like crazy when we kick towards the kop, but miss everything when the opposition do so, although, if they see an infringement by one of ours, they wave their flag like a five year old at a coronation. No wonder Cook was losing it.

We've got to learn to play the ref better, Mandeville being a culprit. 1st half Maddon got booked (rightly) but their player looked as though an amputation was required until the yellow get well quick card arrived. 2nd half Mandeville was subject to a similar challenge, he jumps straight up result free kick, ref doesn't bother cautioning, their player not walking a tight rope.

When in Rome etc etc

[sophocles]

Osborne again, on 02 March 2025 - 01:50 PM, said:

I can understand why Liam Mandeville got slightly peeved, shall we say. Their player was a good two yards offside while the West stand lino may as well had been munching on a Tunnock's caramel wafer, whilst sipping on a cup of PG, at least ten yards back from play. I'm pretty sure those in the North stand would have seen it as offside.
It seems to be a regular occurrence that the West stand lino flags like crazy when we kick towards the kop, but miss everything when the opposition do so, although, if they see an infringement by one of ours, they wave their flag like a five year old at a coronation. No wonder Cook was losing it.

Although close offsides are difficult to judge from behind the goal, their third goal looked at least a yard offside from the kop. The fans in the West stand level with play were also convinced it was offside, while the lino just looked completely blank as if he hadn't seen anything. It was possibly a crucial non-decision, as we'd been getting on top and a whole nine minutes of extra time had been announced. Overall, we'd have been fortunate to get a draw, but it was on the cards until their third was given.

This post has been edited by sophocles: 02 March 2025 - 03:11 PM

[HaslandBlue58]

clarevoyant., on 02 March 2025 - 01:16 PM, said:

Do you think the lack of consistency and general crapness can be blamed on VAR.

In games covered by VAR they have 4 on pitch officials plus 2or 3 video officals per game. If these video officials weren't stuck behind a monitor they could be officiating in the championship and the ones officiating in the championship could be in league 1 or 2. Which you could argue NL refs are getting promoted to the FL to early to cover the vacancies created by VAR or more likely when they aren't ready for promotion like that clown at Harrogate.

You raise very valid points there,all I would add is that with 6/7 officials they still make such absurd decisions with no nod to common sense.Like a lot of fans,all I want to see is the rule book followed and consistency,two factors which the officials seem to find so difficult to do.

[Osborne again]

clarevoyant., on 02 March 2025 - 02:02 PM, said:

We've got to learn to play the ref better, Mandeville being a culprit. 1st half Maddon got booked (rightly) but their player looked as though an amputation was required until the yellow get well quick card arrived. 2nd half Mandeville was subject to a similar challenge, he jumps straight up result free kick, ref doesn't bother cautioning, their player not walking a tight rope.

When in Rome etc etc

It would be great if it worked that way. Dobra, Colclough, Grigg amongst others very rarely get protection, and all three of them know how to play the ref. When the referee doesn't protect both teams, you get Kabby style injuries.

[HaslandBlue58]

Osborne again, on 02 March 2025 - 01:50 PM, said:

I can understand why Liam Mandeville got slightly peeved, shall we say. Their player was a good two yards offside while the West stand lino may as well had been munching on a Tunnock's caramel wafer, whilst sipping on a cup of PG, at least ten yards back from play. I'm pretty sure those in the North stand would have seen it as offside.
It seems to be a regular occurrence that the West stand lino flags like crazy when we kick towards the kop, but miss everything when the opposition do so, although, if they see an infringement by one of ours, they wave their flag like a five year old at a coronation. No wonder Cook was losing it.

I have a standing comment at home games,'will this be the game where we have a competent lino on the west line?',the actual answer has been a yes on roughly four occasions in eight seasons.Not very good figures.
Your second line may seem in conspiracy theory territory,but it is something I do keep an eye on each game and you have described it pretty well.Obviously this is all about opinions,but I will not change mine until the officials follow the rules and be consistant.The two handed push in to the hoardings is always invisible to them even from a foot away.